Moorebank Intermodal Terminal

 
  decry1234 Station Master

This project is gaining momentum now.

Anybody have info regarding opening of the IMEX facility?

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  simstrain Chief Commissioner

construction has started and it should be opening in the next year or 2.
  firefox Station Master

construction has started and it should be opening in the next year or 2.
simstrain
Third quarter of 2019 according to Qube's last Annual Report.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

construction has started and it should be opening in the next year or 2.
Third quarter of 2019 according to Qube's last Annual Report.
firefox

I don't think it is that close to being finished. I will take a drive out that way soon but last time I drove past there was quite a lot of work to do that won't get finished by the third quarter of this year.
  decry1234 Station Master

From what i've observed construction is well advanced with the main track network connecting the smaller IMEX facility to the SSFL via the Y link in place and ballasted.

ARTC have also installed new signals & relocated others on the SSFL main and loop lines.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

last time I went past there were bridges being constructed and land being cleared. No buildings were up and it was just foundations and ground levelling.
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Commissioning of the route setting activities, signal aspect testing and points movements will commence on the 12th of July 2019 until the 15th of July 2019.
  Piston Train Controller

The track diagram on the ARTC Safe Notice 2-4288 shows four dead end 674 metre long sidings that terminate using a loco traverser instead of the usual turnouts. Is this a first?
  decry1234 Station Master

Video update from April with views of the IMEX terminal construction, SSFL connection work & Georges River bridge can and be found here... http://qubemlp.com.au/2019/04/30/april-2019-project-update/

Also the Moorebank Logistics Park concept here...

Qube Moorebank Logistics Park Overview by Qube
  SinickleBird Chief Train Controller

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
Excellent animation. And I really like the loco traverser - clever.
  The_trolley Deputy Commissioner

Location: .
Until the traverser breaks down putting a stop to all run around moves resulting in additional complicated shunting.

There’s a lot to be said for simplicity at times and a traverser isn’t a manual set of points.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I am surprised there is only 4 tracks in to the site.
  decry1234 Station Master

I am surprised there is only 4 tracks in to the site.
simstrain
As i understand it the smaller IMEX terminal will be for the MLP to Port Botany shuttles/trip trains.

The larger open access interstate terminal will be built as the second stage on the western side of Moorebank Avenue which i assume will be able to handle 1500-1800 metre trains.

http://www.micl.com.au/theprecinct
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop
The track diagram on the ARTC Safe Notice 2-4288 shows four dead end 674 metre long sidings that terminate using a loco traverser instead of the usual turnouts. Is this a first?
Piston
Latest "Nearmap" image seems to indicate traverser is approximately 25.0m long or one (1) locomotive long whilst the artist impression animation shows two (2) locos hauling trains from Botany.

Traversers used at the end of sidings in NSW are not new, there have been several, although for wagons only, North Strathfield, Rhodes and Darling Island come to mind.

While a traverser does saves a lot of real estate on the site by the removal of a series of points at the end of the sidings, (Nearmap shows the points ladder to be approx.100.0m long at the site entry) it would appear that the locos will still need to be uncoupled and shunted from each other each time if two (2) are used (typically) at the traverser.

Regards,

Catchpoint
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop
Until the traverser breaks down putting a stop to all run around moves resulting in additional complicated shunting.

There’s a lot to be said for simplicity at times and a traverser isn’t a manual set of points.
The_trolley

Or when wagons are accidentally shunted into traverser pit...

Regards,

Catchpoint
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I am surprised there is only 4 tracks in to the site.
As i understand it the smaller IMEX terminal will be for the MLP to Port Botany shuttles/trip trains.

The larger open access interstate terminal will be built as the second stage on the western side of Moorebank Avenue which i assume will be able to handle 1500-1800 metre trains.

http://www.micl.com.au/theprecinct
decry1234

If the map in this link was correct then why did they bother with building the moorebank road underpass for the rail? I think some things have changed.
  The_trolley Deputy Commissioner

Location: .
Most of Qube’s Sydney trip trains are worked by single 14 (MZ) class locomotives which will ride the traverser comfortably. However, how do you run around an incoming train with two back to 1100’s and have them in the same back to back configuration at the end of the run around using the single engine traverser?More time consuming shunting is how.

The traverser; a wonderful solution to a problem that never existed brought to you by an engineer and a design team with no real world experience.
  decry1234 Station Master

If the map in this link was correct then why did they bother with building the moorebank road underpass for the rail? I think some things have changed.
simstrain
Here's another similar version... http://qubemlp.com.au/about/masterplan/

The current Moorebank Avenue will be re-aligned around the eastern precinct as per the original map i linked you. The current Moorebank Avenue will likely become part of the internal road network and i would imagine the overpass will be part of this.

Recently there has been ongoing land surveying and traffic flow analysis via cameras placed at various intersections and roundabouts on the Moorebank Ave - Cambridge Avenue - Glenfield Road - Campbelltown Road corridor.

https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/projects/sydney-west/cambridge-ave-glenfield-upgrade/index.html

I imagine long term that corridor will be need to be directly connected to the Hume Highway as the current arrangements at the Hume Highway / M5 / Moorebank Avenue interchanges will not handle the increase in truck traffic to and from the intermodal.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

The track diagram on the ARTC Safe Notice 2-4288 shows four dead end 674 metre long sidings that terminate using a loco traverser instead of the usual turnouts. Is this a first?
Piston
Are they really that pressed for space that a traverser is necessary?
  M636C Minister for Railways

Most of Qube’s Sydney trip trains are worked by single 14 (MZ) class locomotives which will ride the traverser comfortably. However, how do you run around an incoming train with two back to 1100’s and have them in the same back to back configuration at the end of the run around using the single engine traverser?More time consuming shunting is how.

The traverser; a wonderful solution to a problem that never existed brought to you by an engineer and a design team with no real world experience.
The_trolley
The problem can be overcome by providing a track on the far side of the traverser on the arrival roads.
The first loco is uncoupled and run ahead, the second loco is moved first.
The two locos end up in the same arrangement as they arrived.

Most traversers were used in workshops. There was one at Eveleigh Carriage shops and one at Comeng that I recall seeing.
They mostly had tracks on both sides.

I understand that there was a traverser at the Goulburn Locomotive Depot at the north end of the yard, before the present roundhouse was built.

An alternative requiring a bit more space would be a turntable which would allow a single ended locomotive to be turned.

Peter
  The_trolley Deputy Commissioner

Location: .
Only an engineer would try to justify another engineers logic by further complicating the original idea Peter! Points for trying though.

There’s no turntable, there’s no road the other side of the traverser and there’s not going to be. So, with a traditional set of manual points how to do you run two locomotives around the train? You cut off, run clear of the points and go back the other way. Even with a road the other side of the traverser as described you’re still splitting locomotives, performing separate moves and reamalgamating them. In no ones eyes could that be seen as efficient other than by someone trying to save space on a plan.

Traversers have a place in the world. Workshops, confined flour mills etc. Not at the end of four 600 metre roads with incoming multiple unit combination on the head end.

It’ll be interesting to see how the traverser pays off when it suffers a failure and a part needs to go to Western Sydney for rebuilding or the lead time on a replacement component is six weeks out of Europe. It’s going to be a lot of extra shunting that’s for sure.

Keep it simple stupid as they say.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Until the traverser breaks down putting a stop to all run around moves resulting in additional complicated shunting.

There’s a lot to be said for simplicity at times and a traverser isn’t a manual set of points.
The_trolley
Always one Mr Negative.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Only an engineer would try to justify another engineers logic by further complicating the original idea Peter! Points for trying though.

There’s no turntable, there’s no road the other side of the traverser and there’s not going to be. So, with a traditional set of manual points how to do you run two locomotives around the train? You cut off, run clear of the points and go back the other way. Even with a road the other side of the traverser as described you’re still splitting locomotives, performing separate moves and reamalgamating them. In no ones eyes could that be seen as efficient other than by someone trying to save space on a plan.

Traversers have a place in the world. Workshops, confined flour mills etc. Not at the end of four 600 metre roads with incoming multiple unit combination on the head end.

It’ll be interesting to see how the traverser pays off when it suffers a failure and a part needs to go to Western Sydney for rebuilding or the lead time on a replacement component is six weeks out of Europe. It’s going to be a lot of extra shunting that’s for sure.

Keep it simple stupid as they say.
The_trolley
It is a simple solution. You can't compare this to old world traversers. So the occasional freight car falls in. Its obviously a small risk compared to the advantages. I think its brilliant.
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

Only an engineer would try to justify another engineers logic by further complicating the original idea Peter! Points for trying though.

There’s no turntable, there’s no road the other side of the traverser and there’s not going to be. So, with a traditional set of manual points how to do you run two locomotives around the train? You cut off, run clear of the points and go back the other way. Even with a road the other side of the traverser as described you’re still splitting locomotives, performing separate moves and reamalgamating them. In no ones eyes could that be seen as efficient other than by someone trying to save space on a plan.

Traversers have a place in the world. Workshops, confined flour mills etc. Not at the end of four 600 metre roads with incoming multiple unit combination on the head end.

It’ll be interesting to see how the traverser pays off when it suffers a failure and a part needs to go to Western Sydney for rebuilding or the lead time on a replacement component is six weeks out of Europe. It’s going to be a lot of extra shunting that’s for sure.

Keep it simple stupid as they say.
It is a simple solution. You can't compare this to old world traversers. So the occasional freight car falls in. Its obviously a small risk compared to the advantages. I think its brilliant.
nswtrains
It's not simple compared to a set of points.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The Imex trains are not run double ended. They are run with a loco at each end because of limited space at port botany and so there will probably not be a need to split trains up on the traverser.

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