The death of free speech and protected journalism in Australia

 
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
We have the same dodgy ministers up to their old tricks



The ABC and Journalistic raids are clearly motivated and requested by the government and Dutton asked for the legislation.  Personally I believe this to be a dangerous turning point for the country and I see no difference now between the approach the Australian Government has against Journalism to that of Egypt.

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  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
The most serious abuse of civil rights in the countries history

  ANR Assistant Commissioner

At least we have Railpage which is the Bastion of free speech when it comes to all things related to rail. The pollies probably trawl this forum looking for ideas for their next round election promises relating to high speed rail between Sydney and Melbourne via Canberra, Bega, Eden, Bombala, Goulburn, Narrandera and Shepparton.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
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The ABC and Journalistic raids are clearly motivated and requested by the government and Dutton asked for the legislation.  Personally I believe this to be a dangerous turning point for the country and I see no difference now between the approach the Australian Government has against Journalism to that of Egypt.
8077
100% on the money - it's really disturbing that yet again in our high-trust society the governments shows that they don't trust us one little bit and they want mass-surveillance without any kind of legal oversight. Because they've proven in the past how trustworthy they are (yeah right) and we needn't worry about them collecting dossiers on everyone... if ScoMo is thinking about going down this path then I think the public has every right to know what's going on.

Secondly, the timing of the Chinese naval visit to Sydney Harbour was disgraceful and ScoMo should have told them "any time but then"; but apparently we aren't calling the shots on these sorts of things any longer. The timing of that visit shows just how black-hearted and vicious the PRC leadership are - they have every intention of continuing to assert authority over the Chinese diaspora here and our weak as water government will do absolutely nothing about it.

That class traitor Paul Keating even wanted the security heads all sacked under a Labor government for giving their frank and fearless advice about PRC infiltration into Australia's universities and industrial espionage. We have some real problems in this country and I'm afraid that our own fifth columnists like him are working hard against the truth.
  allan Chief Commissioner

Free Speech or protected journalism, in Australia? Where? When?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Isn't it funny how Journos are acting like the apocalypse is nigh when they get raided by the AFP but were largely indifferent about the civil liberties implications back when the AWU got raided by the AFP in similarly dubious circumstances in 2017?
  Big J Assistant Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
I find it interesting Newcorp and the ABC on the same page as this.

No wonder the PM has shown interest in this, especially that Ben Fordham and Ray Hadley are being impacted. I don't think they realised that all media in the eyes of the law will be treated the same.

The AFP haven't done anything wrong. They are applying the law as passed by our parliament. The question is, have our law makers got the balance right?

I think they will amend this before old Rupert starts calling them.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The death of free speech? We have never actually had free speech in this country.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
The death of free speech? We have never actually had free speech in this country.
Aaron
correct. We have no legislation in this country protecting free speech. We have Freedom of expression.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Simples. Don't do or say anything interesting and they'll leave you alone! Laughing
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Oh Mazda on a stick, if people think this is the end of 'free speech' then they've got no idea. If some blabbermouth journalist is putting the country in danger then it's the role of the government to get them back in line. If there really were no freedom of speech in Australia, then we wouldn't be hearing this story. comparing Australia with places like Egypt, Russia, China or Somalia in just stupid. Have any laws been broken? NO! Have any journalists been killed? NO! People moan non stop about not trusting journalists then next they moan because the same journalists are being told to shut it. Same people who endlessly moan about how shocking politicians are. If they're so carpy, whip up you're own political party and present yourself for election. If your ideas are so good you're bound to win, but you won't because the ideas will be no good, but then you can complain about conspiracies. Australia has great politicians compared to any other country I know.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Australia has great politicians compared to any other country I know.
"billybaxter"
Jeez, billy; are you a spokesman for one of them? Which one?
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Judging by the standard of journalists in this country, my take is that 1st year uni consists of learning to cut and paste twitter comments from two bit nobodies.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The red branch of the local journalism students association was out protesting in Adelaide yesterday. Standards ain’t what they used to be, at least one sign said ‘free speach’. I guess the inbuilt ‘editor’ in MS Word cannot put the red squiggle under odd words when you’re using crayons and bits of poster board.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The red branch of the local journalism students association was out protesting in Adelaide yesterday. Standards ain’t what they used to be, at least one sign said ‘free speach’. I guess the inbuilt ‘editor’ in MS Word cannot put the red squiggle under odd words when you’re using crayons and bits of poster board.
Aaron
Really? How embarrassing.
  stooge spark Train Controller

Freedom of speach is also freedom of por grammar
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Dutton and the Government appear to have back tracked on this one as at last night when any investigations now being abandoned on the basis they will not find the person who leaked the information.

Dutton has been at the helm of this IMHO and has not bowed to political pressure to back off.  One of the most untrustworthy politicians to have ever sat in parliament.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

A logical outcome to expect from these raids by the Australian Federal (Political) Police will be that investigative journalists in Australia will work harder to forge stronger relationships with colleagues overseas who are covered by more protective legislation.

Until a government is brave enough to try putting the leash back on the AF(P)P, the only way remaining to protect sources will be to transfer source materials from the country to foreign journalistic organisations or individual foreign journalists for safekeeping.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Dutton might not be behind all of this, it seems that perhaps Mark Dreyfus might have written to the AFP and government requesting the investigation.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Dutton might not be behind all of this, it seems that perhaps Mark Dreyfus might have written to the AFP and government requesting the investigation.
Aaron
Are you suggesting that Dutton has lost control of the domestic security agencies and the position of Home Affairs Minister is effectively vacant?
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
No, I am suggesting that Dutton isn’t the only person capable of requesting an AFP investigation, nor is he likely the person who sourced the material that was the subject of the legal breach.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Has democracy run its course? It's only a relatively recent development in human history after all.

Intelligent Germans ditched democracy and I'd suggest the average person was quite happy until the bombs started falling.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Has democracy run its course? It's only a relatively recent development in human history after all.

Intelligent Germans ditched democracy and I'd suggest the average person was quite happy until the bombs started falling.
Groundrelay
Why would the average person care about something they don't know because some pollie has decided they don't need to know.

The LNP has used the War on Terror for political advantage and any criticism is portrayed as an attack on National Security. However they'll release details or leak whenever it's advantageous politically. These days party and retaining power the only thing that matters. The USA is a perfect example. Many Republicans can't stomach Trump but they'll go along because all that matters is having a Republican President.  Is it any surprise that legislation is being used beyond the overt intention of giving our agencies easier communications access to prevent terrorism.
  billybaxter Deputy Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
'Intelligent Germans ditched democracy and I'd suggest the average person was quite happy until the bombs started falling.'
Sounds  the like you think voting National Socialist was the intelligent man's choice. Considering the very predictable result of that episode, in retrospect it wasn't a very clever choice.

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