Attempt to Revive South Gippsland Tourist railway ??

 
Topic moved from Victoria by dthead on 02 Aug 2019 22:58
  skitz Chief Commissioner

Sorry, I was thinking more in 2004(?) when VGR began running into Castlemaine for the first time - weren’t there some major safeworking changes required to keep whoever was the infrastructure manager at the time happy?
If by major safe working changes you mean waiting a year or so for FA to book the Castlemaine > Maryborough line out of service then yes!

As I have posted before Hell will freeze over before the RTBU will sanction volunteer drivers on the V/Line or Metro networks. Aint gonna happen. Apart from the obvious safety and insurance ramifications it would open the flood gates to any old organisation declaring themselves a Heritage operator and running trains without paying crews (ie it's a thin edge of the wedge argument)

Any THR who wished to interface with the "real" railway would need to pay for V/Line crews and use V/Lines accreditation or get their own accreditation (hugely expensive and time consuming) and employ their own crews (note employed not volunteers).

BG
BrentonGolding
Its just the RTBU flexing its muscle for its own gain - closed shop, nothing new.  All the other issues can be overcome if someone is prepared to meet the standards of which being an employee and a member of the RTBU is not one of them.

WA don't appear to have the same issues with Hotham Valley that uses some Arc Infrastructure (aka WestNet, Brookfield) track to get into Pinjarra.  Its purely a matter of will and attitude that is seemingly impossible to obtain in Victoria.

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  hbedriver Chief Train Controller

Couple of things here. The primary issue with a train from Korumburra entering the main line at Cranbourne (or Clyde), will be actually getting there, not the RTBU. The track has been at minimal maintenance for close to 30 years, it passes through wet areas and swampy lands, numerous timber pier bridges, and scores of passively protected level crossings. Even if done professionally with Warren Buffett or Rupert Murdoch paying for everything, I doubt anyone could get the line re-opened within a couple of years. A volunteer group or even with regional councils assistance will take decades.

If any group can do all the necessary infrastructure work and then wants to apply to access the main line (which will be MTM's network), then Metro will probably not be able to provide them with any sort of paths which align to when they want to run their trains. The concern by Metro will be to run their trains, in accordance with community/Government wishes (ie, regular suburban trains). Any other operator will have to be slotted in with suburban trains.

Metro will not risk their accreditation by allowing anyone to run trains who they are not satisfied has been trained/assessed in their systems. Not saying a volunteer group cannot achieve that accreditation, but they will have to do some work.

As to the RTBU, they cannot simply ban any group of volunteers from running trains. The employment contracts between the employer and their managers are their concern; their job is to get the best pay rates and conditions for their members. At the end of the day, if people wish to work without pay, they RTBU cannot stop them.

I am one of dozens of RTBU Loco Division members who actually work as volunteers at various tourist/heritage railways as drivers/firemen. And the union has no problem with us doing so.

And in ten or more years when the Korumburra mob start knocking on doors to access the main lines, all the current RTBU leaders will be retired, so those dynamics will be changed anyway.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Couple of things here. The primary issue with a train from Korumburra entering the main line at Cranbourne (or Clyde), will be actually getting there.
hbedriver

Which will include relocating the legendary Koo Wee Rup toilet block.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Couple of things here. The primary issue with a train from Korumburra entering the main line at Cranbourne (or Clyde), will be actually getting there, not the RTBU. The track has been at minimal maintenance for close to 30 years, it passes through wet areas and swampy lands, numerous timber pier bridges, and scores of passively protected level crossings. Even if done professionally with Warren Buffett or Rupert Murdoch paying for everything, I doubt anyone could get the line re-opened within a couple of years. A volunteer group or even with regional councils assistance will take decades.

If any group can do all the necessary infrastructure work and then wants to apply to access the main line (which will be MTM's network), then Metro will probably not be able to provide them with any sort of paths which align to when they want to run their trains. The concern by Metro will be to run their trains, in accordance with community/Government wishes (ie, regular suburban trains). Any other operator will have to be slotted in with suburban trains.

Metro will not risk their accreditation by allowing anyone to run trains who they are not satisfied has been trained/assessed in their systems. Not saying a volunteer group cannot achieve that accreditation, but they will have to do some work.

As to the RTBU, they cannot simply ban any group of volunteers from running trains. The employment contracts between the employer and their managers are their concern; their job is to get the best pay rates and conditions for their members. At the end of the day, if people wish to work without pay, they RTBU cannot stop them.

I am one of dozens of RTBU Loco Division members who actually work as volunteers at various tourist/heritage railways as drivers/firemen. And the union has no problem with us doing so.

And in ten or more years when the Korumburra mob start knocking on doors to access the main lines, all the current RTBU leaders will be retired, so those dynamics will be changed anyway.
hbedriver
Thanks Driver, I find this rather amusing as you and I are arguing what would seem to be the opposite points of view that we logically should, me being a self employed small businessman who has had bad experiences with unions and you being a driver and member of one of the nations more powerful ones but I digress.

Firstly just to clarify, my points about the RTBU were general and not specific to South Gippy and I agree with you, it will be a hard slog for them although they do seem to be insinuating that they are going to pay people to do some of the work?

Your point about pathing, I presumed the idea would be for them to run services to the existing