Infrastructure projects a drain on Victoria‘s building resources materials

 

News article: Infrastructure projects a drain on Victoria‘s building resources materials

Industry groups say Victoria must act soon, or sand and other raw building materials will need to be imported from interstate or overseas, dramatically raising construction costs for infrastructure projects.

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Where are the big sources of sand (well Gippsland), rock and aggregates in Victoria?  If you consider the volumes of products and concrete plant at Benalla (rail link) then we have seen rail being used already.

I see an opportunity for rail for the delivery of these products into Melbourne.

Infrastructure projects a drain on Victoria‘s building resources materials

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  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
A pessimist says that this is a drain on resources.
An optimist says that it's great news for the companies which supply these resources.
  ptvcommuter Train Controller

Increasingly clear that the Age is swinging more towards the right every day and feeding out liberal party propaganda.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
A pessimist says that this is a drain on resources.
An optimist says that it's great news for the companies which supply these resources.
Valvegear

It is indeed that, great news  for the building industry and great news for those who have access to or whom own the resources.  Did you see the logistics challenges in the article?  This to my mind says there is a roll for rail.  But how does rail get involved in this?  This is where El Zorro was good they would move quickly.  Maybe SSR and/or Qube can make a move?
  viaprojects Train Controller

Sydney has gone past the problem used up most of the easy supply... product ( sand, rock and aggregates )  get's reused after being cleaned and sorted... happens with all projects - ie Sydney metro we get sand from sandstone while the TBMs doing the tunnels. just need to be processed to be used ...
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Sydney has gone past the problem used up most of the easy supply... product ( sand, rock and aggregates )  get's reused after being cleaned and sorted... happens with all projects - ie Sydney metro we get sand from sandstone while the TBMs doing the tunnels. just need to be processed to be used ...
viaprojects
Im not sure that Melbourne has all that much sandstone to draw from - what is the bedrock under Melbourne can any geology aware posters inform us??
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Increasingly clear that the Age is swinging more towards the right every day and feeding out liberal party propaganda.
ptvcommuter

It's owned by the 9 Network these days, so go figure...

Mike.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Increasingly clear that the Age is swinging more towards the right every day and feeding out liberal party propaganda.
ptvcommuter

a) this article is from the Herald Sun, but I’ll forgive that because the RP interface makes so little effort to acknowledge its sources

b) The Age was the most left-leaning newspaper in the country during the federal election campaign

c) any story that is critical of the Andrews government is not automatically Liberal propaganda - you’d have to be pretty bloody one-eyed to think Dan is beyond reproach
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Sydney has gone past the problem used up most of the easy supply... product ( sand, rock and aggregates )  get's reused after being cleaned and sorted... happens with all projects - ie Sydney metro we get sand from sandstone while the TBMs doing the tunnels. just need to be processed to be used ...
Im not sure that Melbourne has all that much sandstone to draw from - what is the bedrock under Melbourne can any geology aware posters inform us??
james.au
A lot of sand and clay I believe. The Catholic cathedral in Melbourne was constructed out of bluestone which was sourced from ship's ballast and was used as it was cheap. Sydney of course used sandstone which was plentiful but reasonably dear. The Catholics had the last laugh as bluestone is far more durable than sandstone. Sandstone currently is hard to source and dear thus any restorations in Sydney cost an arm and a leg.

But the long and short of it is that Melbourne did not have any suitable rock to use in old style construction so sand and clay it was.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Increasingly clear that the Age is swinging more towards the right every day and feeding out liberal party propaganda.


b) The Age was the most left-leaning newspaper in the country during the federal election campaign
potatoinmymouth
No quiet, Few Further left minor ones, this is probably the most well known one.

https://redflag.org.au
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Sydney has gone past the problem used up most of the easy supply... product ( sand, rock and aggregates )  get's reused after being cleaned and sorted... happens with all projects - ie Sydney metro we get sand from sandstone while the TBMs doing the tunnels. just need to be processed to be used ...
Im not sure that Melbourne has all that much sandstone to draw from - what is the bedrock under Melbourne can any geology aware posters inform us??
james.au
And in some locations of Melbourne it's a recent basalt lava plain over sand and other weird & wonderful rock formations and aquifers.  Horrible for tunnels.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Melbourne, particularly to the western side, sits on what are known as the basalt plains.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

The Catholics had the last laugh
nswtrains

St Pat’s is one of the great (sic) underdog stories. Every time the early fiercely Protestant politicians walked up Bourke St to their Parliament House they had to look at the soaring spire of the cathedral - and still do! Smile
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

Sandstone currently is hard to source and dear thus any restorations in Sydney cost an arm and a leg.
nswtrains
Why is sandstone hard to source, it's my understanding that the Sydney Basin is made of it? Sydney sandstone is prized as a building material as it is easy to work but sufficiently durable. As a material to tunnel through it is relatively easy to excavate, but stable
  Richard stroker Locomotive Driver

There is plenty of rock in the outer northern and western suburbs, only a couple of years ago they weren't suburbs , it was farm land which could have been quarried , but in the governments wisdom they chose to build houses on top of the close to Melbournes plentiful rock supply .
Mernda is one example, although all the rock that has to be dug out for housing estates does get crushed and recycled.

There is one company selling recycled glass as recycled sand , someone with more knowledge about glass than myself might be able to clarify this.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

There is one company selling recycled glass as recycled sand , someone with more knowledge about glass than myself might be able to clarify this.
Richard stroker
Glass is essentially sand which has been molten and resolidified, so the claim is technically correct.
  GoldenGirl Station Master

There is plenty of rock in the outer northern and western suburbs, only a couple of years ago they weren't suburbs , it was farm land which could have been quarried , but in the governments wisdom they chose to build houses on top of the close to Melbournes plentiful rock supply .
Mernda is one example, although all the rock that has to be dug out for housing estates does get crushed and recycled.

There is one company selling recycled glass as recycled sand , someone with more knowledge about glass than myself might be able to clarify this.
Richard stroker
' it was farm land which could have been quarried , but in the governments wisdom they chose to build houses on top of the close to Melbournes plentiful rock supply ."

But not nearly as stupid as various governments plans to build on the most productive market gardening land in the South East. The western suburbs only grow rocks, whereas the loss of land around Cranbourne has severely affected our ability to grow food.
  Richard stroker Locomotive Driver

I totally agree with you golden girl, the Cranbourne- Clyde area also has access to recycled water to grow our food
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
The Problem is No political parties (aside from Possibly the Urban Centric Greens) have been bothered to do anything about urban Sprawl one of the biggest problems we are facing at the moment.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

The Problem is No political parties (aside from Possibly the Urban Centric Greens) have been bothered to do anything about urban Sprawl one of the biggest problems we are facing at the moment.
Dangersdan707
Yeah, but anything that could threaten "jobs and growff" in the short-term won't wash with most pollies.

I totally agree that it's unsustainable though.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
The Problem is No political parties (aside from Possibly the Urban Centric Greens) have been bothered to do anything about urban Sprawl one of the biggest problems we are facing at the moment.
Yeah, but anything that could threaten "jobs and growff" in the short-term won't wash with most pollies.

I totally agree that it's unsustainable though.
Carnot
The Problem I have with a lot of political and economic discussions is that they just assume we can keep growing and growing forever. Yeah, they just assume we live on a planet with unlimited supply of coal and oil and we can keep doing what ever without consequence. Growth is unsustainable, the global economies will eventually stagnate if nothing changes.

I think that were I live (an agricultural area 1 hours drive from the CBD) will be in 40-60yrs consumed by urban sprawl at the current rate its going at.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The Problem is No political parties (aside from Possibly the Urban Centric Greens) have been bothered to do anything about urban Sprawl one of the biggest problems we are facing at the moment.
Yeah, but anything that could threaten "jobs and growff" in the short-term won't wash with most pollies.

I totally agree that it's unsustainable though.
The Problem I have with a lot of political and economic discussions is that they just assume we can keep growing and growing forever. Yeah, they just assume we live on a planet with unlimited supply of coal and oil and we can keep doing what ever without consequence. Growth is unsustainable, the global economies will eventually stagnate if nothing changes.

I think that were I live (an agricultural area 1 hours drive from the CBD) will be in 40-60yrs consumed by urban sprawl at the current rate its going at.
Dangersdan707

I agree the world needs to put a cap on population. Unfortunately nothing short of genocide or a war can achieve that. Eventually we will just run out of oxygen, water and land.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
The problem with sprawl is that no politician is brave enough to stand up and tell people that their dream of owning a 4 bedroom house with 2 living rooms, three bathrooms a double garage, and a backyard is unsustainable. As a society we are too happy to engage in the idea of the "Australian Dream" rather than accepting if people lived just a little more densely things would be a lot better.

It's a cultural thing we need to break.

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