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  Halo Chief Train Controller

Seems the new substation for the Gawler line is going to be at Kilburn not dry Creek. Building is already half done.

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  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The boy wonder was on the news tonight trying to convince us that patronage will be improved by removing security guards from trains and putting them in cars so they can drive around and turn up somewhere half an hour after someone's been assaulted.

On a slightly related issue, does anyone know if a solution was eventually found to get the intercom buttons in 3000 class cars to connect through to the active cab in another car? These people blamed the driver for not answering when a woman collapsed in the rear car of a Gawler service the other day, but that might have been (unwittingly) incorrect if it was actually a technical limitation.


Seems the new substation for the Gawler line is going to be at Kilburn not dry Creek. Building is already half done.
Halo
This was confirmed early last year.

The Dry Creek rail depot site was the original preference, but the difficult arrangements for getting the 66kV distribution lines into that site tipped the decision in favour of finding another location.

What is not confirmed, however, is whether there will be any redundant feed-in points to allow a degraded service to continue while some incident is dealt with. If a driver crashes their car onto the line at, for example, Kings Road outside Parafield Airport and the power has to be isolated while the mess is cleaned up, a lack of redundant feed-in points will mean there is no chance of continuing to run a Salisbury-Gawler rail service with only Mawson Lakes to Salisbury needing to be covered by substitute buses.

Passenger numbers are constantly growing on the Gawler line even before the spark effect hits, so there will need to be a focus on service resilience at some point.
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

I am not absolutely sure of this but the emergency intercom to the driver should be able to be used from any car, but if it cannot be used then trains should not be running for safety's sake as if an incident as described happens Adelaide Metro could be held responsible if someone dies on the train. It might be the driver simply ignored it as a lot of times drunks, druggies and others push the button and there is no incident. I have seen a drunk person do it right in front of me actually.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I am not absolutely sure of this but the emergency intercom to the driver should be able to be used from any car, but if it cannot be used then trains should not be running for safety's sake as if an incident as described happens Adelaide Metro could be held responsible if someone dies on the train.
DJPeters
A train with the intercom accessible in just the front car is still of a higher standard than what they were before the internal refurbishment where they were added.

With that in mind, and provided that the emergency brake handles still work, I don't have a problem with them operating with the intercom available only in the front car.

But this should be transparent. If the technical limitation still hasn't been resolved, it should be communicated to the public so people can make informed choices when travelling (e.g. sit in the front car if there are no security guards) and put pressure on the government to do additional upgrades. The boy wonder could get himself an Assistant Minister for Bad News like Pat Conlon had (Chloe Fox) to make that sort of announcement - maybe David Speirs who deserves to be punished for fumbling the ball in the Environment and Water portfolio.

If you look around at what other operators around the world are doing with 1980s vintage trains, you'll see that the 30xx/31xx class cars are some of the most heavily upgraded rail vehicles in the world. Lots of operators would just keep them going without changing anything or doing the bare minimum until they are ready to be retired. Credit has to go where credit is due, governments of both parties have done a good job looking after this class.

It might be the driver simply ignored it as a lot of times drunks, druggies and others push the button and there is no incident. I have seen a drunk person do it right in front of me actually.
DJPeters
That's a rather heavy accusation for a rail enthusiast (as opposed to normal passengers) to make against drivers without some very solid evidence, and was the original point for me asking if anyone knew whether the intercom problem had been fixed yet.

Ignoring potential emergencies without making any attempt to determine whether they are legitimate would surely be a firing offence, and potentially even wilful negligence which could see a driver jailed if it contributed to someone getting killed. I would hope they wouldn't do that lightly.

I've emailed Adelaide Metro and the Minister's office asking for confirmation that the intercom issues were sorted out. Maybe I should also contact the union to give them a chance to verify it independently and either clear their name or issue a warning to recalcitrant members.

I suppose there is a third option - that the procedure is for the driver to respond once stopped at the next station or a signal, by which time the people at the intercom would probably have given up on that avenue for seeking assistance. But if that is true it comes back to transparency again, the intercom instructions should read that the driver will respond at the next stop so people don't think the driver is ignoring them.
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

I am not absolutely sure of this but the emergency intercom to the driver should be able to be used from any car, but if it cannot be used then trains should not be running for safety's sake as if an incident as described happens Adelaide Metro could be held responsible if someone dies on the train.
A train with the intercom accessible in just the front car is still of a higher standard than what they were before the internal refurbishment where they were added.

With that in mind, and provided that the emergency brake handles still work, I don't have a problem with them operating with the intercom available only in the front car.

But this should be transparent. If the technical limitation still hasn't been resolved, it should be communicated to the public so people can make informed choices when travelling (e.g. sit in the front car if there are no security guards) and put pressure on the government to do additional upgrades. The boy wonder could get himself an Assistant Minister for Bad News like Pat Conlon had (Chloe Fox) to make that sort of announcement - maybe David Speirs who deserves to be punished for fumbling the ball in the Environment and Water portfolio.

If you look around at what other operators around the world are doing with 1980s vintage trains, you'll see that the 30xx/31xx class cars are some of the most heavily upgraded rail vehicles in the world. Lots of operators would just keep them going without changing anything or doing the bare minimum until they are ready to be retired. Credit has to go where credit is due, governments of both parties have done a good job looking after this class.

It might be the driver simply ignored it as a lot of times drunks, druggies and others push the button and there is no incident. I have seen a drunk person do it right in front of me actually.
That's a rather heavy accusation for a rail enthusiast (as opposed to normal passengers) to make against drivers without some very solid evidence, and was the original point for me asking if anyone knew whether the intercom problem had been fixed yet.

Ignoring potential emergencies without making any attempt to determine whether they are legitimate would surely be a firing offence, and potentially even wilful negligence which could see a driver jailed if it contributed to someone getting killed. I would hope they wouldn't do that lightly.

I've emailed Adelaide Metro and the Minister's office asking for confirmation that the intercom issues were sorted out. Maybe I should also contact the union to give them a chance to verify it independently and either clear their name or issue a warning to recalcitrant members.

I suppose there is a third option - that the procedure is for the driver to respond once stopped at the next station or a signal, by which time the people at the intercom would probably have given up on that avenue for seeking assistance. But if that is true it comes back to transparency again, the intercom instructions should read that the driver will respond at the next stop so people don't think the driver is ignoring them.
justapassenger
I agree with what you say here and I did not mean to imply that the driver deliberatly ignored it , but in driving the train they have so much to do it might not have registered with him that it actually operated or something, the driver may have been concentrating on something else a signal or a failure or something of that nature and simply just overlooked answering. Just saying though, but yes if they deliberately did not answer it or they have been instructed to ignore it for whatever reason then questions should be asked about passenger safety at all times on trains.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

39.6mm of rain in the last nine hours.

I wonder if the North-South Motorway is still there.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
It seems we're going through another stage of people driving onto the Obahn - another one again on Thursday night: Adelaide Now
This time a massive bloody 4WD that had to be craned off the tracks...
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Progress on the Pym Street to Regency Road section of the North-South - one or two houses disappeared after Easter but now there's been dozens bulldozed on both sides. I drive that way frequently so it's interesting to keep tabs on what's going on.  They actually demolished three houses deep near the soccer oval - there was a lot sixties cream brick and fibro so nothing that will be greatly missed (the former owners will beg to differ I guess!). Hopefully they'll be conservative with the public reserve.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

State budget to include the first round of funding for the grade separation of level crossings at Brighton Road and Torrens Road.

https://indaily.com.au/news/2019/06/17/notorious-level-crossings-targeted-in-state-budget/
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Cue the complaints from commuters about the lines being shut down again...
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Brighton Road would be a tough one to do without a major rail closure as this government won't spend the big bucks on buying all the properties needed to do a road-based option and there isn't the space that was available at Oaklands to build a rail-based option alongside the existing line. The positive aspect of it for Brighton Road would be that bustitution can be done over just 3km (between Brighton and Oaklands) without closing the whole line.

If a road-based option for Brighton Road is to be ruled out, I'd expect a rail underpass to be preferred as that is a very blue area on the electoral map and the Libs won't want to piss off wealthy property owners by putting up a massive concrete edifice.

Road over should be chosen for Torrens Road, which would have relatively minimal impacts on rail and would open up the option of doing a little more to better integrate the local road network. Exeter Tce and Drayton St could be linked under the overpass for improved local connectivity, and the Torrens/Churchill junction could be grade separated by having northbound traffic turning onto Churchill Road given a lane descending to cross under the overpass like the Shepherds Hill Road flyover.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Are we going to see a 30+ year old plan dusted off for the Ovingham crossing?   The land on the north side of Torrens Road was acquired years ago.

Road under rail would be easier at Hove.    A few shops would need to be acquired and the heritage listed old council chambers.
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

I seem to remember that 30 years or maybe a bit less years ago that Ovingham bridge was going to be done, but along came some land developer on Hindmarsh Island opposite Goolwa that demanded a bridge be built to replace the ferry there so the money for Ovingham Bridge was used to build the bridge at Goolwa. Not a good move really even back then, but it was done. Well that was the pollies excuse for Ovingham not going ahead at the time.

But yes the land for the bridge etc has been waiting there for about 30 years for the actual bridge to be built.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I seem to remember that 30 years or maybe a bit less years ago that Ovingham bridge was going to be done, but along came some land developer on Hindmarsh Island opposite Goolwa that demanded a bridge be built to replace the ferry there so the money for Ovingham Bridge was used to build the bridge at Goolwa. Not a good move really even back then, but it was done. Well that was the pollies excuse for Ovingham not going ahead at the time.

But yes the land for the bridge etc has been waiting there for about 30 years for the actual bridge to be built.
DJPeters
They could relocate Ovingham station underneath the bridge so its accessible from both sides of Torrens Road... but that would probably make too much sense.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

They could relocate Ovingham station underneath the bridge so its accessible from both sides of Torrens Road... but that would probably make too much sense.
don_dunstan
No need to relocate the station and make the project any more expensive than it needs to be, just build a path alongside the railway (for both station access and the Gawler Greenway) under the bridge.

At most, build in some passive provision to allow for the theoretical possibility of there one day being so much money available that the state debt has been paid off and everything more useful than shifting stations a few metres has been done.
  mawsonboii Locomotive Fireman

The bridge at Goolwa to Hindmarsh Island is a joke. They did it cheap and didn't acquire enough land to build it properly. If you walk over the bridge it feels like you're going to get blown off it.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The Hindmarsh Island Bridge might be many things, but one of things was not ‘done on the cheap’.

It’s a two lane bridge, with a pedestrian walkway, how much land do you think they should have acquired?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I've been there a number of times and certainly don't remember ever seeing enough traffic to justify more than one lane each way.

The bridge was built by the same Liberal state government which built the Southern Expressway, so I'm surprised that it wasn't built as one reversible lane and traffic lights at each approach.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I've been there a number of times and certainly don't remember ever seeing enough traffic to justify more than one lane each way.

The bridge was built by the same Liberal state government which built the Southern Expressway, so I'm surprised that it wasn't built as one reversible lane and traffic lights at each approach.
justapassenger
Can't recall: was that Dean Brown or John Olsen who came up with that brilliant idea?
  mawsonboii Locomotive Fireman

The Hindmarsh Island Bridge might be many things, but one of things was not ‘done on the cheap’.

It’s a two lane bridge, with a pedestrian walkway, how much land do you think they should have acquired?
Aaron
Enough land to have made it long enough so it doesn't look a camels hump. It's ugly AF.
  mawsonboii Locomotive Fireman

I've been there a number of times and certainly don't remember ever seeing enough traffic to justify more than one lane each way.

The bridge was built by the same Liberal state government which built the Southern Expressway, so I'm surprised that it wasn't built as one reversible lane and traffic lights at each approach.
Can't recall: was that Dean Brown or John Olsen who came up with that brilliant idea?
don_dunstan
The bridge was built during Rann's Labor Government, So if it wasn't his government that did it it would have had to be Olsen.
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

It now seems that the new Port Dock Station extentsion is shelved due to costs.

https://indaily.com.au/news/2019/06/20/marshall-govt-derails-port-dock-railway-line/


  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The bridge was built during Rann's Labor Government, So if it wasn't his government that did it it would have had to be Olsen.
mawsonboii
The bridge was opened in March 2001, over a year before Rann became premier following the March 2002 state election.

Construction of the Southern Expressway began in July 1995, when Dean Brown was the premier. The first stage (Bedford Park to Reynella) opened in December 1997, by which time John Olsen had been premier for just over a year.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

It now seems that the new Port Dock Station extentsion is shelved due to costs.

https://indaily.com.au/news/2019/06/20/marshall-govt-derails-port-dock-railway-line/
DJPeters
I'm not surprised.

It was quite a weak project from the very start, and even the ALP government didn't seem to be that interested in pulling the trigger and getting on with it.

The funding can be used to pay for a small portion of the blowouts on the Darlington Upgrade (also confirmed today to have been delayed by many months) and Flinders Link projects.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
NRM I guess won't need to worry about disposing of stock.

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