The ‘major problem’ on Victorian roads, according to Neil Mitchell

 

News article: The ‘major problem’ on Victorian roads, according to Neil Mitchell

The number of trucks on Victorian roads is growing at a faster rate than the number of passenger vehicles, and Neil says it’s at crisis point.

  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Now there is a focus on this massive problem with no port rail shuttles running after years of ALP talk. 

The state is in truck crisis and people are finally starting to talk about this.

The ‘major problem’ on Victorian roads, according to Neil Mitchell

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Long term government policy in Victoria (mostly under the ALP) has lead to the demise of the freight rail network coupled with policy to permit massive trucks to and from the Port.  The issue can be addressed if the Port would change their cost structure and pricing for B-Double trucks to and from the port.  It rail is made cheaper for port access (and I believe this is the latest position of the port) then we have the issue being unwound.

We are still to see the Port Rail Shuttles materialise which would also take trucks away from the main roads in Melbourne and reduce trucks from the country roads.

The issue now is how to address the interstate truck traffic.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

It seems nearly all the political parties utterly lack the will to do anything about shifting more freight to rail.

So much opportunity to fix the problem, but politicians can't see the votes in it.  Thus nothing.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
It seems nearly all the political parties utterly lack the will to do anything about shifting more freight to rail.

So much opportunity to fix the problem, but politicians can't see the votes in it.  Thus nothing.
Carnot

It would seem to me that the votes in shifting freight to rail is a growing base especially in certain parts of Melbourne and growing.
  501M Train Controller

Location: The Borough
The sad thing that I see is that it will probably take loss of life to get anything changed.  Last Thursday there was an incident on the Monash Freeway where an A-Double ran up the back of a number of cars, luckly no lives were lost.  It is a recipe for disaster allowing 80 tonne trucks on roads with 2 tonne cars.  For all the lip service the government puts to road saftey and booking drivers going 2 km/r over the speed limit they allow larger and larger trucks on roads that were never designed for.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Was the fact the truck was an A Double in the news?

More action and pollution in the west https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/the-air-stinks-of-diesel-residents-fear-rat-runs-for-dirty-old-trucks which must mean there are votes in addressing the issues?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Was the fact the truck was an A Double in the news?

More action and pollution in the west https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/the-air-stinks-of-diesel-residents-fear-rat-runs-for-dirty-old-trucks which must mean there are votes in addressing the issues?
bevans
But most of the West are safe ALP seats.  Nothing gonna happen.

I'm seriously thinking that the best solution for Port-rail shuttles etc to get off the ground is direct Govt intervention rather than putting stuff out to tender etc.  i.e. Get V/line to get back into the freight game.

It's totally against neo-liberal economics, but I really think it might be a way forward if it's resourced properly.
  501M Train Controller

Location: The Borough
Was the fact the truck was an A Double in the news?

More action and pollution in the west https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/the-air-stinks-of-diesel-residents-fear-rat-runs-for-dirty-old-trucks which must mean there are votes in addressing the issues?
bevans

Nope.  It was reported as a B-Double.  This news article has the best photos and that Cleanway truck doesn't look like a b double to me

https://www.themercury.com.au/news/national/monash-freeway-closed-inbound-following-multivehicle-smash-at-peak-hour/news-story/3c920b6b88216c4f427a60a5d021f118
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
More needs to be done from a planning point of view.

I will use Cleanaway as an example: in 2017 they opened up their large regional transfer station in Dandenong South (just off Ordish Rd) to replace their landfill sites in Clayton South, any day you drive past you see a queue of garbage trucks heading into that site and all of the waste they deliver is then compressed into A-Double trucks (which can carry about 65 tonne) and drive from Dandenong South to the Melbourne Regional Landfill 60km away at Ravenhall. Anywhere between 20 and 50 of these A-Double trucks will make the return trip each day. The Ravenhall Landfill is a part of the large Boral quarry, which has its own rail siding. The Transfer station in Dandenong Sth is about 7km away from the nearest railhead.

Why were Cleanaway given the go ahead to build this transfer station on its current site? Surely planning permission was required? Why not knock back permission and suggest instead to build it somewhere with rail access and send all of that waste across town by train? I'm not particularly critical of Cleanaway, they are there to make a profit, I would just like to see the government use some initiative and push for more rail freight were it seems like a no brainer.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Was the fact the truck was an A Double in the news?

More action and pollution in the west https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/the-air-stinks-of-diesel-residents-fear-rat-runs-for-dirty-old-trucks which must mean there are votes in addressing the issues?
But most of the West are safe ALP seats.  Nothing gonna happen.

I'm seriously thinking that the best solution for Port-rail shuttles etc to get off the ground is direct Govt intervention rather than putting stuff out to tender etc.  i.e. Get V/line to get back into the freight game.

It's totally against neo-liberal economics, but I really think it might be a way forward if it's resourced properly.
Carnot
We all know how unlikely that is though after all. The entire system should be returned to government control and regulation should be implemented to force freight off road onto rail and resurrect the shorelines and non bulk traffic. Yeah its a Gunzel Dream but it would work wonders for traffic and the environment.
Governments rarely see political gain in rail freight and none of them are willing to go against neo liberalism without being labelled a Commie
  501M Train Controller

Location: The Borough
Was the fact the truck was an A Double in the news?

More action and pollution in the west https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/the-air-stinks-of-diesel-residents-fear-rat-runs-for-dirty-old-trucks which must mean there are votes in addressing the issues?
But most of the West are safe ALP seats.  Nothing gonna happen.

I'm seriously thinking that the best solution for Port-rail shuttles etc to get off the ground is direct Govt intervention rather than putting stuff out to tender etc.  i.e. Get V/line to get back into the freight game.

It's totally against neo-liberal economics, but I really think it might be a way forward if it's resourced properly.
We all know how unlikely that is though after all. The entire system should be returned to government control and regulation should be implemented to force freight off road onto rail and resurrect the shorelines and non bulk traffic. Yeah its a Gunzel Dream but it would work wonders for traffic and the environment.
Governments rarely see political gain in rail freight and none of them are willing to go against neo liberalism without being labelled a Commie
Dangersdan707

The main problem I see is that the trucking industry is basically subsidised by the taxpayer.  The trucking industry does not pay to build the infrastructure required or pay the full cost of maintenance due to the damage caused by their heavy vehicles.  Introduce a road usage scheme where the trucking industry pays the full cost of their impact on the roads, environment and society in general.  I see no need to return the rail industry to government ownership.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The main problem I see is that the trucking industry is basically subsidised by the taxpayer. The trucking industry does not pay to build the infrastructure required or pay the full cost of maintenance due to the damage caused by their heavy vehicles. Introduce a road usage scheme where the trucking industry pays the full cost of their impact on the roads, environment and society in general. I see no need to return the rail industry to government ownership.
501M
While I don't entirely disagree with you, just watch the transport industry jump up and mobilise if there is even a murmuring that something like this could be coming down the pipeline.

You can expect a large scale scare campaign threatening the rise of prices of every single thing you buy, from food and fuel to clothes and building supplies. This would lead to the cost of large scale construction to blow out, putting the future of popular publicly funded infrastructre in some doubt.

Do you remember the industry-lead protests against the carbon tax? Expect something similar if there is even a hint of introducing any form of road user tax on the heavy road transport industry.

Then there is the political backlash at the next election. A Labor Government bringing in a scheme like this would be the cornerstone for the Liberal Party's next state election campaign. Just look at the way the last federal election went.
  501M Train Controller

Location: The Borough
The main problem I see is that the trucking industry is basically subsidised by the taxpayer. The trucking industry does not pay to build the infrastructure required or pay the full cost of maintenance due to the damage caused by their heavy vehicles. Introduce a road usage scheme where the trucking industry pays the full cost of their impact on the roads, environment and society in general. I see no need to return the rail industry to government ownership.
While I don't entirely disagree with you, just watch the transport industry jump up and mobilise if there is even a murmuring that something like this could be coming down the pipeline.

You can expect a large scale scare campaign threatening the rise of prices of every single thing you buy, from food and fuel to clothes and building supplies. This would lead to the cost of large scale construction to blow out, putting the future of popular publicly funded infrastructre in some doubt.

Do you remember the industry-lead protests against the carbon tax? Expect something similar if there is even a hint of introducing any form of road user tax on the heavy road transport industry.

Then there is the political backlash at the next election. A Labor Government bringing in a scheme like this would be the cornerstone for the Liberal Party's next state election campaign. Just look at the way the last federal election went.
Gman_86

I know that proper road usage charging will not happen and it is just a pipe dream.  If the railways had have been private business I don't think we would be in the situation we are now.  Ohh well the road toll can continue to rise and the roads fall apart.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
A mass distance road user charge will every have to come about, due to the Increasing number of non (or limited) petroleum powered vehicles (on the road network) getting a free ride (avoiding tax)  
But yes expect massive scare campaigns and lots of Indecision by Governments (chucking It around like a hot potato)

While Governments squabble over who's going to make the hard decision and wear the political fallout, revenue from fuel excise will continue to decline, while tonne kilometres traveled on the road network will continue to surge (road network maintenance costs are only going to go one way)

Jacking up the fuel excise Is about the only adjustment the Government has with the current system (to try and keep the revenue up) But this will greatly punish parts of the economy, who don't have the piratical or economical ability to adopt battery electric vehicle technology.

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