Can trains legally stop at a former station?

 
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

Hypothetically, there is a bushfire that has only recently started beyond General Motors station. A Metro train is approaching it and obviously does not want to continue. Could it use General Motors to allow the passengers to alight if need be? Maybe not the best example.

How about railfan trains. Can they stop and allow passengers to alight at former stations, especially on active passenger train lines?

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  Dave C Chief Train Controller

Location: Maitland
There are several issues with your thoughts if your going to just dump then there:-

1. Are you placing your Passengers in additional danger?

2. How do they make there way from where they are dropped off.

are the obvious ones.

In most cases keeping them on the train would be the safest option until the danger has passed or they are evacuated by Emergency services this could be any suitable location including the old station. In a worst case scenario the Train could reverse direction and move away from the danger.


This type of thing is well covered in Emergency Management Plans that are used and or tested regularly.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Given that in an emergency, a train can stop and passengers can be detrained via emergency ladders anywhere, then yes, probably they could use a platform under the advice of the emergency services.

I think the main consideration would be what to do with the passengers - there would be no point forcing everyone off at General Motors if you can't get them onto a bus and away from the rail line fast enough.

I feel like there was an incident not too long ago where a closed Bendigo Line station was used in an emergency to transfer people onto coaches, but I can't find any news articles on it, so I might be imagining.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Yeah, a year or so back a Down Swan Hill pass failed at Harcourt. Passengers hopped on coaches for the rest of their journey. First time in about 40 years that Harcourt Station platforms were used on a regular passenger train.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Yes Exclamation

When travelling last year by DERM to Birregurra for a Christmas in July luncheon the specially hired DERM unfortunately broke down at the former Moriac platform which came in handy for the pax to disembark on to buses to complete the journey to Birregurra.

Mike, aboard MS Midnatsol off the coast of Norway.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Yeah, a year or so back a Down Swan Hill pass failed at Harcourt. Passengers hopped on coaches for the rest of their journey. First time in about 40 years that Harcourt Station platforms were used on a regular passenger train.
Carnot

Idea Isn't the track skewed away from the former platform of Harcourt station Question

Mike.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Thanks for the details @Carnot

I was able to find an article from the Bendigo Advertiser which details what went on. Looks like they still had to use a ladder at Harcourt Station to make sure disembarking was safe.

https://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/5119009/vline-to-reimburse-commuters-after-major-disruptions-to-services/
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
Yes Exclamation

When travelling last year by DERM to Birregurra for a Christmas in July luncheon the specially hired DERM unfortunately broke down at the former Moriac platform which came in handy for the pax to disembark on to buses to complete the journey to Birregurra.

Mike, aboard MS Midnatsol off the coast of Norway.
The Vinelander
Moriac should be put on the list of closed stations that could be considered for reopening. It's a rapidly growing periurban town close to Geelong and the bluestone edged platform is in great condition.
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

Yes Exclamation

When travelling last year by DERM to Birregurra for a Christmas in July luncheon the specially hired DERM unfortunately broke down at the former Moriac platform which came in handy for the pax to disembark on to buses to complete the journey to Birregurra.

Mike, aboard MS Midnatsol off the coast of Norway.
Moriac should be put on the list of closed stations that could be considered for reopening. It's a rapidly growing periurban town close to Geelong and the bluestone edged platform is in great condition.
gippslander
nothing much there than a wee General Store and a couple of houses with a man and his dog.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Yes Exclamation

When travelling last year by DERM to Birregurra for a Christmas in July luncheon the specially hired DERM unfortunately broke down at the former Moriac platform which came in handy for the pax to disembark on to buses to complete the journey to Birregurra.

Mike, aboard MS Midnatsol off the coast of Norway.
Moriac should be put on the list of closed stations that could be considered for reopening. It's a rapidly growing periurban town close to Geelong and the bluestone edged platform is in great condition.
nothing much there than a wee General Store and a couple of houses with a man and his dog.
trainbrain

Waurn Ponds 15 years ago could have been similarly described.

M.
  Maximas Station Master

Location: Geelong
Yes Exclamation

When travelling last year by DERM to Birregurra for a Christmas in July luncheon the specially hired DERM unfortunately broke down at the former Moriac platform which came in handy for the pax to disembark on to buses to complete the journey to Birregurra.

Mike, aboard MS Midnatsol off the coast of Norway.
Moriac should be put on the list of closed stations that could be considered for reopening. It's a rapidly growing periurban town close to Geelong and the bluestone edged platform is in great condition.
nothing much there than a wee General Store and a couple of houses with a man and his dog.

Waurn Ponds 15 years ago could have been similarly described.

M.
The Vinelander
The difference being that Waurn Ponds was earmarked for development, hell, a decent amount of infrastructure was already in place about 15 years ago, I remember going to the cinema out there regularly as a kid. Development in Geelong is going north and west, and where it goes south it will go towards Torquay and Portarlington primarily, Moriac does not need a station and won't in the mid-long term future IMO
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
This depends also on what your Safety Management System says and how you have planned for such events in your risk assessments.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Plenty of closed stations have been used for Heritage specials in recent years. Dunolly and Tocumwal come immediately to mind, there will no doubt be others.

I'm sure it just comes down to a case by case basis.




Alright, maybe use of the word 'plenty' is a bit of an over-reach, but you get my meaning.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
As the airlines will tell you, you only start an emergency exit when the passengers are safe outside than in because releasing the public into the open spaces with nothing to protect them against themselves is prone to failure.

I would thought the train would have been cleared to reverse before allowing them to release their passengers into abandoned stations for numerous reasons and not all safety related. For example good customer service would be release the passengers at their intended stop, or provide transport.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Short answer is yes, 707 operations and Steamrail Stopped at Whyechproof and Sea lake to name a few. Heritage operators stop at closed passenger stations and do so to this day on freight only lines.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I would thought the train would have been cleared to reverse before allowing them to release their passengers into abandoned stations for numerous reasons and not all safety related. For example good customer service would be release the passengers at their intended stop, or provide transport.
RTT_Rules
It seems to me that in the Harcourt situation it was the failed train itself that was being cleared of passengers. So we don’t know exactly where it failed in relation to other potential access points or stations, or indeed what the fault was. They might have decided that limping it a couple of hundred metres to Harcourt was a better option than trying to make it somewhere further afield and ending up having to wait for a thunderbird mission, potentially several extra hours for pax on the train.
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
Yes Exclamation

When travelling last year by DERM to Birregurra for a Christmas in July luncheon the specially hired DERM unfortunately broke down at the former Moriac platform which came in handy for the pax to disembark on to buses to complete the journey to Birregurra.

Mike, aboard MS Midnatsol off the coast of Norway.
Moriac should be put on the list of closed stations that could be considered for reopening. It's a rapidly growing periurban town close to Geelong and the bluestone edged platform is in great condition.
nothing much there than a wee General Store and a couple of houses with a man and his dog.
trainbrain
You obviously haven't been to Moriac for a while - major new housing estate being built south of the railway, otherwise it's filling up quite a bit and the station would serve a large catchment that is presently well distant of Waurn Ponds station.
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

Yes Exclamation

When travelling last year by DERM to Birregurra for a Christmas in July luncheon the specially hired DERM unfortunately broke down at the former Moriac platform which came in handy for the pax to disembark on to buses to complete the journey to Birregurra.

Mike, aboard MS Midnatsol off the coast of Norway.
Moriac should be put on the list of closed stations that could be considered for reopening. It's a rapidly growing periurban town close to Geelong and the bluestone edged platform is in great condition.
nothing much there than a wee General Store and a couple of houses with a man and his dog.
You obviously haven't been to Moriac for a while - major new housing estate being built south of the railway, otherwise it's filling up quite a bit and the station would serve a large catchment that is presently well distant of Waurn Ponds station.
gippslander
I stopped there in January on the way to Apollo Bay, still not much there near the old station. You would be surprised I do get around a fair bit DUDE.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Yes Exclamation

When travelling last year by DERM to Birregurra for a Christmas in July luncheon the specially hired DERM unfortunately broke down at the former Moriac platform which came in handy for the pax to disembark on to buses to complete the journey to Birregurra.

Mike, aboard MS Midnatsol off the coast of Norway.
Moriac should be put on the list of closed stations that could be considered for reopening. It's a rapidly growing periurban town close to Geelong and the bluestone edged platform is in great condition.
nothing much there than a wee General Store and a couple of houses with a man and his dog.
You obviously haven't been to Moriac for a while - major new housing estate being built south of the railway, otherwise it's filling up quite a bit and the station would serve a large catchment that is presently well distant of Waurn Ponds station.
I stopped there in January on the way to Apollo Bay, still not much there near the old station. You would be surprised I do get around a fair bit DUDE.
trainbrain
Narley Man! what's you Favourite Swell?
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

Yes Exclamation

When travelling last year by DERM to Birregurra for a Christmas in July luncheon the specially hired DERM unfortunately broke down at the former Moriac platform which came in handy for the pax to disembark on to buses to complete the journey to Birregurra.

Mike, aboard MS Midnatsol off the coast of Norway.
Moriac should be put on the list of closed stations that could be considered for reopening. It's a rapidly growing periurban town close to Geelong and the bluestone edged platform is in great condition.
nothing much there than a wee General Store and a couple of houses with a man and his dog.
You obviously haven't been to Moriac for a while - major new housing estate being built south of the railway, otherwise it's filling up quite a bit and the station would serve a large catchment that is presently well distant of Waurn Ponds station.
I stopped there in January on the way to Apollo Bay, still not much there near the old station. You would be surprised I do get around a fair bit DUDE.
Narley Man! what's you Favourite Swell?
Dangersdan707
The BOIL on top of your shoulders when it splits.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Yes Exclamation

When travelling last year by DERM to Birregurra for a Christmas in July luncheon the specially hired DERM unfortunately broke down at the former Moriac platform which came in handy for the pax to disembark on to buses to complete the journey to Birregurra.

Mike, aboard MS Midnatsol off the coast of Norway.
Moriac should be put on the list of closed stations that could be considered for reopening. It's a rapidly growing periurban town close to Geelong and the bluestone edged platform is in great condition.
nothing much there than a wee General Store and a couple of houses with a man and his dog.
You obviously haven't been to Moriac for a while - major new housing estate being built south of the railway, otherwise it's filling up quite a bit and the station would serve a large catchment that is presently well distant of Waurn Ponds station.
I stopped there in January on the way to Apollo Bay, still not much there near the old station. You would be surprised I do get around a fair bit DUDE.
Narley Man! what's you Favourite Swell?
The BOIL on top of your shoulders when it splits.
trainbrain
Dude, that's like totes gross man. I mean Surfing man, that is love and life on the coast.

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