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  mawsonboii Locomotive Fireman

before the 117/157 came along it was pretty much feeder services. 333/334/336 from Outer Harbor to Westlakes. These services where very popular and they connected everything from Outer Harbor to Westlakes and Port Adelaide together. They connected with Trains if you wanted/needed to go to the city. You'd change for the train at Glanville or Ethelton, they had the best connections and interchanges, with a short wait for the train or bus.

The 333 ran through Semaphore Park connecting everyone to in that area to Port Adelaide, replacing it with the 157 meant people could no longer get to Port Adelaide without having to go to either Westlakes or Semaphore and change to another bus. Given that there is a large aged population in that are it made it very hard for pensioners. they ran the 352/353 every two hours (an hour in between) but it still made it impossible for people to get to Port Adelaide and back easily. you'd rarely see a soul on those routes which is why they got rid of them

they cut the 333 services even further this year because of low patronage, they have low patronage because a decade ago they cut the route in half. culling half the people who used the service.

recently the 224 from Elizabeth to the City via Salisbury and Mawson Lakes became a feeder service from Mawson Lakes to Elizabeth (running to the city in peak times) the 224 ran at few months ahead of the 222, they pretty much followed each other from Mawson Interchange to the City, both services where not needed. This is an example of when it works.

I wonder how many people catch the M44 in Golden Grove and go all the way to Marion and vice versa. the route takes 1 hour and 21 minutes. There are 12 busses running that route (to GG from Marion and from Marion to GG) in the time it takes 1 bus to complete the route. 8 busses an hour running one service. seems extreme. then you have the J1/J2 following closely behind from TTP to the City

I can't imagine even 15 passengers being on these feeders in inter-peak now. The main problem is not so much peak services, but the coverage of areas after hours (after 6PM, weekends etc). Some Elizabeth East and Hillbank residents have to walk over a kilometre through rugged terrain to access a service that doesn't even serve Elizabeth centre or Salisbury.

If you live adjacent to Military Rd between Trimmer Parade and Military Rd, there are no services at all at night or on weekends. It becomes the same north of Military Rd after about 9:45PM on weekdays due to the train being the only option at Ethelton. Those on Bartley Tce etc are forced to use a car. PT is supposed to be about reducing car traffic, yet the lack of services make it impractical to use at times. I don't even understand this proposed 566 route, since the Libs are passionately against increasing services.

The 224 duplicating the 222 is admittedly a waste of resources. It is equivalent to the 560 running almost parallel to the 224 for all those years (between Salisbury and Elizabeth)which I've mentioned somewhere. But it would be nice if the dosh used to run these canceled services would be spent increasing frequencies elsewhere instead of it funding a 3 month overseas holiday for some rich pollie!

The 'M44' was previously the 544 (east), and 243 (west). Labor made a mess of the network by introducing alpha numeric route names in which some were through linked. For some time, you couldn't even tell whether an 'H30' was express of all stops by just looking at the number. There are also some ex Brisbane Volgren buses which cannot even show the alpha numeric destos clearly, since they were programmed to display numbers.

But I heard from an internal source that it is supposedly more efficient having buses continue on through the CBD instead of terminating. There are enough O'bahn buses to cover these routes, so it isn't really much of a problem regarding the through running. Honestly, can you imagine every bus terminating in the CBD instead of continuing on as say a 263 or 208?

Privatisation has contributed to more of this, as the 224 used to turn into a 218, but it can't happen today due to these services being ran by separate operators.
ARG706
Running through services are great, if they run on time. Having multiple operators is great if it works. If you want to be able to have cross city services then you need to have one operator.

The B10 is another one. it use to be the 110 from Westlakes to the city then change to the 143 or something and went to the east, so they made it the B10, one service north-east. Now it operates as the 110 from the CBD to Westlakes and the from the CBD then runs to Salisbury via the O-bahn as the 502

I use to live in Mawson Lakes, and where I lived I had to catch the 222 just to get to the shopping centre in Mawson Lakes. I could catch a bus easily to the city or to Salisbury/Elizabeth, When the 224 became a feeder service I then had to change for the bus at the interchange just to get to Salisbury and for some reason they didn't design it so the 222 and 224 connect. I remember hearing so many people complaining, especially those who lived between Mawson Lakes and Salisbury saying they now have to catch the bus and then get the train. They don't connect so you have to wait and on weekends you could be waiting up to half an hour and if you miss the bus coming back you have to wait an hour for the next one.

I use to live near Bartley Tce, after 7pm that was it you couldn't go out unless you walked all the way to Ethelton Station.

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  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The King William St tram track rebuild (from Angas St to South Tce) seems to be going well.

I was caught out by this work this morning after getting off a bus on Sturt St to walk across to a shop on Halifax St. At a time when most infrastructure projects in the Adelaide metropolitan area move very slowly, it was a pleasant surprise to see that it was a hive of activity all the way along the whole length of work section, and there were plenty of opportunities for the public to see into the site and observe that actual work was happening.

The Darlington Upgrade is a completely different story at the moment. Go along there and you'll see small groups of workers only in a couple of spots at a time, and lots of leaning on shovels.
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

The King William St tram track rebuild (from Angas St to South Tce) seems to be going well.

I was caught out by this work this morning after getting off a bus on Sturt St to walk across to a shop on Halifax St. At a time when most infrastructure projects in the Adelaide metropolitan area move very slowly, it was a pleasant surprise to see that it was a hive of activity all the way along the whole length of work section, and there were plenty of opportunities for the public to see into the site and observe that actual work was happening.

The Darlington Upgrade is a completely different story at the moment. Go along there and you'll see small groups of workers only in a couple of spots at a time, and lots of leaning on shovels.
justapassenger
The reason is this needs to be done quickly in KW street where as on the Darlington Upgrade things go a bit slower pace. Also Darlington has to get that bodge up fixed as well were the shot crete fell down in a couple of places. Darlington is not a simple job either as the contractor has found out.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Something in the order of a quarter million square metres of road to pave, much of it on eight bridges, three of which needed to be built done the road and driven into position.

Yeah the contractor(s) at Darlington didn’t find out it wasn’t a simple job - oddly enough, they knew it before it started... They would have known that it wasn’t simple at tender.
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

Something in the order of a quarter million square metres of road to pave, much of it on eight bridges, three of which needed to be built done the road and driven into position.

Yeah the contractor(s) at Darlington didn’t find out it wasn’t a simple job - oddly enough, they knew it before it started... They would have known that it wasn’t simple at tender.
Aaron
What I meant was Aaron is that the tramline is inconviencing a lot so road works need to be kept as short as possible there business are along both sides of this section of KW street, not that many business's at Darlington are really being impacted upon, as is the road works at Darlington as well but at Darlington the road traffic can still move on some of the new work, in King William Street South it is down to one lane each way at the moment and that street is pretty well busy at most times. So the quicker the work is done the better it will be for everyone. Darlington is still having construction done so if any one had an ounce of brains they would have already avoided going through there if they did not want to be held up. King William Street does not have that option as it is a main street through the city from North to South or reverse.

Oh and further to that Aaron is the fact that the contractor at Darlington was not thinking when they signed the intial contract that something like what happened with the shotcrete would happen and it could be an expensive fix as well. Sure you can write or get written into a contract things that cover you to a certain extent but what happened no one really knew about it or if they did know they ignored it. Either way it is a bodge up that could end up coming back on the contractor for that part of the overall contract.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
While we are at Darlington the Flinders Link people were drilling holes for the bridge pylons in the area immediately west of South Road and inserting coils of reinforcing last week.

The railway has been lifted south of Allawoona Avenue but the Tonsley platform remains for the time being at least.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

While we are at Darlington the Flinders Link people were drilling holes for the bridge pylons in the area immediately west of South Road and inserting coils of reinforcing last week.

The railway has been lifted south of Allawoona Avenue but the Tonsley platform remains for the time being at least.
kipioneer
Correction

"Drilling holes for bridge Piles or Piers not Pylons"

Pylons are lattice type structures typically electricity transmission towers.


Signed
Pedantic old engineer.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
While we are at Darlington the Flinders Link people were drilling holes for the bridge pylons in the area immediately west of South Road and inserting coils of reinforcing last week.

The railway has been lifted south of Allawoona Avenue but the Tonsley platform remains for the time being at least.
Correction

"Drilling holes for bridge Piles or Piers not Pylons"

Pylons are lattice type structures typically electricity transmission towers.


Signed
Pedantic old engineer.
steam4ian
I was more worried whether you drilled holes for the piers or bored them Smile

I noticed going past yesterday some concrete piers were poured, and a number of the cars that used to park at Tonsley were now at Mitchell Park.   That the number was a fraction of what used to park at Tonsley is probably a good indication that not all cars at Tonsley belonged to rail commuters.
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
While we are at Darlington the Flinders Link people were drilling holes for the bridge pylons in the area immediately west of South Road and inserting coils of reinforcing last week.

The railway has been lifted south of Allawoona Avenue but the Tonsley platform remains for the time being at least.
Correction

"Drilling holes for bridge Piles or Piers not Pylons"

Pylons are lattice type structures typically electricity transmission towers.


Signed
Pedantic old engineer.
steam4ian
My understanding of the three words is that a Pier is a complete above and below ground structure on which a further structure may sit- ie a bridge span. A Pile is something that is below ground or hidden inside a fuselage usually in the vertical orientation. A Pylon is an above ground or external structure in the nominally vertical orientation.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I noticed going past yesterday some concrete piers were poured, and a number of the cars that used to park at Tonsley were now at Mitchell Park.   That the number was a fraction of what used to park at Tonsley is probably a good indication that not all cars at Tonsley belonged to rail commuters.
kipioneer
Maybe some of the others have gone to the Tonsley Park and Ride which currently serves Clovelly Park station and will switch to serving New Tonsley station when it opens? Or maybe they are using Marion station now?

I know one contractor who works at Flinders Private Hospital who used to park on the gravel outside Old Tonsley station because she didn't qualify to get a parking pass, and I know one other person who used to park there to catch a bus on Sturt Road rather than the train.

I don't have any problem with that as it was never actually a controlled parking area restricted to train passengers. The government does have it in their power to do that properly if they choose to do so.

It will be interesting to see if the new government goes through with the plan under Flinders Link for the Tonsley Park and Ride to serve as an additional parking area for FMC/FPH/Uni with train operating as a free shuttle between New Tonsley and Flinders stations. My guess is they will make it paid parking and paid train travel, then wonder why it has lots of empty space and streets closer to Flinders are still jammed up with parked cars.
  mawsonboii Locomotive Fireman

While we are at Darlington the Flinders Link people were drilling holes for the bridge pylons in the area immediately west of South Road and inserting coils of reinforcing last week.

The railway has been lifted south of Allawoona Avenue but the Tonsley platform remains for the time being at least.
Correction

"Drilling holes for bridge Piles or Piers not Pylons"

Pylons are lattice type structures typically electricity transmission towers.


Signed
Pedantic old engineer.
My understanding of the three words is that a Pier is a complete above and below ground structure on which a further structure may sit- ie a bridge span. A Pile is something that is below ground or hidden inside a fuselage usually in the vertical orientation. A Pylon is an above ground or external structure in the nominally vertical orientation.
nm39
Just to clarify for everyone lol. (you're welcome)

Pile
, in building construction, a postlike foundation member used from prehistoric times. In modern civil engineering, piles of timber, steel, or concrete are driven into the ground to support a structure; bridge piers may be supported on groups of large-diameterpiles.
Pier, in building construction, vertical loadbearing member such as an intermediate support for adjacent ends of two bridge spans. In foundations for large buildings,piers are usually cylindrical concrete shafts, cast in prepared holes, while in bridges they take the form of caissons, which are sunk into position.
(Piers are what support a the planks you walk on that make a Jetty)

Pylon is the Greek term (Greek: πυλών) for a monumental gateway of an Egyptian temple (Egyptian: bxn.t in the Manuel de Codage transliteration). It consists of two tapering towers, each surmounted by a cornice, joined by a less elevated section which enclosed the entrance between them.
(Electrical engineering: Electrical power, Distribution) A pylon is a large vertical steel tower-like structure that supports high-tension electrical cables.
Suspension bridge: construction that allows automobiles to travel between two points separated by an obstacle. Side span: segment between two pylonsat the ends of a bridge. ... Pylon: tower-like vertical support that usually supports the cables of a suspension bridge or a cable-stayed bridge.



  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Back to things happening -

The Pym Street-Regency Rd section of the South Road project going ahead quickly; astonished to see recently that nearly all the properties on both sides of South Road have been demolished but they've yet to acquire part of the soccer oval -

Wondering when I'll see signs of the Gawler electricfication progressing - ?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I read the in Sadvertiser that the Croydon Park soccer club is being acquired in its whole - surely they didn't need the entire oval? They've also demolished an entire unit complex that extended a fair way back from South Road and knocked over the whole lot of them - you have to wonder if that was totally necessary but then I guess they know what they're doing. A lot of the land left over from the Torrens to Torrens project is still desolate and unoccupied - it's a shame that they need so much land surrounding the project in its construction.

Here's hoping both the Queen of Angels Catholic Church and the Thebarton Theatre are preserved rather than being knocked over, those empty spaces after the project has moved on are quite uninspiring.
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

The aerial photo the other day in the Sadvertiser here showed the line that they want on that side of the road going halfway through the actual pitch so better to take it all in those circumstances. But I have to agree with you about how much waste land there is in places that is not used for the actual road way or indeed in some cases actually used for anything at all during and after the project.

I would have thought that maybe another place could be made available to them or some housing bought on the other end of the sports ground by the government to shift the pitch sideways so it was not on the new roadway works.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I am sure Polonia are more than happy to have an entirely new club rooms elsewhere.
  mawsonboii Locomotive Fireman

I read the in Sadvertiser that the Croydon Park soccer club is being acquired in its whole - surely they didn't need the entire oval? They've also demolished an entire unit complex that extended a fair way back from South Road and knocked over the whole lot of them - you have to wonder if that was totally necessary but then I guess they know what they're doing. A lot of the land left over from the Torrens to Torrens project is still desolate and unoccupied - it's a shame that they need so much land surrounding the project in its construction.

Here's hoping both the Queen of Angels Catholic Church and the Thebarton Theatre are preserved rather than being knocked over, those empty spaces after the project has moved on are quite uninspiring.
don_dunstan
I'm guessing it's a noise thing. Cars/trucks travelling up to 80kms per hour would be quite loud and houses that are too close I would assume would be complaining to Today Tonight about the noise. so to save the headache just acquire the land. I'd assume they'd probably want to build a "green way" along the corridor for cyclists and they'd want lots of trees to help minimise noise from the road traffic.
  mawsonboii Locomotive Fireman

they also need room to actually build it, machinery etc
  normangerman Junior Train Controller

The club is moving to West Torrens Birkalla from next season. They are also eyeing a new site in Regency Park if they are unable to move back to their old site.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The land used for site depots etc will be dealt with at the end of the project. T2T is still technically a live project, and some of those spaces might be reused for the Regency-Pym project.

The other half of the former soccer pitch land will be handy to use as a local park in an area which is not well served for open space, especially as it is an area with possible medium-density urban renewal projects coming up in the medium term.

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On the other end of things at Darlington, the final road layout around the Ayliffes/Sheps junction is starting to take shape. The new contra-flow lane from Shepherds Hill Road to the Tonsley Boulevard junction (allowing access to Tonsley Boulevard and South Road northbound) is now open, and the Ayliffes Road overpass (for northbound traffic from the North-South Motorway and Main South Road to Ayliffes Road eastbound) looks to be no more than a month or two away from opening.

Once the Ayliffes Road overpass is open, final construction of the North-South Motorway through that junction can proceed. This is a rather bizarre layout, from passing underneath the Tonsley Boulevard junction it then rises steeply back to surface level before the Ayliffes/Sheps junction and then has a steep drop back into a trench again.

Unfortunately there are rumours of another retaining wall collapse further along, and a section of pedestrian/cycle path near the Sturt River (across from McDonalds) has been closed for rebuilding after it was undermined by rain.
  Heath Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
The club is moving to West Torrens Birkalla from next season. They are also eyeing a new site in Regency Park if they are unable to move back to their old site.
normangerman
I am sure those rather well off upper middle class SUV driving, McMansion residing, credit card maxing soccer moms who have their 3 little darlings both attending private schools AND enrolled in 3 different extra curricular activities each could easily pitch in and pay for a new soccer oval for their little angels to play soccer on.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Heath, okay, we can see you’ve never seen Polonia/Croydon Kings club - it’s quite a modest one.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

From the Adelaide Metro website:

Off-peak train and tram service disruptions

When: From Tuesday 20 August 2019 to Wednesday 21 August 2019

Adelaide Metro passengers are advised that train and tram services will be temporarily disrupted as below:
  • Train services will be suspended from approximately 9.30am to 1.30pm on Tuesday 20 August
  • Tram services will be suspended from approximately 9.30am to 1.30pm on Wednesday 21 August

These service disruptions will enable a large proportion of employees to participate in information briefings held by the Department of Planning, Transport and Infrastructure with respect to modernising rail services.

The four hour suspensions will occur during off-peak periods to minimise disruption.

Details regarding affected services and substitute bus timetables will be added as soon as possible.

We thank passengers for their patience while DPTI undertakes this important process for employees, and works to improve services for customers.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Weasel words from the Marshall government - "privatising management" is what they should have said.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Heath, okay, we can see you’ve never seen Polonia/Croydon Kings club - it’s quite a modest one.
Aaron
Popular though, I've always seen it filled to capacity with people and cars when a match is on. I hope they're able to find another suitable venue nearby.
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

Heath, okay, we can see you’ve never seen Polonia/Croydon Kings club - it’s quite a modest one.
Popular though, I've always seen it filled to capacity with people and cars when a match is on. I hope they're able to find another suitable venue nearby.
don_dunstan
As any sports ground should be, used for its intended purpose.

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