Sydney Trains S Set - Scrapping has recommenced :(

 
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

From what has been posted on the SETS website it seems that cars to be retained officially are motor cars C3805, C3862, C3986, C3765 and C3001. Trailers T4961, T4101, T4150, T4013 and T4050. That's the current list as it stands with 4 more to be kept.

Based on what has been said in this thread, C3861 and C3912 have been moved around (which has been the case for the other cars to make the preserved list), but it is hard to say whether they will make it. These 2 cars are stand outs in so far as appearance/body condition from what I've seen out of the Comeng power cars, particularly the front cab/faces which over time some cars have appeared like they have passed through some battle fields! 3861 and 3862 were apparently delivered in December 1974 although 3861 didn't enter service until February 1975, 2 months after 3862 which entered service shortly after delivered. From what I've seen of both cars, I think C3861 would've been the more ideal preservation pick due to it's appearance of the front cab face. I believe C3862 once had an experimental route indicator fitted to it temporarily which is why it's got like a small plugged up hole to the top right of/above the driver's cab window.

Whatever the case, props goes to Sydney Trains, THNSW and all those who lobbied or worked to get this many cars preserved. A total of 14. Will be interesting to see the final 4. There is a public farewell trip also planned for July 21 so between that and the recent staff/invite only farewell they've certainly been/will get a good send off

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  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Whatever the case, props goes to Sydney Trains, THNSW and all those who lobbied or worked to get this many cars preserved. A total of 14. Will be interesting to see the final 4. There is a public farewell trip also planned for July 21 so between that and the recent staff/invite only farewell they've certainly been/will get a good send off
SydneyCider
The press event?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BzMmBqSHuJL/

I wouldn't have called that a staff farewell; while there were staff there, not nearly as many as I'd have expected.
  C3765 Junior Train Controller

From what has been posted on the SETS website it seems that cars to be retained officially are motor cars C3805, C3862, C3986, C3765 and C3001. Trailers T4961, T4101, T4150, T4013 and T4050. That's the current list as it stands with 4 more to be kept.
SydneyCider
T4002 or T4003 will be preserved. T4002 is older, however T4003 is in better condition so I think T4003 should be the one to be preserved. T4002 has its headlights covered up and is missing its blue guard lights. They should replace T4050 with T4003 in the second set (S5) as it is closer to its original condition.
C3862 is as you have mentioned the longest serving Series 2 Motor Car but it was also the first carriage to receive the Blue Guards Light although that does not make it that significant.

The reason they chose the consist C3001-T4101-T4961-C3862 is probably because it has a Goninan Motor Car, a standard Goninan Trailer Car, a standard Comeng Trailer Car and a standard Comeng Motor Car. The

I think when they put aside cars like T4926, C3748, T4018, C3912 and C3861, they did that incase any of the above cars were unable to be preserved for whatever reason.

It is unfortunate, C3805 is ending up as a museum display instead of part of an operational set. I would’ve liked C3805 and C3765 to run together in a set. The first and last S Set Motor cars operating together would’ve been awesome.
  AheadMatthewawsome Locomotive Driver

Location: Opening Train Lines
They can always do it in the future. C3805 in the future can get it’s operational gear restored. Or get some spare parts. Or make new parts. It could happen one day. It is not impossible.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
They can always do it in the future. C3805 in the future can get it’s operational gear restored. Or get some spare parts. Or make new parts. It could happen one day. It is not impossible.
AheadMatthewawsome
Do you plan to pay for that to make it happen?
  AheadMatthewawsome Locomotive Driver

Location: Opening Train Lines
I would fund either SETS or HET to do it when I am Transport Minister. I am planning to be the government. All the way up to Governor General!
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
That’s... not how it works.
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

From what has been posted on the SETS website it seems that cars to be retained officially are motor cars C3805, C3862, C3986, C3765 and C3001. Trailers T4961, T4101, T4150, T4013 and T4050. That's the current list as it stands with 4 more to be kept.
T4002 or T4003 will be preserved. T4002 is older, however T4003 is in better condition so I think T4003 should be the one to be preserved. T4002 has its headlights covered up and is missing its blue guard lights. They should replace T4050 with T4003 in the second set (S5) as it is closer to its original condition.
C3862 is as you have mentioned the longest serving Series 2 Motor Car but it was also the first carriage to receive the Blue Guards Light although that does not make it that significant.

It is unfortunate, C3805 is ending up as a museum display instead of part of an operational set. I would’ve liked C3805 and C3765 to run together in a set. The first and last S Set Motor cars operating together would’ve been awesome.
C3765

I think that with preservation, while one can and should consider history of individual cars the most important thing is mechanical and physical condition, including how good (or close to perfect) the car looks, which is why I brought up the choice of C3861 being preferable to C3862, purely for aesthetic reasons. Whether a car is slightly older, or been in service a bit longer, etc, should be secondary to running condition and/or outward appearance. Same thing, if D4003 is in better condition to D4002, then 4003 should be picked.

In terms of C3805. I believe HET (according to updates on their site) have gotten a bunch of spare parts from Flemington MC and C3814 has been or is in the process of being completely stripped for spares and will go to scrap, so on the parts front C3805 will probably be OK. But they have a ton of other things to do in regards to F1, W3, etc and there will be operational S set cars already available with those just retired
  C3765 Junior Train Controller

Aside from S103 and S123 at the back of FMC. All other S Sets had there pantos up, interior lighting switched on and head/tail lights switched on as well. As of today, all remaining sets are still operational and have not yet been stripped of parts, hopefully they will run multiple sets or all remaining sets on the 21st of July before forming the official heritage sets.

Edit: Similarly to how multiple red sets were parked on the harbour bridge to farewell them. I don’t expect them to do exactly that as it will disrupt services but I would definitely like to see more than one 4 Car Set. They should run an 8 Car Set on each of the lines so that they can cover more locations while allowing us to farewell each of the remaining set. It is unlikely they would do something like that however, I am hopeful they will organise an event that will exceed my expectations.
  Kset56 Station Master

Location: Somewhere
Are there any S-sets substituting for K/C sets today?
  AheadMatthewawsome Locomotive Driver

Location: Opening Train Lines
Are there any S-sets substituting for K/C sets today?
Kset56
No. As you have not noticed I will tell you.

The S Sets ran their last service at 00:02 PM on Saturday The 29th Day Of June 2019. There are no more services done by a S Set.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Are there any S-sets substituting for K/C sets today?
No. As you have not noticed I will tell you.

The S Sets ran their last service at 00:02 PM on Saturday The 29th Day Of June 2019. There are no more services done by a S Set.
AheadMatthewawsome
I would not be so sure. Anything is possible.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Are there any S-sets substituting for K/C sets today?
No. As you have not noticed I will tell you.

The S Sets ran their last service at 00:02 PM on Saturday The 29th Day Of June 2019. There are no more services done by a S Set.
AheadMatthewawsome
Things aren’t that black and white in this city.

Yes, the official service was the 00:02 Lidcombe on Saturday Morning - but “Operational Requirements” might mean that they need to use one unofficially.
  AheadMatthewawsome Locomotive Driver

Location: Opening Train Lines
Yeah.... They have six ready to go out if anything happens. But it would be EXTREMELY RARE!
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Oh god, it’s that line.

I don’t think you know what rare means
  C3888 Station Staff

From what has been posted on the SETS website it seems that cars to be retained officially are motor cars C3805, C3862, C3986, C3765 and C3001. Trailers T4961, T4101, T4150, T4013 and T4050. That's the current list as it stands with 4 more to be kept.
T4002 or T4003 will be preserved. T4002 is older, however T4003 is in better condition so I think T4003 should be the one to be preserved. T4002 has its headlights covered up and is missing its blue guard lights. They should replace T4050 with T4003 in the second set (S5) as it is closer to its original condition.
C3862 is as you have mentioned the longest serving Series 2 Motor Car but it was also the first carriage to receive the Blue Guards Light although that does not make it that significant.

It is unfortunate, C3805 is ending up as a museum display instead of part of an operational set. I would’ve liked C3805 and C3765 to run together in a set. The first and last S Set Motor cars operating together would’ve been awesome.

I think that with preservation, while one can and should consider history of individual cars the most important thing is mechanical and physical condition, including how good (or close to perfect) the car looks, which is why I brought up the choice of C3861 being preferable to C3862, purely for aesthetic reasons. Whether a car is slightly older, or been in service a bit longer, etc, should be secondary to running condition and/or outward appearance. Same thing, if D4003 is in better condition to D4002, then 4003 should be picked.

In terms of C3805. I believe HET (according to updates on their site) have gotten a bunch of spare parts from Flemington MC and C3814 has been or is in the process of being completely stripped for spares and will go to scrap, so on the parts front C3805 will probably be OK. But they have a ton of other things to do in regards to F1, W3, etc and there will be operational S set cars already available with those just retired
SydneyCider
Why did they wait till now to scrap C3814? It was preserved along side C3805 and T4150 back in 2014 and I think was in operable condition. Plus they can get all the parts they need from FMC and chullora since there is little to no difference between series 1,2 and 3 carriages.
  AheadMatthewawsome Locomotive Driver

Location: Opening Train Lines
There was a 3rd Series? Never heard such a thing?! Tell me! *pants*
  C3765 Junior Train Controller

10 of the 14 carriages to be preserved were announced on the 1st of July. Theses were:

Sydney Trains/HET (Operational Sets)

Set 1 (Ex S56): C3862-T4961-T4101-C3001
(Official Set)

Set 2 (Ex S28): C3765-T4050-T4013 (Ex S100)-C3986
(Extra Set to form an 8 Car Set)

Thirlmere (Non Operational)

C3805-T4150-C3804

Another 4 Cars are to be preserved to form a third set. From my observations of cars which have been moved from one set to another, I think the final consist will be something similar to this:

Set 3: C3861-T4926-T4003-C3912
  C3888 Station Staff

There was a 3rd Series? Never heard such a thing?! Tell me! *pants*
AheadMatthewawsome
Comeng series 1: C3805-3857
Comeng series 2: C3858-3911
Comeng series 3: C3912-3986
Comeng series 4: C3741-3765
Goninan: C3001-3080

all Comeng cars are very similar except for the peaked ends of series 1 cars and the headlights on series 4.
Goninan cars all have flat fronts and different side vents.
(This only includes power cars)
  C3765 Junior Train Controller

Comeng series 1: C3805-3857 Comeng series 2: C3858-3911 Comeng series 3: C3912-3986 Comeng series 4: C3741-3765 Goninan: C3001-3080 all Comeng cars are very similar except for the peaked ends of series 1 cars and the headlights on series 4. Goninan cars all have flat fronts and different side vents. (This only includes power cars)
C3888
Wrong, you can’t trust Wikipedia.
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

10 of the 14 carriages to be preserved were announced on the 1st of July. Theses were:

Sydney Trains/HET (Operational Sets)

Set 1 (Ex S56): C3862-T4961-T4101-C3001
(Official Set)

Set 2 (Ex S28): C3765-T4050-T4013 (Ex S100)-C3986
(Extra Set to form an 8 Car Set)

Thirlmere (Non Operational)

C3805-T4150-C3804

Another 4 Cars are to be preserved to form a third set. From my observations of cars which have been moved from one set to another, I think the final consist will be something similar to this:

Set 3: C3861-T4926-T4003-C3912

C3765
Was there any recent movements of these 4 cars you mentioned in set 3? T4003 was part of S135 which did the final revenue run. If Set 3 ends up being like what you mentioned above, that will be a pretty good set. C3861 and C3862 were both delivered in December 1974 and C3912 was the first of the large Comeng Mark 3 order and a good counter part to C3986 which was the last - also, from what I've seen of photos, both C3861 and C3912 are good looking cars in their condition/appearance. If they keep these 2 cars, that would be pretty good, along with the driving control trailer 4003. The Comeng cars in particular are the ones that will go/have gone extinct now with the last of the S sets out of service. The Goninan look (eg C3001 and T4101) will continue more or less with the K sets and there will probably eventually be one 4 car K set preserved.
  C3765 Junior Train Controller

I found a bit more on two of the preserved cars.

T4050 - Back when it was still D4050 a functioning driving trailer car, it and C3954 travelled along the Eastern Suburbs Line as the first Double Deck cars to do so. T4050 also had the blue strip city decker livery.

T4013 - It is one of the original driving trailer cars. It was also sent to Wollongong to be hauled by a 48 Class locomotive.
  C3765 Junior Train Controller

Another group of S Sets were taken to Chullora today, 24 cars in length.

The cars were transferred in this order:

Front

8123                                            (Coupled to C3902)
S97: C3902-T4057-T4039-C3074    (Coupled to T4166)
S64: T4166-T4111-C3935              (Coupled to T4046)
S135: T4046-C3972                       (Coupled to C3916)
S113: C3916-T4056-T4028-C3940  (Coupled to C3922)
S99: C3922-T4950-T4106-C3913    (Coupled to T4941)
S100: T4941-C3016                      (Coupled to C3925)
S103: C3925-T4076-T4922-C3892  (Coupled to 8174)
8174

S Sets left at FMC:

S28: C3765-T4050-C3912
S56: C3001-T4101-T4961-C3862
S61: C3930-T4030-T4037-C3931
S64: C3861
S100: T4013-C3891
S123: C3971-T4926-T4002-C3986
S135: C3871-T4003
S140: C3057-T4141-T4983-C3947

After S28 gets its new consist (S28: C3765-T4013-T4050-C3986) they could form 6x 4-Car Sets like this:

Preserved

S56: C3001-T4101-T4961-C3862

Not preserved yet

S61: C3930-T4030-T4037-C3931
S123: C3971-T4926-T4002-C3912 (Ex S28)
S135: C3871-T4003-C3891 (Ex S100)-C3861 (Ex S64)
S140: C3057-T4141-T4983-C3947


The S Sets probably won’t be used again but I’m guessing from the above that S61-S140 have been kept as an 8 Car standby set. The cars from S123 and S135 will probably be where they choose their final 4-Cars for preservation. My guess is C3861-T4926-T4003-C3912 will be preserved however they may surprise us and preserve more than 14 cars. T4983 might be preserved instead of T4926. Anyone think any other cars from the above are worth preserving?
  SydneyCider Chief Train Controller

C3861 is one of the oldest cars (delivered December 1974 with 3862) and C3912 is the first of the large Mark 3 Contract. Those two might make it in a set formation along the lines of what you mentioned (C3861-T4926-D4003-C3912). From what I've seen of photos, C3861 seems to be a very "photogenic" car despite it's age and long service (ie, it's lack of dings/bumps/dents in it's face or body that quite a few other cars got), similar can be said for C3912. Given that the most significant Comeng power cars have been set aside (C3805, C3765, C3986, etc) these 2 would probably be next in line of significance. The Comeng cars particular were very distinctive in their look which now is consigned to the history books. While the Goninan look will still continue with the K sets. There's a chance C3057 might  be kept as a second Goninan power car, but we'll see. I think it's probably now the only other one left with C3001 now that C3016 and C3074 have been sent to scrap.

Out of the various contracts so far 2 type of cars haven't been officially set aside, a Comeng Mk 2 Non Driving Trailer (T4963 - T4987 range) or a Driving Control Trailer with cab intact (D4002 or D4003). With these, which ever one is in better/more original condition, including physical/body condition, is the one to go for.

Does T4968 still exist? It is one of only 2 Mk 2 Comeng trailers left now with T4983, so perhaps 1 of these 2 might make it.

Also, do C3748 and C3976 still exist as well?

I'll perhaps make a post later of some photos I've found of some of the now (fewer) survivors.
  C3765 Junior Train Controller

Does T4968 still exist? It is one of only 2 Mk 2 Comeng trailers left now with T4983, so perhaps 1 of these 2 might make it.
SydneyCider
Oops, sorry I forgot to add T4968 which is why I wrote “24 cars in length” and listed only 23 cars. T4968 (Ex S56) was taken to Chullora with the others between C3935 (Ex S64) and T4046 (Ex S135) just by itself. The rest of the original S56 (C3862-T4961-C3861) are safe although C3861 is no longer with the other two. So that makes T4983 of S140 the sole survivor of the Comeng Mk2 Trailers. I think it’ll be preserved. C3912-T4983-T4003-C3861 is most likely going to be the consist of the third set. Maybe they’ll keep a few more at museums other than Thirlmere. They deliberately saved T4926 from Chullora and that would make 15 cars if it’s preserved so maybe they changed their minds. Maybe the big announcement they said they are gonna make on the 21st of July is “We’ve decided to preserve 8 more cars.” C3057 is another great Car which could be preserved if there wasn’t a limit to 14. They’ve scrapped so many S Set cars which could’ve lived on in a museum or a nice patch of grass that I’m pretty sure there are more single deck red sets in existence than the S Sets now. They never should’ve set a number.

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