Google, Apple, Microsoft reportedly ignoring safety pleas to add rail crossings to maps

 

News article: Google, Apple, Microsoft reportedly ignoring safety pleas to add rail crossings to maps

Hundreds of people die in collisions at rail crossings every year

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I will kick it off.

Why or how would including the crossings actually help?  The google maps app which is what would be the best to use would also require much maintaining of cross information and this can change as the Melbourne experience suggests and not all cities are flush with level crossings like Melbourne.

Food for thought.

Google, Apple, Microsoft reportedly ignoring safety pleas to add rail crossings to maps

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  duttonbay Minister for Railways

If the concern is drivers turning onto the railway line, rather than a street, then it may be useful for the driver to be told to "turn right after the level crossing" instead of simply "turn right at the next street" or "turn right in 100 metres". That might provide some awareness of the crossing.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
I think the benefit would be if using any of these for satellite navigation it could warn of approach to a level crossing, but then again isn't that what signs are for? I'm thoroughly sick of hearing stories about people blindly following their satnav and not using their eyes and brains!
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

No thanks.

Drivers need to get back to driving.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Go back to street directories and a proper navigator rather then the crap that is in GPS products.  

https://www.angusrobertson.com.au/books/sydney-and-blue-mountains-street-directory-2020-56th-ed-ubd-gregorys/p/9780731932122
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Go back to street directories and a proper navigator rather then the crap that is in GPS products.
simstrain
Back in the day I recall driving around Sydney with the UBD on the steering wheel so that I wouldn't miss a turn. Worked a treat! That said Sydney (and pretty much all cities) have grown beyond recognition since the '70s! I will use a SatNav, but not before I have thoroughly researched my proposed route. Pretty much always I will know if the SatNav is leading me astray (and it tries to) even in unfamiliar territory and on these occasions I will ignore it.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

While it's all very well for us to tell people to learn how to read a map, that doesn't address the problem. Whether you like it or not, the bulk of those driving these days are using Sat-Nav. It's hard to understand how people can turn onto railway lines, but it happens; one of the reasons is a sat-nav telling the driver to turn now.

I've been in a car in rural Australia and the driver, using sat-nav, was told to turn right in 100 metres.  As we approached the turn we realised there was a level crossing (the map didn't even display railway lines) with a parallel road either side of the railway. We had to drive quite slowly to work out which side of the (non-existent according to the sat-nav) railway we were meant to be turning into. I can easily imagine how those who blindly follow directions would get confused, particularly at night.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Sorry but I have a street directory fetish. I always try to have the latest versions.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Trapped in a meeting with Rhonda and Karsten
There is no real downside in requiring these massive tech companies to implement such a trivial feature on their maps. The tech companies are just being intransigent so that they can prove that they can only be regulated on their own terms.
  neillfarmer Chief Train Controller

Part of the problem is the low profile railways have. Most printed maps of the USA don't show railway lines at all.
Anybody who has used a GPS Navigation system quickly learns that they sometimes give out garbage instructions. Mine persists in wanting me to turn into a dead-end street, not to mention all the 'first exits at roundabouts' that end in a short section of road for a future street.
Makes me wonder how autonomous vehicles will ever get anywhere.
  GoldenGirl Station Master

One of the great advantages of the old and now defunct level crossing gate systems was that when open to the roadway, they were closed across the rail tracks. This was a built in feature that stopped numpties from turning onto the tracks. Not everything new is better.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Sorry but I have a street directory fetish. I always try to have the latest versions.
simstrain

The last Melway I purchased was in 1992 if I recall.

It's now mouldering away in the book case.

We live in the 21st Century now.

Mike.
  justarider Chief Train Controller

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
Sorry but I have a street directory fetish. I always try to have the latest versions.

The last Melway I purchased was in 1992 if I recall.

It's now mouldering away in the book case.

We live in the 21st Century now.

Mike.
The Vinelander
indeed, Mike. Back at the fridge again.

I often feel like shouting at the silly woman giving instructions (not Mrs JAR - a different navigation method) but,
  • juggling map on your lap is very unsafe
  • night map reading is near impossible
  • updates are easy and usually free
  • that silly woman is usually correct about the traffic, ignore at peril.


If you know the area then no need for map or SatNav because you know the short cuts, otherwise SatNav is far easier.

It's shameful that the tech companies are just playing games with a safety issue of major traffic hazard such as rail lines.
They sure as heck DO know where all the rail lines and crossings are (see google or apple maps), just CHOOSE to ignore them on the navigation.

cheers
John

PS: can always reset the silly woman to a silly man. Doesn't improve the advice though.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

A higher priority should be introducing technology to automatically mute all in-car appliances when in the vicinity of level crossings and school zones.

It should be very simple to implement through the use of roadside beacons rather than the device location. Mandatory installation on new cars and a discount on registration to incentivise retro-fitting on older cars.
  justarider Chief Train Controller

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
A higher priority should be introducing technology to automatically mute all in-car appliances when in the vicinity of level crossings and school zones.

It should be very simple to implement through the use of roadside beacons rather than the device location. Mandatory installation on new cars and a discount on registration to incentivise retro-fitting on older cars.
justapassenger
already pretty standard feature for in-built SatNav.

2016 model feature on Hyundai. Doesn't get more basic than them.
Approach to school is mute radio or phone to announce "Tool zone ahead" several occasions.
Ditto for other important warnings

PS: "Tool zone" is not a typo. My silly lady is also a bit dyslexic.

cheers
John
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
My silly lady is also a bit dyslexic.
justarider
Pronunciation of Australian place names is not her strong point either!
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

A higher priority should be introducing technology to automatically mute all in-car appliances when in the vicinity of level crossings and school zones.

It should be very simple to implement through the use of roadside beacons rather than the device location. Mandatory installation on new cars and a discount on registration to incentivise retro-fitting on older cars.
already pretty standard feature for in-built SatNav.

2016 model feature on Hyundai. Doesn't get more basic than them.
Approach to school is mute radio or phone to announce "Tool zone ahead" several occasions.
Ditto for other important warnings
justarider
Sounds like it is better than useless, but not by much.

Built-in satnav is a transitional technology which is on the way out, and it will be a positive to have everything mute automatically regardless of whether the satnav is in use.
  justarider Chief Train Controller

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
A higher priority should be introducing technology to automatically mute all in-car appliances when in the vicinity of level crossings and school zones.

It should be very simple to implement through the use of roadside beacons rather than the device location. Mandatory installation on new cars and a discount on registration to incentivise retro-fitting on older cars.
already pretty standard feature for in-built SatNav.

2016 model feature on Hyundai. Doesn't get more basic than them.
Approach to school is mute radio or phone to announce "Tool zone ahead" several occasions.
Ditto for other important warnings
Sounds like it is better than useless, but not by much.

Built-in satnav is a transitional technology which is on the way out, and it will be a positive to have everything mute automatically regardless of whether the satnav is in use.
justapassenger
there is really no way to please some people. Answer a question and you just get sneered.

SatNav is A feature of the in-built electronic control systems pretty standard these days in most cars.
Matter of whether you pay the "upgrade" version to have all the other bits turned on.

What with SatNav, lane assist, park assist , self park, brake assist, "can I fluff you pillow" assist
all that is needed is a software upgrade for self drive. (which sometimes I could do if brave/silly enough to let go of the steering wheel)

As for "transitional technology", how do you think that self drive cars will know how to get there?
I'd like to see Robby the Robot with a Melways on his lap.

Auto mute and warnings can be effected whether navigating or not. Just needs to be turned on even with the screen blacked.
These are BASIC FUNCTIONS.
Really need to look around, systems have evolved dramatically in the last 5 years. Lord knows what next years models do.

cheers
John
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Sorry but I have a street directory fetish. I always try to have the latest versions.

The last Melway I purchased was in 1992 if I recall.

It's now mouldering away in the book case.

We live in the 21st Century now.

Mike.
The Vinelander
I very rarely need a directory or gps in the car. I do all my planning beforehand and that is why I will be getting the 2020 ubd. I also like going through the street directory just to look at the updated road and rail links in the city of Sydney. Google earth still hasn't updated itself yet in regards to rail in Sydney.

There is nothing quite like the smell of a good paperback book!!!!!
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Sorry but I have a street directory fetish. I always try to have the latest versions.

The last Melway I purchased was in 1992 if I recall.

It's now mouldering away in the book case.

We live in the 21st Century now.

Mike.
I very rarely need a directory or gps in the car. I do all my planning beforehand and that is why I will be getting the 2020 ubd. I also like going through the street directory just to look at the updated road and rail links in the city of Sydney. Google earth still hasn't updated itself yet in regards to rail in Sydney.

There is nothing quite like the smell of a good paperback book!!!!!
simstrain
Having driven in a dozen of more countries and again recently driving through Brisbane, Sydney and south through to the PRV and Melbourne, I can assure you the days of me driving with a book on my lap, or having the Mrs trying to keep up and provide live directions are equally over. Anyone who has driven North - South while being navigated by a spouse will fully understand this. (for the record my wife is a good navigator and we have run a rally or two, but night through a congested city heading down the page, urgh)

Yes I like to plan out a route for places to stop, then type them into WAZE or Google Maps and off we go.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I don't need any body to tell me were to go. As I said I pre plan and make sure to note any difficult interchanges. Also I look at the street signs.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
I dont have anyone tell me to go either, while your pre-planning and trying to read street signs in poor conditions and in busy traffic, because my interactive street map let's me know where we ate and when to turn and if there is traffic ahead potentially an alt route.
  Madjikthise Assistant Commissioner

I dont have anyone tell me to go either, while your pre-planning and trying to read street signs in poor conditions and in busy traffic, because my interactive street map let's me know where we ate and when to turn and if there is traffic ahead potentially an alt route.
RTT_Rules
Where we're eating next is much more important than where we ate.  Razz

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