50 level crossings to be removed

 
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

I love this line from the article:

"This is an under-trodden, stood over, damaged group in the community … "

Poor Toorakians, the forgotten down-trodden richest suburb of the state.  Seriously, they must be crying into their fkn pearls.  Is elevated rail going to ruin their view of the freeway?  FFS.

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  True Believers Chief Commissioner
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
https://Railpage.com.au/news/s/stonnington-council-gives-10-000-war-chest-to-anti-sky-rail-activism-group
Professional NIMBYism at its absolute worst.

Sometimes I feel like we’ll end up like the US where no transport project goes ahead because the wealthy residents object to poor people being able to travel through their suburbs.

It won't stop the project from going ahead.

It's a Liberal electorate so no political fallout is possible...suck it up richies and go rattle your jewellery somewhere else.

Mike.
The Vinelander
The question has been asked at bit In the media, If the railway elevates over Toorak Road, will this make It Impossible to lower the railway under Glenferrie Road and Tooronga Road (as the Federal Libs want) ?
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

https://Railpage.com.au/news/s/stonnington-council-gives-10-000-war-chest-to-anti-sky-rail-activism-group
Professional NIMBYism at its absolute worst.

Sometimes I feel like we’ll end up like the US where no transport project goes ahead because the wealthy residents object to poor people being able to travel through their suburbs.

It won't stop the project from going ahead.

It's a Liberal electorate so no political fallout is possible...suck it up richies and go rattle your jewellery somewhere else.

Mike.
The question has been asked at bit In the media, If the railway elevates over Toorak Road, will this make It Impossible to lower the railway under Glenferrie Road and Tooronga Road (as the Federal Libs want) ?
Nightfire

No, it will not be impossible. There's enough room on either side to allow it dip. Just have a look at the Bentleigh level crossing removal, it goes under the road, then goes to surface level, then dips again along a short distance.

Anyways it really depends on the soil conditions or what is underground at both Glenferrie road and Tooronga road. If that soil tests passed and nothing significant is found underneath then a rail under solution would be possible, though it would cost more.
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

The question has been asked at bit In the media, If the railway elevates over Toorak Road, will this make It Impossible to lower the railway under Glenferrie Road and Tooronga Road (as the Federal Libs want) ?
Nightfire

It seems everything (other than the airport rail link) promised by the Federal Liberals for Victoria is just a petty way of trying to sabotage Daniel Andrews' successful policies/positions. I would be surprised if the money for the East West Link is actually available. The money for the Geelong Fast Rail is a joke in itself. Their level crossing money is just a statement in favour of NIMBYism, otherwise they would just help pay for existing level crossing removals.
Although I would take any money that helps improve our railways, I must say that level crossings should not be a federal issue, unless they inhibit a major project that the feds are supporting. The feds should be helping to fund SRL and Metro 1 instead which are far more important projects worthy of federal support. Oh wait, that's what a Labor government would've brought!
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

It seems everything (other than the airport rail link) promised by the Federal Liberals for Victoria is just a petty way of trying to sabotage Daniel Andrews' successful policies/positions.
reubstar6

I generally don’t agree with the concept of a specific mandate. Voters give governments a mandate to govern, nothing more, nothing less. But it should be profoundly obvious to all concerned that the people of Victoria trust Andrews to keep his promises far more than they trust Morrison to do anything. The idea that a swing against him in Victoria and a loss in the state gives him a right to run roughshod over a popular Premier is, as you say, petty and deeply unproductive.

The adult response for Morrison would be to work with Andrews instead of against him, giving him a much greater chance of building his electoral stocks in this state, and giving the state Liberals the credibility they will desperately need in 2022 when Dan is cutting ribbons all over the state again and they can’t rub two policies together.
  ptvcommuter Train Controller

Elevate the line, remove all three level crossings at Toorak Rd, Tooronga Rd and Glenferrie Rd and be done with it

It’s also better for Glen Waverley Line passengers as removing all three as one project would mean less replacement busses.
  Lockie91 Train Controller

Elevate the line, remove all three level crossings at Toorak Rd, Tooronga Rd and Glenferrie Rd and be done with it

It’s also better for Glen Waverley Line passengers as removing all three as one project would mean less replacement busses.
ptvcommuter
Could you imagine? Stonnington would of given the NIMBYS the full 50K
  electric Chief Train Controller

Location: Ist mir egal
Elevate the line, remove all three level crossings at Toorak Rd, Tooronga Rd and Glenferrie Rd and be done with it

It’s also better for Glen Waverley Line passengers as removing all three as one project would mean less replacement busses.
Could you imagine? Stonnington would of given the NIMBYS the full 50K
Lockie91
It's already ruined by the Monash... the railway will be better looking (and smaller) than that gigantic hole.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

The Kooyong crossing #noskyrailing is even dumber...  The freeway is pretty much right next to it, on a way bigger viaduct.

These peoples' religious-level opposition to rail viaducts on principle has become a complete farce.
  mejhammers1 Deputy Commissioner

@Rebustar6 metro1 is important SRL patently isnt.

Michael
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
One good thing about Skyrail in posh areas - you get to see Victoria's Secret flapping from the backyard clotheslines instead of Bond's Cottontails! Laughing
  NR61 Station Staff

Could this be considered obstructionism? Should see the Stonnington council sacked over this.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

True Believers you made your list a lot more complicated that It really needed to be by bending lines.

Where you could just list the Melbourne - Werribee, line than the Newport - Williamstown line and the Altona Junction - Laverton loop.
I should have made a table instead. Planning to update on this.
True Believers
Ok, as promised I've made brand new tables, listing all the separations on the electric railway network and road.
Listing all the methods of grade separations.




Note: a Hybrid option you should be familiar with is a mix btw railway raised/lowered and road raised/lowered. It can be tricky to identify.

There are only three tunnels on the Melbourne electrified rail network (excluding the city loop), for this reason, it's been put in the same column as the hybrid option since both options are rare to find. The 3 tunnels that do exist are the Rossana tunnel, and the 2 tunnels located under Wellington Parade, and under Hoddle Street.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Strange no-one replied to the tables, they must be too good, here's an overview of the remaining level crossings and which I would prioritise.

After 2025, let's look at the level crossings remaining. Let's see now

Sandringham:
Greville St, Prahran - Close the crossing
Union St, Windsor - Close the crossing
Glen Eira Rd, Ripponlea - Priority (1)
Bay St, Brighton - Not a priority yet
Church St, Brighton - Not a priority yet
Dendy St, Brighton - Not a priority yet
South Rd, Brighton - Priority (2)
New St, Hampton - Close the crossing
Hampton St, Hampton - Not a priority yet
Linacre Rd, Hampton - Close the crossing
Abbott St, Sandringham - Close the crossing

Frankston:
Wickham Rd, Highett - Not a priority yet
Highett Rd, Highett - Not a priority yet
Latrobe St, Cheltenham - Closed the crossing
Warrigal Rd, Mentone - Priority (3)
Parkers Rd, Parkdale - Not a priority yet
McDonald St, Mordialloc - Priority (4)
Bear St, Mordialloc - Priority (5)
Station St, Aspendale - Close but extend the road over to the river to connect with Park street
Lincoln Pde, Aspendale - Not a priority yet
Lochiel Ave, Edithvale - Not a priority yet
Armstrongs Rd, Seaford - Not a priority yet
Station St, Seaford - Not a priority yet

Dandenong/Cranbourne is mostly separated, this would fully separate it
Progress St, Dandenong South - Close and connect Fowler road to Progress street
Webb St, Narre Warren - Priority (6)
Station St, Beaconsfield - Close the crossing
Brunt Rd, Officer - Priority (7)
Station St, Officer - Priority (8)

Belgrave/Lilydale line/Alemain line, the remaining ones are not really a priority
Note Croydon one has had a quick investigation study looking at elevated rail there.

Glen Waverly line
All of the remaining 4 are a priority (9-12)

Hurstbridge line
Westgarth St, Northcote - Priority (13)
Victoria Rd, Northcote - Priority (14)
Station St, Fairfield - Priority (15)
Yarralea St, Alphington - Close the crossing
Marshall St, Ivanhoe - Not a priority yet
Ruthven St, Macleod - Not a priority yet
Diamond St, Eltham - Close the crossing
Railway Rd, Eltham - Close the crossing
Wattletree Rd, Eltham - Not a priority yet
Allendale Rd, Diamond Creek - Not a priority yet
Main Hurstbridge Rd, Diamond Creek - Priority (16)

Mernda line
Charles St, Northcote - Close the crossing
Arthurton Rd, Northcote - Priority (17)
Beavers Rd, Northcote - Close the crossing
Woolton Ave, Thornbury - Close the crossing
Normanby Ave, Thornbury - Priority (18)
Hutton St, Thornbury - Close the crossing
Regent St, Preston - Not a priority yet
Keon Pde, Reservoir - Priority (19)
Settlement Rd, Thomastown - Priority (20)
Heyington Ave, Thomastown/Manns Crossing, Thomastown - Not a priority yet but could be removed by connecting The Blvd to High street
Paschke Cres, Lalor - Not a priority yet
Childs Rd, Epping - Priority (21)

Craigeburn line
Grade separate all of them but close off Park St, Moonee Ponds
(22-25)

Sunbury line mostly separated and the rest are not a priority

Werribee line
Remove the remaining 5. (25-29)

Williamstown/Altona line, not much you can do there in the near future ^-^

Upfield line
Arden St, North Melbourne - very difficult the line must be moved to grade separate
Macaulay Rd, North Melbourne - very difficult the line must be moved to grade separate
Poplar Rd, Parkville - Close the crossing
From Park St, Brunswick all the way to Albion St, Brunswick can be removed in one elevated structure, 8 level crossings there - Not priority but you can remove a bunch of them at once (maybe 30-37)
The remain ones are not a priority yet about 6 of them
And close off Cemetary Ent, Hadfield

So from the remaining level crossings by 2025 (about 100 remainings), 18 of them can simply be closed, I prioritised about 30-37 of them. And about 40 of them are less of a priority and might be removed one by one over time
  ptvcommuter Train Controller

You can’t just close that many crossings, many are useful for people and locals to get across to where they need to go

Would consider adding Highett Rd as a priority, traffic has become very bad there. Whickam Rd would be there because of its proximity

Hampton St would be another candidate for priority

Closing Abbott St, Sandringham shouldn’t be done at all road sees traffic and second platform will be needed sooner than later at Sandringham. Closing New St wouldn’t be great either even though it’s warranted, we just spent 4 million reopening it.

Good luck removing South Rd, Brighton. Elevated Rail won’t be done as the locals wouldn’t want it, would destroy beach views and there’s heritage station plus beach next to it to deal with

Roads in Eltham connect people to Eltham North and local areas, closing them wouldn’t be wise. Closing Station St Aspendale again not the most wise solution

Not a local of Diamond Creek but does a crossing that sees 2 trains max per hour and in the future 3 potentially warrant priority status. I don’t know how bad the crossing is as I’m not a local
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

You can’t just close that many crossings, many are useful for people and locals to get across to where they need to go

Would consider adding Highett Rd as a priority, traffic has become very bad there. Whickam Rd would be there because of its proximity

Hampton St would be another candidate for priority

Closing Abbott St, Sandringham shouldn’t be done at all road sees traffic and second platform will be needed sooner than later at Sandringham. Closing New St wouldn’t be great either even though it’s warranted, we just spent 4 million reopening it.

Good luck removing South Rd, Brighton. Elevated Rail won’t be done as the locals wouldn’t want it, would destroy beach views and there’s heritage station plus beach next to it to deal with

Roads in Eltham connect people to Eltham North and local areas, closing them wouldn’t be wise. Closing Station St Aspendale again not the most wise solution

Not a local of Diamond Creek but does a crossing that sees 2 trains max per hour and in the future 3 potentially warrant priority status. I don’t know how bad the crossing is as I’m not a local
ptvcommuter
Highett Rd and Wickham Rd have some merits to be prioritized.

I have closed a lot of level crossings along the Sandringham line, yes, but a lot of it is some very quiet local streets where there is a nearby alternative road already grade separated not too far away. Abbot street alternatives are using Bay road to the south and Bridge street from the north. South Road isn't very far from New Street when South Road is separated, there will be no need for New street to be open anymore.

The Diamond st crossing in Eltham alternative route would be Pather Place which crosses under the trestle bridge. You could extend that to connect Diamond street and the level crossing can go. The Railway road in Eltham one can go if you grade separate Wattle Tree Road and you can easily access Railway Parade.

I've decided to close Station St Aspendale, to use a similar method happening in Carrum. Close the crossing but provide a close alternative route. If you grade separate the level crossing in Mordi and build a bridge over the river to connect station street to Mordi to cross over, then the crossing can simply close.

The diamond Creek one is not a priority
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

I notice one of your priority separations is Warrigal Rd, Mentone/Parkdale.

This is an interesting one - it should already have been on the government's list.  I'm not sure why it wasn't included in the Mentone project, it could be lowered at the same time.  It's certainly a dangerous one - a car was hit by a train here today, and there have been a number of near misses.  At least one case in the past where a school student was killed crossing on foot.

Also, this was the only crossing which the Libs wanted to add to the LXRA if they won last year (I suspect that had to do with the proximity to Mentone Grammar, both the Mordialloc and Carrum candidates for the Liberal party were connected to the school).
  Doss13 Beginner

I haven't seen many of the pages on this list, so apologies in advance if this topic has been touched on.

But, could the line from Mooroolbark to Lilydale be duplicated at the same time as the level crossing removals? (Maroondah Highway and Manchester Road)

The line would need to be closed for an extended period of time, and it would probably be best to do this in one single period of a few months, rather than closing and reopening the line repeatedly for a few years. A turnback may be required at Croydon for this to take place (not sure if there is already one there).

Whilst it's not the most important section of the network requiring an upgrade, it would still hit 2 birds with one stone.
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Station St, Beaconsfield - Close the crossing
Station St, Officer - Priority (8)
True Believers
Not sure what formula you used to determine your outcomes, but closing Station St LX at Beaconsfield only leaves the Beaconsfield Ave underpass on the UP side of the station which is extremely low and prone to flooding from Cardinia Creek which is why Kenilworth Rd and Station St were upgraded in recent years to become the main route.

And then you have Station St at Officer listed as a priority when there is literally a new road underpass at the other end of the station that traffic could easily be diverted down.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Station St, Beaconsfield - Close the crossing
Station St, Officer - Priority (8)
Not sure what formula you used to determine your outcomes, but closing Station St LX at Beaconsfield only leaves the Beaconsfield Ave underpass on the UP side of the station which is extremely low and prone to flooding from Cardinia Creek which is why Kenilworth Rd and Station St were upgraded in recent years to become the main route.

And then you have Station St at Officer listed as a priority when there is literally a new road underpass at the other end of the station that traffic could easily be diverted down.
jakar
Ok replace the existing underpass at Beaconsfield Ave and replace it with a road bridge and then close Station St, Beaconsfield.
  ptvcommuter Train Controller

https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/news/new-moreland-and-coburg-station-designs-revealed
Interesting designs, but elevated rail is a win for the area. Will be a nice stepping stone for the future elevated rail for the other Upfield Line Stations.

Budget this year also includes funding for the additional 25 Level Crossings added to the list. Hopefully they will fast track the Glenhuntly one.
  ptvcommuter Train Controller

May I ask what will happen in regards to the crossover at Coburg now that there’s elevated rail going in place ?
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

May I ask what will happen in regards to the crossover at Coburg now that there’s elevated rail going in place ?
ptvcommuter

They are adding a cross-over at Anstey during construction, which is what I've heard.

Also, I've heard that adding a cross-over at Gowrie where the double track ends, would be a good idea from the comments responding to the LXRA work, which would mean more frequent services across the whole Upfield line except Upfield station.
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

They are adding a cross-over at Anstey during construction, which is what I've heard. Also, I've heard that adding a cross-over at Gowrie where the double track ends, would be a good idea from the comments responding to the LXRA work, which would mean more frequent services across the whole Upfield line except Upfield station.
True Believers
Bit of a silly question but why can't trains cross over at Gowrie already? Can't they just drive past the down junction and reverse into the other platform?

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