Tangara Technology Upgrade

 
  matthewg Train Controller

I saw the upgraded Tangaras today and the middle two Motor cars did indeed retain its old controls. I believe after the upgrade all Tangaras will be semi-permanent sets and the old controls will only be needed when the rear or front four cars need to detach and couple with a different 4-Cars.
C3765


Which will be all fine till two 8 car sets come in with major faults at the SAME end and they won't be able to join the two working halves together without sending one out and on a trip around the city circle to turn the set around.

Or more likely they will just be two 8 car sets down while they deal with the faults and cancel the odd service or two.

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  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I saw the upgraded Tangaras today and the middle two Motor cars did indeed retain its old controls. I believe after the upgrade all Tangaras will be semi-permanent sets and the old controls will only be needed when the rear or front four cars need to detach and couple with a different 4-Cars.


Which will be all fine till two 8 car sets come in with major faults at the SAME end and they won't be able to join the two working halves together without sending one out and on a trip around the city circle to turn the set around.

Or more likely they will just be two 8 car sets down while they deal with the faults and cancel the odd service or two.
matthewg
And how often does that occur? You guys are harbingers of doom.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Are these trains actually safe? What was the outcome of the inquiry into the waterfall accident with respect to future train design?

What about that metal rail that came through the floor on the Eastern Subs line? What was that all about?

Is there any in-carriage CCTV ( I may have missed something in the posts). This is a real issue because the Tangaras were a target for vandals.
ANR
Are you for real?
  C3765 Train Controller

Are T72/T106 still testing or are they retraining drivers so that they are able to operate a Tangara with the updated controls. I think, for the first few months the upgraded Tangaras will only run sector 3 services as I assume they have similar controls to the A Sets and the drivers wouldn’t have a problem operating them, whereas sector 1 staff may not be familiar with newer controls. This could be the reason why T72/T106 have both become Hornsby Sets.
  MoreBurwoodTrains Station Staff

Location: Los Angeles, California
Are T72/T106 still testing or are they retraining drivers so that they are able to operate a Tangara with the updated controls. I think, for the first few months the upgraded Tangaras will only run sector 3 services as I assume they have similar controls to the A Sets and the drivers wouldn’t have a problem operating them, whereas sector 1 staff may not be familiar with newer controls. This could be the reason why T72/T106 have both become Hornsby Sets.
C3765
Well, it's out as I write this very early this morning. Largely running in Sector 1. I don't know if that reflects continued testing or driver training.
  Sydney Metro Vlogs Locomotive Driver

Location: On H1 in car OD6901
I saw T106 at MainTrain today. Could this mean that some sets are kept at Auburn?
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

I saw T106 at MainTrain today. Could this mean that some sets are kept at Auburn?
Sydney Metro Vlogs
Yes some sets are at Auburn. I'm just wondering when they will return to revenue service so I can finally enjoy a ride on a Tangara.
  C3765 Train Controller

On-track dynamic testing of the two upgraded tangaras (T72 and T106) has been permitted for an additional 6 months from the 12th of June, shortly after the first tests around the network took place in early May. This means they could potentially continue to be under test until at the maximum, the 12th of December 2019, although unlikely. They may be entering service soon as testing or rather driver training/familiarisation of the sets has become more frequent.

They have been testing to:

Leppington
Campbeltown/MacArthur
Blacktown
Bankstown
Waterfall
Bondi Junction
Central Intercity Platforms

They will likely start service on the T1 Western Line/North Shore Line
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

On-track dynamic testing of the two upgraded tangaras (T72 and T106) has been permitted for an additional 6 months from the 12th of June, shortly after the first tests around the network took place in early May. This means they could potentially continue to be under test until at the maximum, the 12th of December 2019, although unlikely. They may be entering service soon as testing or rather driver training/familiarisation of the sets has become more frequent.

They have been testing to:

Leppington
Campbeltown/MacArthur
Blacktown
Bankstown
Waterfall
Bondi Junction
Central Intercity Platforms

They will likely start service on the T1 Western Line/North Shore Line
C3765
Yep the TOC Waiver has extended dynamic testing under the train's own power. T106+72 should enter service soon, as they have been testing them for a while. If the controls are that of the A sets, can't they use an A set for driver training?
  LividMilkTea Beginner

Yep the TOC Waiver has extended dynamic testing under the train's own power. T106+72 should enter service soon, as they have been testing them for a while. If the controls are that of the A sets, can't they use an A set for driver training?
SupremeLeaderSmeagol
I wouldn't think so, since the difference between the Waratah and Tangara isn't the same as A/B sets. The performance and cab setting of the train would still be that of a Tangara's, just a change in the controls. I'd imagine they'd have some degree of professional training done so that drivers can learn the new controls when in the Tangara cab setting.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

Yep the TOC Waiver has extended dynamic testing under the train's own power. T106+72 should enter service soon, as they have been testing them for a while. If the controls are that of the A sets, can't they use an A set for driver training?
I wouldn't think so, since the difference between the Waratah and Tangara isn't the same as A/B sets. The performance and cab setting of the train would still be that of a Tangara's, just a change in the controls. I'd imagine they'd have some degree of professional training done so that drivers can learn the new controls when in the Tangara cab setting.
LividMilkTea
Ah, thanks for clarifying that.
  Sydney Metro Vlogs Locomotive Driver

Location: On H1 in car OD6901
They will likely start service on the T1 Western Line/North Shore Line
C3765
I don’t think that would be too fair, considering how long it can take to have it deployed on other lines, especially since the T4 gets very few trains with upgrades (the very rare h set) and no upgraded trains on weekends.

By the way, does anyone have a schedule for the testing? Run numbers would be fine for me, because I’m interested in looking in person, and not from videos.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Grape vine seems to think that the master and brake controllers are unchanged ?
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
They will likely start service on the T1 Western Line/North Shore Line
I don’t think that would be too fair, considering how long it can take to have it deployed on other lines, especially since the T4 gets very few trains with upgrades (the very rare h set) and no upgraded trains on weekends.
Sydney Metro Vlogs
Well, it’s a good thing that Sydney Trains don’t care what you think is fair.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

I presume it'll launch on the T1 as there is the issue of crew training.
  Sydney Metro Vlogs Locomotive Driver

Location: On H1 in car OD6901
Well, it’s a good thing that Sydney Trains don’t care what you think is fair.
s3_gunzel

Yeah they really don’t, they’d probably not give T4 any of the upgraded trains until the last 5 are done, and they’ll probably only put them on Cronulla services until they have them all done.
  MoreBurwoodTrains Station Staff

Location: Los Angeles, California

By the way, does anyone have a schedule for the testing? Run numbers would be fine for me, because I’m interested in looking in person, and not from videos.
Sydney Metro Vlogs
Best thing to do is to go to https://anytrip.com.au/ on a weekend, or after about 20:00 hours on a week night. Filter the map to show only T sets. Then look for one in an unusual place, e.g. T5, T3 or T2 makes it easy, or sometimes it is a gray icon with a run number starting with 8. That gray icon may help if it's on T4 or any other route with a few T sets.

For instance, as I write this, I can see run 850B going thru Glenfield. It's an 8 car set, so that's an extra clue. You can click on the icon and it will show the stops (it'll say does not stop for every station). The confirmation of it being the test set is that if you click thru the subsequent run numbers, it will show 850K terminating at Auburn at 3:27 hours. That is where the test set calls home.

It doesn't run every night, but it is tonight. Monday 23rd September. It may just race past if you go chasing it, so be prepared for that. Sometimes it stops at stations, but not always.
  Sydney Metro Vlogs Locomotive Driver

Location: On H1 in car OD6901
I can report that the sets are out for testing right now until 3:00 tomorrow morning. The run numbers are 850A to 850K. The train doesn't have any planned stops.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
I’ll guarantee you now it stopped everywhere.

No planned stops so the indicators don’t pick it up as a stopping service when it isn’t for passengers.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Since the T4 is where most Tangara's live it would make more sense for it to begin service on the T4 wouldn't it?
  Sydney Metro Vlogs Locomotive Driver

Location: On H1 in car OD6901
Anyone got a recording of the upgraded Tangaras closing doors, and with the announcement? I’m interested if it’s different to the Waratah one.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

Anyone got a recording of the upgraded Tangaras closing doors, and with the announcement? I’m interested if it’s different to the Waratah one.
Sydney Metro Vlogs
Someone mentioned that the tones are still the same ones.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Nothing has changed with the doors.
  Sydney Metro Vlogs Locomotive Driver

Location: On H1 in car OD6901
Nothing has changed with the doors.
s3_gunzel
So it’ll still have that unclear doors closing announcement that the non upgraded tangaras have?
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
*sigh*

Yes, that’s what I implied.

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