High Capacity Metro Trains (HCMT) Order

 
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Semens had a breaking saga. Not sure what problems the Comengs encountered when they first landed in Melbourne.
Lockie91

Ohh dear...surely the red squiggle came up when you mentioned 'semen'...and what actually broke Question

Mike.

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Also of note are the donations made to the ALP by the winning bidder over Bombardier and Alstom 2 companies with extensive experience in Victoria.
bevans

You cannot say stuff like that without citing proof.

Mike.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

The Siemens made it into service before being suspended with braking issues.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Overhead and signalling on the mainline connection to Pakenham East is to be commissioned over the following week, although the yard itself will remain under manual control. Sounds to me like they’re preparing for mainline tests.
  Madjikthise Assistant Commissioner

The Siemens made it into service before being suspended with braking issues.
kitchgp
I wonder if Victoria has learned a lesson from the past and they are now doing more extensive testing of new trains. A number of Siemens simply didn't brake at all, or braked so lightly to protect the wheels from slipping it made no difference. It's like they were programmed to avoid wheel flats at all costs, even if it meant the train didn't stop. One went through the balks at Sandringham and into the back of the bank.
  Lockie91 Train Controller

All depends what the governments definition of 10,000km of “fault free” testing is.

I’m sure at the time there was a greater need to get the seimens trains in revenue service than resolve a “minor” breaking problem.

I would imagine it would be the same now. The roll out is six months behind. They need a train rolling around tacking passengers so they can point and say ‘we did it’. “minor” issues will be taken care of during regular maintenance.
  electric Chief Train Controller

Location: Ist mir egal
Anyone got any news about this? The silence from the government is a bit of a worry... wonder if we'll see them this year?
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Anyone got any news about this? The silence from the government is a bit of a worry... wonder if we'll see them this year?
electric

Maybe the government has planned to wrap them up in Christmas paper and open them up as gifts on December 25th.
  Upven Beginner

Anyone got any news about this? The silence from the government is a bit of a worry... wonder if we'll see them this year?
electric

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/next-generation-5-billion-trains-running-months-late-as-delays-set-in-20190621-p5203l.html

Problems identified during assembly of the first train have included issues with its traction motor, electrics, and undercarriage. The train has only been tested so far on a purpose-built facility in Pakenham East

I am not shocked that Chinese made trains "assembled" here, aren't meeting standards.
  Lockie91 Train Controller

There have been major teething issues with every new fleet addition in Melbourne. It’s nothing unusual and really nothing to write about. Also irrelevant where they ‘shells’ have been manufactured. Electrics, boogies, traction and breaking is all being made here across Victoria. My money would be on issues with one of the systems not that of the shell.
  Upven Beginner

There have been major teething issues with every new fleet addition in Melbourne. It’s nothing unusual and really nothing to write about. Also irrelevant where they ‘shells’ have been manufactured. Electrics, boogies, traction and breaking is all being made here across Victoria. My money would be on issues with one of the systems not that of the shell.
Lockie91
That just makes it sound like we're even less competent of making rolling stock than first thought. Especially at the inflated prices we pay.
  ngarner Train Controller

Location: Seville
Without wanting to be seen as Sydney bashing, it's noticeable that their latest order from Sth Korea is also having issues with delays to delivery. Seems that no matter who, or where, you get your trains from nowadays you're going to get issues of on time delivery with teething problems to boot. Sort of makes the demand for thousands of km of testing before acceptance seem reasonable now, even if it holds up entry into service when any new trains would be a welcome boost and that seems to apply to any city in Oz at the moment.
One point that I don't get is why adding more cars to the order caused a delay to delivery of the first ones. I have a feeling the media don't understand the technicalities of what is going on and came up with that reason based on their misinterpreting some comment in their source.
Sydney Trains delays
  steve195 Train Controller

Oh boy




Hopefully when the dust settles the government takes this consortium to the cleaners for missing contractual deadlines so badly.
  drunkill Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thats a... Downer.

Laughing
  tayser Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Went googling about Downer and Sydney's Warratah issues, found this succinct article from 2016  https://www.manmonthly.com.au/news/downer-edi-kept-waratah-train-problems-from-market-for-a-year-court-hears/
The $3.6 billion Waratah train project was beset by problems.

The cars of the trains were built in China by Changchun Railway Vehicles Co Ltd (CRC), while the driver's and guard's cabins were manufactured at Cardiff in Newcastle by Downer EDI.

Problems that led to the writedown included poor production rate, quality and safety issues, software integration problems and general cost escalation issues. They resulted in the first of the 78 trains being accepted for commissioning more than 15 months late.
  mejhammers1 Deputy Commissioner

Went googling about Downer and Sydney's Warratah issues, found this succinct article from 2016  https://www.manmonthly.com.au/news/downer-edi-kept-waratah-train-problems-from-market-for-a-year-court-hears/
The $3.6 billion Waratah train project was beset by problems.

The cars of the trains were built in China by Changchun Railway Vehicles Co Ltd (CRC), while the driver's and guard's cabins were manufactured at Cardiff in Newcastle by Downer EDI.

Problems that led to the writedown included poor production rate, quality and safety issues, software integration problems and general cost escalation issues. They resulted in the first of the 78 trains being accepted for commissioning more than 15 months late.
tayser
I hope the Government gets taken to task for going with this consortium in the knowledge that they have had severe problems with the NSW Waratah Train project and if it was not for the O'Farrell Coalition Government bailing them out, the trains would not have seen the light of day.

The opposition need some competent to ask questions not David Davis who is turning out to be Victoria's Chris Grayling.

Michael
  max_thum Station Master

Location: Melbourne, Victoria
As of 12 August 2019, Metro Trains Melbourne has registered the HCMT into the WTT manual. Expect mainline testing to start soon.

"Registered for Testing only. No revenue services permitted. Vehicle to operate on routes specific in the Testing plan and as agreed by Network Operations."
  ARodH Chief Train Controller

Location: East Oakleigh, Vic
Saw one today around 13:10 sitting on the Pakenham East Depot exit road, obviously got there under its own power, as the catenary was up and there were no diesel-powered helpers nearby.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Nothing new about delays entering service. Show me any other Victorian suburban electric train from the last fifty years that didn't have problems entering service and simply slotted right in without a single hiccup.
  ElliotProvis Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Victoria
@Heihachi_73 but.... but.... but.... THEY’RE FROM CHINA!1!!1!!!!!
  trainbrain Deputy Commissioner

@Heihachi_73 but.... but.... but.... THEY’RE FROM CHINA!1!!1!!!!!
ElliotProvis
and so is most of your stuff in your house.GOOSE
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
@Heihachi_73 but.... but.... but.... THEY’RE FROM CHINA!1!!1!!!!!
and so is most of your stuff in your house.GOOSE
trainbrain
oH MaH GaWd tHe CHINESE!1!1!!!1 h0W could they!1!!!1!!1!!!!!!
  CraigieburnLineUser Station Staff

Anyone know if there was a HCMT transfer Thursday night? Or if not when the next one is?
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
@Heihachi_73 but.... but.... but.... THEY’RE FROM CHINA!1!!1!!!!!
ElliotProvis
Exactly the same reaction when the Martin & King stainless steel trains revealed their little secret, except that the bodies were made here and the electronics/motors(?) made overseas. The Corolla copped it too back in 1966, with its Australian TV debut having the words "unfortunately" shortly followed by "Japan".

Funny how the Hitachi motors were so much quieter than the Comeng motors, which reverted back to the groaning sounds of the Taits and Harrises. Unfortunately for the Hitachis, their constant squeaking and clunking between the carriages made for a very noisy trip, but if anything no more noisy than the Harris trains before them.

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