I find this article quite funny in all prospects regarding the light rail in Newcastle

 
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

If you read this https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/6282822/last-chance-to-join-newcastle-light-rail-class-action/?fbclid=IwAR253ks5kV4kKbYMX2QiHbcUU4x3tKe2ULpLOlDA1NxFrkR6OItKsuTbkPw

The business owners on Hunter Street is planning to sue the NSW Government over a loss of business and customers, in all reality they are the people who voted to have the Newcastle heavy rail line ripped up and have the light rail installed! It's absolutely hilarious, you must now live with the curse of having the Newcastle heavy rail corridore ripped up!!! Serve yourselves right, hope you half-wits go broke

I hope that the NSW Government reads this post, so that way they can use it against the business owners on Hunter Street, it's absolutely true they did vote for the heavy rail corridore to be ripped up so therefore suffer!!! And here you'd be thinking that Newcastle would become this flashy city where your businesses would boom HA HA HA HA!!!! LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

Maybe you should tell the ignorant Glady's to restore the Newcastle heavy rail corridore, remove the light rail rubbish and restore Hunter Street and stop complaining!!!

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  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

A well balanced, refined and unbiased observation

Did you happen to note the irony in the choice of venue for the 'last chance to get on board' meeting - one of the very business houses allegedly stealing retail away from the City of Newcastle

It would appear that Newcastle may be the punchline of a cruel public infrastructure joke

Good luck!
  SinickleBird Chief Train Controller

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
It seems everyone wants better public transport in their city. But without any infrastructure work. And leave the parking out front, because all my customers drive anyway.

Ms Vithoulkas seems quite partial to litigation. And was a strong advocate of Sydney Light Rail, if I recall correctly, just not down her street.
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

Totally agree! with you lads who responded I am glad my original post didn't cause any flaming it wasn't officially my intent to cause any flaming on the forums! It's just that I do find it funny because of the fact that all of the businesses are the ones who wanted the heavy rail corridore ripped up in the first place to have Newcastle built up into this fantasy flashy city which hasn't even began! Instead the NSW Government is basically restoring the "railway line" as a light rail line bypassing Newcastle railway station on Hunter Street causing businesses to close shop due to the work involved

Well, as I said serve themselves right! It's what they wanted! If they knocked on Glady's door and asked her restore the Newcastle heavy rail corridore to it's formal glory and restore Hunter Street then it will solve a lot of problems with businesses from closing shop or going bankrupt!

There's really no other option or opinion regarding this! I do hope that it's all kicked out of the court rooms regarding the business owners trying to sue the NSW Government for their loss in business and customers, it's just a big joke!
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Totally agree! with you lads who responded I am glad my original post didn't cause any flaming it wasn't officially my intent to cause any flaming on the forums! It's just that I do find it funny because of the fact that all of the businesses are the ones who wanted the heavy rail corridore ripped up in the first place to have Newcastle built up into this fantasy flashy city which hasn't even began! Instead the NSW Government is basically restoring the "railway line" as a light rail line bypassing Newcastle railway station on Hunter Street causing businesses to close shop due to the work involved

Well, as I said serve themselves right! It's what they wanted! If they knocked on Glady's door and asked her restore the Newcastle heavy rail corridore to it's formal glory and restore Hunter Street then it will solve a lot of problems with businesses from closing shop or going bankrupt!

There's really no other option or opinion regarding this! I do hope that it's all kicked out of the court rooms regarding the business owners trying to sue the NSW Government for their loss in business and customers, it's just a big joke!
cityrail-rulez
It shouldn't offend anyone, what you are saying is true. They pushed for the closure for decades, when it finally happened, oh $h1t was the response. The locals now need to accept what most people already knew, the Newcastle CBD is dead and closing a railway and replacing with a tram will not solve the fact its always been in the wrong place and as Newcastle grows, it will not get any better.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Was it the shop owners or the developers who pushed for the light rail. The only shop doing any business is frontline hobbies. While everything else closed down or left for kotara or glendale they are the one constant in that area. I know that frontline hobbies would have preferred the trains to stay.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Was it the shop owners or the developers who pushed for the light rail. The only shop doing any business is frontline hobbies. While everything else closed down or left for kotara or glendale they are the one constant in that area. I know that frontline hobbies would have preferred the trains to stay.
simstrain
Frontline has moved part of the shop out to Lang Road in Bmd, the NCLE shop will be closed when the lease runs out.
  Ethan1395 Junior Train Controller

Location: An OSCar H Set
Seriously, did anybody even think this tram through?

Rail services attract development, that is true, but how is this 2.7km line going to do anything when it's fed by the same usable PT that has always been? The only way the tram is worth it's price tag is with a worthy extension and upgrades local rail services.

All the tram has done so far is make PT trips slower and remove parking for car commuters, and as a result, businesses suffer.
  cityrail-rulez Chief Train Controller

Seriously, did anybody even think this tram through?

Rail services attract development, that is true, but how is this 2.7km line going to do anything when it's fed by the same usable PT that has always been? The only way the tram is worth it's price tag is with a worthy extension and upgrades local rail services.

All the tram has done so far is make PT trips slower and remove parking for car commuters, and as a result, businesses suffer.
Ethan1395
Clearly not! Nobody had even thought about what will happen when the Newcastle heavy rail corridore was ripped up
It wouldn't surprise me if Newcastle CBD actually becomes a ghost town, this would stir up a few things at the Government house if it ever happened!
  gw0071 Deputy Commissioner

I guarantee that certain entrepreneurial members of the community put a hell of a lot of thought into this unfortunate outcome

The horse has bolted and the money's in the bank
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner


It wouldn't surprise me if Newcastle CBD actually becomes a ghost town, this would stir up a few things at the Government house if it ever happened!
cityrail-rulez
No stir; those responsible will have moved on
  steam3801 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Newcastle
If you read this https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/6282822/last-chance-to-join-newcastle-light-rail-class-action/?fbclid=IwAR253ks5kV4kKbYMX2QiHbcUU4x3tKe2ULpLOlDA1NxFrkR6OItKsuTbkPw

The business owners on Hunter Street is planning to sue the NSW Government over a loss of business and customers, in all reality they are the people who voted to have the Newcastle heavy rail line ripped up and have the light rail installed!
cityrail-rulez

Half right anyway ... the business owners certainly were in favour of removing the heavy rail corridor. However, they were unsuspecting of being lumbered with the traumas of the incompetency of the conservative government in the gross mis-management of the installation of the light rail corridor (as were businesses along the similar Sydney corridors).

(Most) Business owners had a vision of open space between the CBD strip and the harbour waterfront ... the government simply had a vision of $$$$ L $ A $ N $ D $$$$. The light rail corridor was an ill-planned, knee-jerk, un-consulted attempt to appease with some money from the billion dollar lease of the harbour.

Besides, after the corrupt political folly and machinations of the conservatives in previous attempts at election, they were never going to see the political light of day again in Newcastle, so they decided let's just screw them however we can.

And that sentiment continues daily .....
  chris155au Station Staff

The business owners on Hunter Street is planning to sue the NSW Government over a loss of business and customers, in all reality they are the people who voted to have the Newcastle heavy rail line ripped up and have the light rail installed!
cityrail-rulez

Did they vote for the simply BRILLIANT idea of making Hunter Street the corridor?

Serve yourselves right, hope you half-wits go broke
cityrail-rulez


What a disgusting thing to say. If you had a family member in this situation I doubt that you would be saying the same thing. On the contrary, I hope they take the government to the CLEANERS! It would serve the government right for opting against using the PERFECTLY GOOD heavy rail corridor. Are you competent enough to be able to make a defense of the government's decision?

I hope that the NSW Government reads this post, so that way they can use it against the business owners on Hunter Street, it's absolutely true they did vote for the heavy rail corridore to be ripped up so therefore suffer!!!
cityrail-rulez


Because the NSW government needs YOU to tell them this? You don't think they know? I doubt that this will be much of a defense in court considering that the business owners weren't actually calling for a rail corridor directly next to their front door!

Maybe you should tell the ignorant Glady's to restore the Newcastle heavy rail corridore, remove the light rail rubbish and restore Hunter Street and stop complaining!!!
cityrail-rulez


"Light rail rubbish?" What is wrong with the light rail? And even if Hunter Street could be magically restored tomorrow without any interruption to business, the damage is already done from the construction! And the businesses would still be wanting to sue. Your post is EMBARRASSINGLY illogical and ridiculous!
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I visited Newcastle back In April (last time was back In 2009) and the City Centre Is disturbingly dead outside business hours, not even fast food chains were open In Hunter Street Mall ! 24 hour convenience stores were about the only shops open.

If they really had to replace the heavy rail train service with a light rail service, the heavy rail should of terminated at Broadmeadow Station(4 or 5 platforms) with a connecting tram taking passengers down to the Newcastle Beach terminus using the heavy rail tracks (no street running)
  chris155au Station Staff

I visited Newcastle back In April (last time was back In 2009) and the City Centre Is disturbingly dead outside business hours, not even fast food chains were open In Hunter Street Mall ! 24 hour convenience stores were about the only shops open.
Nightfire

Did you expect anything other than restaurants open? And as for fast food,
I can't think of what chains are in the mall other than Subway.

If they really had to replace the heavy rail train service with a light rail service, the heavy rail should of terminated at Broadmeadow Station(4 or 5 platforms) with a connecting tram taking passengers down to the Newcastle Beach terminus using the heavy rail tracks (no street running)
Nightfire

Well no street running would've prevented it from going any further than the old station, so it would've been farcical to call that stop "Newcastle Beach." It's farcical enough where it is now. It's really nowhere near the beach, it can't even be seen from the stop. In my opinion, it would've been perfectly acceptable to break through onto Hunter Street at some point at the Queens Warf as there's virtually no businesses at the point, and the government certainly could've avoided as big a class action as they are now facing.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I'm not convinced that the tram is here to stay. It wont be within 5 years, but maybe closer to 20 years, it will be removed unless there are major changes in the so called Newcastle CBD.

I'm sure a future govt looking to save money when the tram cars are up for replacement will simply close it and return the HR to Civic with a new stop at Honeysuckle.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
I visited Newcastle back In April (last time was back In 2009) and the City Centre Is disturbingly dead outside business hours, not even fast food chains were open In Hunter Street Mall ! 24 hour convenience stores were about the only shops open.

Did you expect anything other than restaurants open? And as for fast food,
I can't think of what chains are in the mall other than Subway.

If they really had to replace the heavy rail train service with a light rail service, the heavy rail should of terminated at Broadmeadow Station(4 or 5 platforms) with a connecting tram taking passengers down to the Newcastle Beach terminus using the heavy rail tracks (no street running)
Well no street running would've prevented it from going any further than the old station, so it would've been farcical to call that stop "Newcastle Beach." It's farcical enough where it is now. It's really nowhere near the beach, it can't even be seen from the stop. In my opinion, it would've been perfectly acceptable to break through onto Hunter Street at some point at the Queens Warf as there's virtually no businesses at the point, and the government certainly could've avoided as big a class action as they are now facing.
chris155au
Yes Subway was the only fast food outlet I come across (big places their usually open 16+ hours a day)

What I meant was that trams could of used the heavy rail tracks from near Broadmeadow Station to Newcastle Station than extended to Pacific Park (current terminus) with limited Interaction with Scott Street.

The conversion could of been done In a few Months, not the couple years It took. (as per St Kilda / Port Melbourne lines)

The Sydney electric Intercity train service could of been extended to Maitland/Telarah

Trams could of been extended past Broadmeadow Station(Graham Street) under the railway, onto Lambton Road, onto Russel Road to the John Hunter Hospital complex.
  chris155au Station Staff

This is all spilt milk, and contaminated milk at that.

Sydney Morning Herald, Feb 2015:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/nsw-parliamentary-inquiry-to-examine-newcastle-rail-line-cabinet-documents-found-in-disgraced-mps-office-20150217-13gqrr.html
kitchgp
What is "split milk?" Please note that I'm not one thousand years of age!
  chris155au Station Staff

I'm not convinced that the tram is here to stay. It wont be within 5 years, but maybe closer to 20 years, it will be removed unless there are major changes in the so called Newcastle CBD.

I'm sure a future govt looking to save money when the tram cars are up for replacement will simply close it and return the HR to Civic with a new stop at Honeysuckle.
RTT_Rules
Isn't there corridor inclusive land for sale after Civic?
  chris155au Station Staff

Yes Subway was the only fast food outlet I come across (big places their usually open 16+ hours a day)
Nightfire


Well what did you expect to be open after business hours other than restaurants?

What I meant was that trams could of used the heavy rail tracks from near Broadmeadow Station to Newcastle Station than extended to Pacific Park (current terminus) with limited Interaction with Scott Street.
Nightfire


Earlier you said , "the heavy rail should of terminated at Broadmeadow Station with a connecting tram taking passengers down to the Newcastle Beach terminus using the heavy rail tracks." I thought that you were saying that the old Newcastle terminus could've simply been renamed to "Newcastle Beach." How could the heavy rail have been extended to the current Pacific Park terminus?
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Yes Subway was the only fast food outlet I come across (big places their usually open 16+ hours a day)


Well what did you expect to be open after business hours other than restaurants?

What I meant was that trams could of used the heavy rail tracks from near Broadmeadow Station to Newcastle Station than extended to Pacific Park (current terminus) with limited Interaction with Scott Street.


Earlier you said , "the heavy rail should of terminated at Broadmeadow Station with a connecting tram taking passengers down to the Newcastle Beach terminus using the heavy rail tracks." I thought that you were saying that the old Newcastle terminus could've simply been renamed to "Newcastle Beach." How could the heavy rail have been extended to the current Pacific Park terminus?
chris155au
Well it obviously would not have gone into the terminal but could have split off where it does now.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

This is all spilt milk, and contaminated milk at that.

Sydney Morning Herald, Feb 2015:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/nsw-parliamentary-inquiry-to-examine-newcastle-rail-line-cabinet-documents-found-in-disgraced-mps-office-20150217-13gqrr.html
What is "split milk?" Please note that I'm not one thousand years of age!
chris155au
Why don't you Google it. It is a term used fairly regularly these days even by younger people. I find your comment offensive and unnecessary.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

This is all spilt milk, and contaminated milk at that.

Sydney Morning Herald, Feb 2015:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/nsw-parliamentary-inquiry-to-examine-newcastle-rail-line-cabinet-documents-found-in-disgraced-mps-office-20150217-13gqrr.html
What is "split milk?" Please note that I'm not one thousand years of age!
chris155au
Split milk is 'skim' or 'light' milk where the cream has been separated out, as opposed to whole milk where the cream is still in.
  chris155au Station Staff

This is all spilt milk, and contaminated milk at that.

Sydney Morning Herald, Feb 2015:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/nsw-parliamentary-inquiry-to-examine-newcastle-rail-line-cabinet-documents-found-in-disgraced-mps-office-20150217-13gqrr.html
What is "split milk?" Please note that I'm not one thousand years of age!
Split milk is 'skim' or 'light' milk where the cream has been separated out, as opposed to whole milk where the cream is still in.
justapassenger

Okay, but you don't know the meaning when used to refer to other things?

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