2019 Federal Election Thread

 
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Bill alienated what could have been core supporters in Queensland by losing sight of why the labour movement supports the ALP, ....jobs.
Makes me wonder - did Malcolm take his mate Jobson Growth with him?
Valvegear
The cynic in me says the LNP won't do anything about 'jobz 'n growf' in Queensland anyway.

Unemployment, particularly youth unemployment, is really pretty high in regional QLD - in Townsville and Rockhampton the rate gets towards ten percent. It's a national disgrace really, no wonder Queenslanders are angry at Canberra and particularly angry at the Greens for telling them they were wrong for wanting a jobs-generating coal mine. People living those cities and towns don't want to see their kids on drugs or suicidal because they have no job - in that respect Adani represented hope that something would come along to employ those people.

But the reality is the LNP don't care and will ignore them. And if you're unemployed then it's probably your fault anyway...

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  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Green's were and remain off centre, too leftist
ANR
'too far left' nah need to be pushed further left
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Couldn't be bothered trawling back to find the "Trump" thread - did anyone see his surprise imposition of tariffs against Mexico? Say what you like about Trump, he's delivering on his promise to retaliate against countries that don't cooperate with his program. It'll be interesting to see what happens next.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Say what you like about Trump, he's delivering on his promise to retaliate against countries that don't cooperate with his program. It'll be interesting to see what happens next.
"don_dunstan"
All stemming from the unshakeable belief held by most Americans that the US of A can do no wrong. A classic example at a tour of the UN building some years ago . . . the guide showed us the General Assembly Room and explained that every country has one vote. A local, very loudly insisted that the US should get more than one vote because it's the world's greatest country. I couldn't help laughing out loud and he got very aggressive.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Couldn't be bothered trawling back to find the "Trump" thread - did anyone see his surprise imposition of tariffs against Mexico? Say what you like about Trump, he's delivering on his promise to retaliate against countries that don't cooperate with his program. It'll be interesting to see what happens next.
don_dunstan
Well if it's anything like the steel tariffs to Canada and Mexico that he's quietly backing down from...
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Couldn't be bothered trawling back to find the "Trump" thread - did anyone see his surprise imposition of tariffs against Mexico? Say what you like about Trump, he's delivering on his promise to retaliate against countries that don't cooperate with his program. It'll be interesting to see what happens next.
Well if it's anything like the steel tariffs to Canada and Mexico that he's quietly backing down from...
speedemon08
June 10, a flat 5% against all Mexican things imported into the United States. I find it really incredible that a United States President decided to tear up NAFTA just like that, this must be sending a shiver across the world as the globalists realise that the era of so-called "free-trade" is finally over. Never thought I would ever see that in my lifetime to be honest, I thought the globalisation movement would go on forever because it had been predestined for us by the Illuminati or the Society of the Skull and Crossbones - or whoever! Globalisation seemed inevitable, now factional multi-polar trading blocs are going to be a reality.

Where exactly it leaves Oztralia as a nation is anyone's guess.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Where exactly it leaves Oztralia as a nation is anyone's guess.
"don_dunstan"
No, no Don; you left an "L" in it. It's "Oztraya".
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Couldn't be bothered trawling back to find the "Trump" thread - did anyone see his surprise imposition of tariffs against Mexico? Say what you like about Trump, he's delivering on his promise to retaliate against countries that don't cooperate with his program. It'll be interesting to see what happens next.
Well if it's anything like the steel tariffs to Canada and Mexico that he's quietly backing down from...
speedemon08
and aluminiuim. Interesting to note aluminium is imported into Mexico and then exported to the USA to avoid tariffs, Mexico doesn't have any primary aluminium production.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Couldn't be bothered trawling back to find the "Trump" thread - did anyone see his surprise imposition of tariffs against Mexico? Say what you like about Trump, he's delivering on his promise to retaliate against countries that don't cooperate with his program. It'll be interesting to see what happens next.
Well if it's anything like the steel tariffs to Canada and Mexico that he's quietly backing down from...
and aluminiuim. Interesting to note aluminium is imported into Mexico and then exported to the USA to avoid tariffs, Mexico doesn't have any primary aluminium production.
RTT_Rules
That sounds like some of the food on our supermarket shelves these days.  Grow it in Australia, send it to China for processing/packaging, and import back.

Sometimes "economies of scale" and globalization can be very wasteful and environmentally destructive.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

That sounds like some of the food on our supermarket shelves these days.  Grow it in Australia, send it to China for processing/packaging, and import back.
Carnot
Be very careful when you buy anything labelled as coming from New Zealand, as there's a strong chance it was actually grown and processed in China.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

That sounds like some of the food on our supermarket shelves these days.  Grow it in Australia, send it to China for processing/packaging, and import back.
Be very careful when you buy anything labelled as coming from New Zealand, as there's a strong chance it was actually grown and processed in China.
justapassenger
It's always fun watching what happens in Jacindaland.  I know they banned Huawei from their 5G network last year, but they also have Chinese insiders pulling strings in their Government:

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/australasia/article/2176618/new-zealand-professor-who-wrote-about-chinas-foreign-influence
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Another biting tweet from Mark Latham regarding Keneally:
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Does anybody really care what Mark Latham says?
  7334 Chief Commissioner

Location: In the workshop wondering why I started 7334 in the first place
Does anybody really care what Mark Latham says?
Valvegear
Mark Latham himself maybe?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Labor claims another seat meaning Morrison will hold government by a 1 seat majority.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

The same margin Turnbull achieved in the 2016 election.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

The same margin Turnbull achieved in the 2016 election.
kitchgp
GetUp! got amazing value for money.... NOT!
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
The same margin Turnbull achieved in the 2016 election.
kitchgp
Although the LNP gains 6 seats and ALP 1 and IND 1

How does that work?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The same margin Turnbull achieved in the 2016 election.
Although the LNP gains 6 seats and ALP 1 and IND 1

How does that work?
RTT_Rules
Whoever made that claim is confused and is mixing different statistics together.

The Coalition has won six seats which they did not hold before the election (Braddon, Chisholm, Herbert, Lindsay, Longman, Wentworth).

However, two of those seats were Coalition seats after the 2016 election which went independent in a by-election (Wentworth) or when the MP resigned from the party (Julia Banks in Chisholm). So that brings the gain down to four, compared to the 2016 election.

The Coalition also lost four seats - one just a normal marginal seat lost (Gilmore), two lost to redistribution (the Victorian seats of Corangamite and Dunkley) and of course one ars€-kicking (Warringah). So that takes the gain down to zero.

The Liberal candidate is leading in Bass which is still within 0.5%, so if they win that they will get 77 seats in total, a gain of one (not six) from the 76 seats won in the previous federal election.


Labor has won three seats (Gilmore, Corangamite, Dunkley), lost four seats (Braddon, Herbert, Lindsay, Longman) and won the newly created Victorian seat of Fraser (whoever proposed a new nominally safe Labor seat be named after Malcolm Fraser has a good sense of humour). If they lose Bass, this will leave them with 68 seats, a loss of one (not a gain of one) from the 69 seats won in the previous federal election.

Independents had a gain of one compared to the 2016 election - Zali Steggall winning Warringah from Tony Abbott.
Other seats which were held by independents from the 2016 election stayed that way: Andrew Wilkie (Clark, renamed from Denison) was returned with a positive swing, while the seat of Indi was won by Helen Haines after the retirement of Cathy McGowan - a historic result as this was the first time an independent had been succeeded in the same federal seat by another independent.

Greens, Katter and Centre Alliance each held the one seat they had before, and each with a positive swing.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Does anybody really care what Mark Latham says?
Valvegear
He made a very good inaugural speech here.

I agree with him about the unravelling of the Enlightenment - and I also agree with him that we need more coal or nuclear fired power plants or we risk sliding into the dark ages.
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
The cynic in me says the LNP won't do anything about 'jobz 'n growf' in Queensland anyway.

Unemployment, particularly youth unemployment, is really pretty high in regional QLD - in Townsville and Rockhampton the rate gets towards ten percent. It's a national disgrace really, no wonder Queenslanders are angry at Canberra and particularly angry at the Greens for telling them they were wrong for wanting a jobs-generating coal mine. People living those cities and towns don't want to see their kids on drugs or suicidal because they have no job - in that respect Adani represented hope that something would come along to employ those people.

But the reality is the LNP don't care and will ignore them. And if you're unemployed then it's probably your fault anyway...
don_dunstan
The unfortunate reality of the Adani mine is that if it does proceed, there will be a short term jobs bonanza but once operational a very different story. The whole site will be automated and one report I saw stated there would only be 100 direct jobs. Of course there will be indirect employment for suppliers, contractors and train crews to the port. That fact doesn't seem to be appreciated in the area.  And the environmental consequences appear subservient to the electoral reality as demonstrated at the election.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

The cynic in me says the LNP won't do anything about 'jobz 'n growf' in Queensland anyway.

Unemployment, particularly youth unemployment, is really pretty high in regional QLD - in Townsville and Rockhampton the rate gets towards ten percent. It's a national disgrace really, no wonder Queenslanders are angry at Canberra and particularly angry at the Greens for telling them they were wrong for wanting a jobs-generating coal mine. People living those cities and towns don't want to see their kids on drugs or suicidal because they have no job - in that respect Adani represented hope that something would come along to employ those people.

But the reality is the LNP don't care and will ignore them. And if you're unemployed then it's probably your fault anyway...
The unfortunate reality of the Adani mine is that if it does proceed, there will be a short term jobs bonanza but once operational a very different story. The whole site will be automated and one report I saw stated there would only be 100 direct jobs. Of course there will be indirect employment for suppliers, contractors and train crews to the port. That fact doesn't seem to be appreciated in the area.  And the environmental consequences appear subservient to the electoral reality as demonstrated at the election.
gippslander
The Adani Mine?  I honestly think it might never go ahead.  The economics don't stack up, unless the COALition more or less pay for it:
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-05-23/the-math-on-adani-s-carmichael-coal-mine-doesn-t-add-up

What a waste of taxpayer money on a project that has no long-term future.  Stuff what Matt Canavan says.  (Note - I've never voted for the ALP or Greens)
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
(Note - I've never voted for the ALP or Greens)
"Carnot"
Many of us would say that we are not surprised.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

(Note - I've never voted for the ALP or Greens)
Many of us would say that we are not surprised.
Valvegear
There have been times I've voted Informal though.  I just find it weird that the LNP have potentially become all Socialist over funding an uneconomic Coal mine...
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
The cynic in me says the LNP won't do anything about 'jobz 'n growf' in Queensland anyway.

Unemployment, particularly youth unemployment, is really pretty high in regional QLD - in Townsville and Rockhampton the rate gets towards ten percent. It's a national disgrace really, no wonder Queenslanders are angry at Canberra and particularly angry at the Greens for telling them they were wrong for wanting a jobs-generating coal mine. People living those cities and towns don't want to see their kids on drugs or suicidal because they have no job - in that respect Adani represented hope that something would come along to employ those people.

But the reality is the LNP don't care and will ignore them. And if you're unemployed then it's probably your fault anyway...
The unfortunate reality of the Adani mine is that if it does proceed, there will be a short term jobs bonanza but once operational a very different story. The whole site will be automated and one report I saw stated there would only be 100 direct jobs. Of course there will be indirect employment for suppliers, contractors and train crews to the port. That fact doesn't seem to be appreciated in the area.  And the environmental consequences appear subservient to the electoral reality as demonstrated at the election.
gippslander
I think people are grossly underestimating how many people it takes to move +30m of coal out of the ground, rail to port and export. Adding 30m tonnes to a coal port would almost create 100 jobs if you add direct and indirect jobs alone.

Likewise for the railway, 36mtpa coal needs ~10 trains per day, say 3-4 per 8h shift and none will do 2 return loops per 24h due to the distance. So add up the drivers and all the maintainers and hangers on. Plus increase work for track crews,

At the mine, hundreds to over 1000, direct and indirect, automation of the truck fleet won't reduce the numbers that much. Brisbane head office, probably 50-100 there at least..

I think most people accept a new production site of anything has a larger workforce during construction than operation. This would also apply to Sydney's NW Metro, Sydney's new airport, Brisbane's CRR etc etc. WA's mining boom ending when the projects stopped, not the mining.

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