Sydney Trains S Set - Scrapping has recommenced :(

 
  C3765 Junior Train Controller


So far it seems the preserved motor cars might be (C3805, C3861?, C3912, C3986, C3765, C3001)
SydneyCider
C3861 will probably be preserved not because it was the oldest carriage in service but because it is the closest carriage that is left to C3858 (The first of the Series 2 Motor Cars).
One of C3814 or C3840 will probably also be preserved while the other provides parts for the other. C3862 will most likely be kept along with at least one other Goninan Car (likely a “Mk2 Goninan Car)

trailers (T4101, T4150, D4002, T4921-62 range, T4968 or T4983, T4050?
SydneyCider


Don’t forget T4926. T4003 could also be kept.
this could even form an 8-car farewell set to run on a special day probably when the last 2 Waratah B sets have entered service.
Sydney Cider
They wouldn’t run a special “farewell” run if they are still going to be running on the network until September because it wouldn’t be a farewell.

There will most likely be 5 Operational Carriages to be preserved by HETS (8 in a set and 2 spare):
Motor Cars: C3805, C3912, C3765, C3001
Trailer Cars: T4013, T4922, T4002, T4150
Spare: C3814/C3840* and T4926

*C3840 would not be available until the 2020s

3-5 Non Operation Carriages in Museums (Thirlmere, etc...):
C3861, C3862, C3986, C30XX, T4050, T4101, T4003, T4968, T4983



Once all S Sets have been withdrawn including the retained sets, they would start sending the cars other than the preserved HETs cars where they need to go and keep the rest at FMC temporarily before being transferred to Chullora Heritage Hub with the others (F1, U2, W3, etc...).

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  C3765 Junior Train Controller

Many people don’t seem to know the difference between the “Mk 1” Goninan Cars (C3001-3020 and T4101-T4120) and “Mk 2” Goninan Cars (C3021-C3080 and T4121-T4170). It is hard to tell the difference as the only real difference is the side fans. Mk 1s have squarish fans that pops out and Mk 2s have circular, less visible fan.
  C3765 Junior Train Controller

Although still a fair bit off, choosing to preserve V set cars will be an interesting case, especially the camshaft ones, quite a few important/prominent cars seem to have survived that were part of first electric train celebrations, etc. When it eventually comes to K and C sets, much simpler, just a 4 car set will do.
SydneyCider

For the V Sets, I think DCM 8021 (First of Series 2 Motor Cars - Still in Intercity Livery) which has been withdrawn and stored at the back of Auburn will be preserved along with DET 9216 and 1 motor and trailer car from each series (series 2-9). All Series 1 Cars have been withdrawn, the last of them was blown up by the Goulburn Police Academy as part of their training.

For the K Sets, C3501, one of D4096-D4099, T4171 and C3580 would be preserved.  Don’t know about T4246. They could couple this to an S Set (forming an “Esky” Set) and run tours in the future together.

For the C Sets, C3581*, T4247, T4274 and C3608 might be preserved.

*C3581 was the carriage used to showcase the original Tangara design at Central.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Friday, May 17, Evening Peak, the following S sets sighted in service:-

Carlingford Line services (daytime hours), operated with S set consist:-
Roster 48: S97, and Roster 49: S61.

Olympic Park Sprint services:-
L1: S64/99.
L2: operated with K set consist set K92 (on its own).

Sector 2 (T2, T3, T8) services:-
Roster 34: S56/135, and Roster 35: S140/145.
  C3888 Station Staff

From what I know, C3840 has had parts already taken from it while C3814 was preserved in a complete form. So I think C3840 will ether be restored or scrapped once done at petersham. Also T4058 which is coupled to C3840 was used in a corn chips add in 2012.  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V93qcOEwpO0
  C3765 Junior Train Controller

Also T4058 which is coupled to C3840 was used in a corn chips add in 2012.
C3888
That’s not a significant enough reason for it to be preserved. It may not be preserved but they may sell it to a private buyer as the two cars at Petersham are probably asbestos free.

Someone mentioned previously that the reason they can’t be sold is because some of them have asbestos in them. I thought all S Set carriages didn’t have asbestos in them and was the reason why they were used to temporarily run for the K Sets and C Sets when they were withdrawn for asbestos removal in 2017. If the drivers didn’t want to operate the C Sets and K Sets because of the asbestos, why would they agree to drive an S Set with the same problems. Also if they removed asbestos from some cars, why wouldn’t they do that for all the rest of the carriages, weren’t they concerned about the health of their staff. Also I thought the asbestos was in the cabs of the S Sets, wouldn’t that mean the trailer cars would be asbestos free? I think it’s just an excuse they’ve made and that there are other reasons why they aren’t selling them to the public.
  Tulloch4808 Locomotive Fireman

If memory serves me right wasn’t there some asbestos in the tulloch deckers when they were sold off to the public?  Not to mention the layers of lead paint they were covered in
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Thursday, May 23, Evening Peak, the following S sets sighted in service:-

Carlingford Line services (daytime hours), operated with S set consist:-
Roster 48: S61.
Roster 49 operated by K set: K83.

Olympic Park Sprint services:-
Roster L1 operated by K set: K98.
Roster L2: S28.

Sector 2 (T2, T3, T8) services:-
Roster 34: S56/135, Roster 43: S64/99, and Roster 45: 140/145.

Could someone give me a 101 beginners guide to getting hold of one of these for my property in Burrawang Station Lane on the Illawarra line?
  matthewg Train Controller

Could someone give me a 101 beginners guide to getting hold of one of these for my property in Burrawang Station Lane on the Illawarra line?
Burrawang Station Master
There isn't. They were all sold in a job lot to a scrapper who had to ensure any asbestos is properly dealt with by appropriately licensed people.


While you MAY have been able to buy one complete off the scraper in the normal scheme of things, there is probably an obligation in the scappers contract with TfNSW/Railcorp to ensure ALL asbestos is dealt with and they can't know if they have got it all without almost shredding the car.

The asbestos issue will have almost certainly ensured that none of these cars finds an 'adaptive reuse' role. Pity, but given the paranoia about asbestos and the open-ended future possibility that some future owner of one of these car bodies would try and sue the government for selling items containing a dangerous controlled substance.

Most asbestos is safe if treated with appropriate respect. Unfortunately, between paranoia about the health risks and the number of people who DONT treat it with respect...

I once watched a building site (refurb works) vacate with considerable haste when a subbie decided that all the precautions about the asbestos cement shell of this particular building were rubbish and proceeded to drill holes through it with no dust precautions what so ever. Some years later the entire building was demolished at considerable expense as the entire building was cocooned and guys wearing 'moon suits' painstakingly removed each asbestos cement sheet by hand
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

Photo of C3748 at Flemington Maintenance Center by Paul O'Flaherty taken 28 May 2019 (today).

https://www.facebook.com/groups/NSWRailwaysPastandPresent/permalink/3262595267099597/

One comment suggests it might be under the process of being stripped for parts. Although not really known. C3765 will probably be kept as the representative of the last of the Comeng power car delivered exactly 39 years ago to this month (late May 1980). In contrast, C3805 the first, entered service in May 1972.
  C3765 Junior Train Controller

Photo of C3748 at Flemington Maintenance Center by Paul O'Flaherty taken 28 May 2019 (today). https://www.facebook.com/groups/NSWRailwaysPastandPresent/pe...
SydneyCider
I suspected that C3748 was retained, although I wasn’t completely sure until now. I don’t think it is getting stripped of parts, in fact I think it might be receiving a minor overhaul, similarly to C3912 which was taken off S66 and remained out of service for a while they  before being placed in S67. If they intend on scrapping it, they would’ve sent it with the rest. Although not visible in the picture, T4018 may also have been retained. Both or C3748 only will probably be placed back in another set soon.
  S100S28 Station Master

I've been told S65 has retired. They have had their parts stripped and are soon headed to the scrapyard.
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

Is that standard procedure for any of the other S sets retired or just this particular set had parts taken of it? Just curious, wonder what those parts were? How many sets does that leave now? Also I take it that means soon another 15 cars will be sent to Chullora for scrap? (they seem to send them in batches of about 15 cars at a time)
  C3765 Junior Train Controller

Is that standard procedure for any of the other S sets retired or just this particular set had parts taken of it? Just curious, wonder what those parts were? How many sets does that leave now? Also I take it that means soon another 15 cars will be sent to Chullora for scrap? (they seem to send them in batches of about 15 cars at a time)
SydneyCider
It’s what they’ve done to all the cars before their last journey to Chullora. This brings the number of sets down to 12x 4-Car Sets (6x 8-Car Sets). A couple more cars from S103 should be sent. Then C3748 (ExS28)- T4018 (ExS104) - T4922 (ExS103) - C3XXX will probably form a new S103 similarly to the formation of the new S28.
  C3888 Station Staff

Saw two carriages at chullora today. A comeng power car and a standard trailer car. Couldn't see the numbers.
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

Might be of interest. Info on a Transport Heritage NSW board meeting from 28 May 2019. Has this to say, almost certainly to do with the S sets:-

New Heritage Transport Assets Coming to THNSW
THNSW are in discussions with Transport for NSW about the future preservation of electric rolling stock currently being phased out of the Sydney Trains network. Further information about this will be announced in the coming weeks.

https://www.thnsw.com.au/post/board-wrap-up-may-2019
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Wednesday, June 12, Evening Peak, the following S sets sighted in service:-

Carlingford Line services (daytime hours):-
Roster 48 operated by K set: K63.
Roster 49: S99.

Olympic Park Sprint services:-
Roster L1 operated by K set: K77.
Roster L2: S28.

Sector 2 (T2, T3, T8) services:-
B set Roster 14: S61/64.
K set Roster 37: S97/100.
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Saw two carriages at chullora today. A comeng power car and a standard trailer car. Couldn't see the numbers.
C3888
As of this evening, June 13, there are two cars still to be cut up: Cars 4157 and 4064.

These Cars are from the last batch sent to Chullora, sighted May 10.
There is a reasonable amount of spoil to be carted away, so possibly this maybe slowing the process.
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

Having a look at Scott's post from 10 May 2019, the last sets standing will probably be

S28 C3912-T4050-T4101-C3765
S56 C3861-T4968-T4961-C3862
S64 C3001
S123 C3915-T4002-T4926-C3986


From the above, C3915 can be removed to give space to C3001 and from there the final 3 sets could be re-arranged as

S28:    C3765-T4050-T4101-C3001
S56:    C3861-T4968-T4961-C3862 (stay as is)
S123:  C3912-D4002-T4926-C3986

S28 could feature both C3001 and T4101 together, being the first Goninan built and delivered power and trailer cars in late 1978. C3765 being the last Comeng Suburban power car delivered in May 1980.

S56 could feature both Mk 1 and Mk 2 Comeng Non Driving Trailers as well as the oldest Mk 2 power car in service (which may actually be C3862 not C3861), this car will probably set a record of about 45 yrs in service which will probably be the longest of any Comeng or Goninan S set power car.

S123 could feature both the first (C3912) and last (C3986) Comeng Mk 3 power cars. This contract was actually split in 2 (C3912 - C3936) and (C3937 - C3986). Also feature the driving control trailer (D4002).

In essence, both of C3861 and C3862 are not required, and you are also doubling up on T4926 and T4961, so one of each of the power and trailer cars could essentially be place holders for C3805 and T4150, which it may be chosen only to run these 2 rarely anyway because of some extra significance attached to them, in a similar way you probably wouldn't want to run the red set C3102 and T4279 every time. I'm also not sure of the significance of T4050, but if there is nothing to it, that's another example of a place holder for T4150 which is the carriage the Queen and Prince traveled on in 1980.

Anyhow, will be interesting to see what cars are finally kept, but those 3 sets would have everything covered along with C3805 and T4150. Would also have option of running a 4 or 8 car set or 2 x 4 car sets for some kind of special occasion.

For the record, Sunday, 23 June 2019 will be exactly 40 years to the day that the ESR was officially opened. C3001 and T4101 were the leading 2 cars of the first official train on the day (an 8 car set made up of all Goninan cars).

From what I understand, previously retained C3814 has now been stripped for parts and will go to scrap, so if S65 has indeed been stripped of parts that will be 3 motor cars and 2 trailers that have donated parts. Will be interesting to also see all up how many cars they strip for spares. Given what transpired with 8606, hopefully they'll keep ample pantographs!
  C3765 Junior Train Controller

those 3 sets would have everything covered
SydneyCider
The sets do not include a Mk 1 Driving Trailer Car.

From what I understand, previously retained C3814 has now been stripped for parts and will go to scrap
SydneyCider

They won’t scrap it. They only have three Mk1 Motor Cars left in existence, there’s no way it will be scrapped. Most likely it will be sent to Thirlmere to serve as a stationary, non operational display, along with a few other carriages.

so if S65 has indeed been stripped of parts that will be 3 motor cars and 2 trailers that have donated parts.
SydneyCider

Every single S Set carriage which has been retired so far including those that did back when the A Sets arrived has been stripped of parts at one of the maintenance centres before being sent to Chullora which is why they don’t travel to Chullora under their own power.

An 8 Car Set is to be preserved by Sydney Trains/HETS + 2 spares (Motor+trailer) and another 4 Cars will probably be kept operational by somewhere else. If C3814 is sent to Thirlmere, I’m sure it would be accompanied by 3 more cars.

The last few sets I think will be the following as SydneyCider has mentioned above:
S28 C3912-T4050-T4101-C3765
S56 C3861-T4968-T4961-C3862
S64 C3001-T4922 (maybe)-T4018 (maybe) -C3748 (95% sure)
S123 C3915-T4002-T4926-C3986
  AheadMatthewawsome Locomotive Driver

Location: Opening Train Lines
From information from the SET. 3 S sets were going to be retired this week. And there are 9 left. The last will go on June the 28th. And on either that day or on July the 28th. There will be a farewell celebration. Information is at the thread “Goodbye S Set!”
  C3765 Junior Train Controller

From information from the SET. 3 S sets were going to be retired this week. And there are 9 left. The last will go on June the 28th. And on either that day or on July the 28th. There will be a farewell celebration. Information is at the thread “Goodbye S Set!”
AheadMathewawsome
Who told you the last S Set is going on the 28th of June? I have not heard anyone else mention this and as there is an extra 2x 4-Car S Sets needed to run the Olympic Park Line and a couple backups until probably later on when the 17 new B Sets enter service. As I have explained many times in the past, once B24 enters service the it will be able to free up 2x 4 Car K Sets to operate on the Carlingford Line but not enough to replace the Olympic Park S Sets because of the Tangara Technology Upgrade.

In case you don’t know why the Tangara Technology Upgrade has anything to do with the S Sets, I will explain. Due to the delay of the TTU, they are accelerating the program by taking an extra 8 Car Tangara off of Sector 3. The Tangara is covered for by an 8 Car A Set from Sector 2, the Waratah roster is covered for by an 8 Car K Set (usually 2x 4 Car on the Olympic Park Line) which is allowed to do so thanks to 2x 4 Car S Sets which cover for those K Sets.  

Also you could’ve just said that in this thread instead of making that new thread because this thread basically covers the withdrawal/final runs/preservation of the S Sets.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Who told you the last S Set is going on the 28th of June?
C3765


In fairness to AheadMatthewAwsome, this is information I have received from internal sources as well. Gone by the end of the month.

Whether or not there’s any truth to it, remains to be seen. 10 days, let’s see how we go.
  C3765 Junior Train Controller

For about a week now, along with S123 and a couple V Set carriages, a 4-Car S Set has been parked at the back of FMC. It has a Mk2 Goninan Trailer Car and I think the rest were Comeng. I’m pretty sure it is S65 as S99, the other set which fits the description was parked on the closest road to the passenger lines. Another 4 or 8 Car Set (couldn’t tell because of a K Set directly next to it) was stored at FMC, the Motor Car which was visible was a Comeng, I think it was S56. Also sighted S61/S64 operating run 44 instead of its usual, run 14.

Sets in service are:


S28, S56, (S61-S64), (S97-S100), S99, (S113-S135) and S140.

Sets withdrawn/temporarily out of service:

S65, S103, S123 and S145

Edit: Actually it may have had a Goninan Motor Car as well so it may not be S65.

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