Big projects, bigger bills: Melbourne's massive construction boom comes at a cost - The Age

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 11 Jun 2019 09:01
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/big-projects-bigger-bills-massive-construction-boom-comes-at-a-cost-20190610-p51w5d.html

Simply posting the article, I have no real opinion. Suffice to say, I don't believe paying cheap overseas labour to get the projects completed is the answer.

Mike.

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
...and I thought I posted this in 'News', not in the Victoria forum.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

...and I thought I posted this in 'News', not in the Victoria forum.
The Vinelander
Bevans moved your post here. ^-^
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Yes pointless moving it from 'News' because it will only create approximately 5 replies and then sink without a trace.

Mike.
  SinickleBird Chief Train Controller

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
Issues (not specific to Victoria, by the way)

Cost of labour - huge money paid on building sites for manual workers.

Cost of non-jobs - an entire industry has been created of lollipop-wielding backpackers (mainly ladies), plus another industry training said backpackers in how to wield said lollipops, plus another industry accrediting the training institutions who provide said training. Similar could be said about multiple safety officers whose role, protecting life and limb, sounds essential - yet men are still dying on building sites despite the overwhelming attention (said to be) paid by the unions to this issue. (flippant comment - the ladies don’t seem to suffer this issue - perhaps because of the nature of work they perform in order to boost females-on-building-sites stats - end of flippant comment)

Cost of multiple levels of consultants - covering feasibility (see Inland Rail forums for example), environmental impact, indigenous impact.

Cost of multiple levels of approval  - local, state, federal on most material projects.

Now, show us a leader who is prepared to take on even one of the above.

[S-Bird braces for a firestorm of abuse]
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Snicklebird, RE consultants.
Spoke to a mate last week, for simplicity he supplies product and service to the medical field.
His biggest customer has engaged consultants, unsure of the brief or scope.

But I do know Their first statement and question to him was,
Your prices are too high and how much can you reduce them by.
  SinickleBird Chief Train Controller

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
A case in point, seen today on a building site in Sydney.

The work being done - remove soil from site, and place in a skip.

The equipment in use - a machine on crawler track that carries a wheelbarrow load at a time. The crawler limits speed to a level similar to my aged mother on her walking frame.

The team - a wheelbarrow driver, a guy with a shovel (to smooth out the pile on the skip, when not waiting), two lollipop people to open and close gates on the footpath for the occasional pedestrian.

The result- a team of four people and a machine, moving soil at about half the rate a 60-year old guy (me) with a traditional wheelbarrow could do.

That’s progress and value for money.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

A case in point, seen today on a building site in Sydney.

The work being done - remove soil from site, and place in a skip.

The equipment in use - a machine on crawler track that carries a wheelbarrow load at a time. The crawler limits speed to a level similar to my aged mother on her walking frame.

The team - a wheelbarrow driver, a guy with a shovel (to smooth out the pile on the skip, when not waiting), two lollipop people to open and close gates on the footpath for the occasional pedestrian.

The result- a team of four people and a machine, moving soil at about half the rate a 60-year old guy (me) with a traditional wheelbarrow could do.

That’s progress and value for money.
SinickleBird
And how many highly paid white collar parasites orchestrated this poetry in motion?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Cost of labour - huge money paid on building sites for manual workers.
SinickleBird

The skilled/unskilled labour dichotomy has been with us since the days of Adam Smith and it's got all the intellectual firepower of a middle-aged bloke in the National Gallery of Australia sniggering 'my toddler could paint that' about Blue Poles.
Outraged at the cost of labour in the construction industry? Join your union and fight to get paid what you're actually worth.

Cost of non-jobs - an entire industry has been created of lollipop-wielding backpackers (mainly ladies), plus another industry training said backpackers in how to wield said lollipops, plus another industry accrediting the training institutions who provide said training.
SinickleBird

Traffic control is ridiculous, yes. But remember that it's used a lot more these days because there's that much more traffic to control - and because people get aneurysms if there's a total road or pedestrian path closure.

Similar could be said about multiple safety officers whose role, protecting life and limb, sounds essential - yet men are still dying on building sites despite the overwhelming attention (said to be) paid by the unions to this issue. (flippant comment - the ladies don’t seem to suffer this issue - perhaps because of the nature of work they perform in order to boost females-on-building-sites stats - end of flippant comment)
SinickleBird

It's literally illegal for union officials to ask workers on a building site to down tools because something's unsafe. The antidote to this onerous facet of our industrial relations system was supposed to be having safety officers on sites to ensure that they're safe - but the problem always comes back to people wanting to take shortcuts. Bypassing safety officers is the first step when you take a shortcut.

Cost of multiple levels of consultants - covering feasibility (see Inland Rail forums for example), environmental impact, indigenous impact.
SinickleBird

Consultants are merely a symptom, the disease that causes them is far nastier. Unfortunately the only cures available might be even worse.

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