Boris Johnson - New British PM

 
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Blah blah blah Don. You can believe in Brexit. That's fine. Its when you continually lie about it is when I speak out. All you have is empty slogans. Why continue to lie to yourself Don.

You still have not given me any reason why Britain should leave except the people voted for it (narrowly) and rambling on about progressives. The late John McCain would be a progressive according to you.

Now you are a spokesman for the North are you?  The fact that the North is not as prosperous as the home counties is not the EU fault. Things will not change with a right wing Tory Government who hail mainly from the home counties. In any case the majority of the home counties voted for Brexit.

If you want to Believe that a Brexit Britain led by Johnson, Rees-Mogg, Truss, Patel, Kwateng and Dorries is going to look after the working class you go right ahead. The working class will be shafted.

So you carry on believing in Brexit.

Michael

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  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
mejhammers1 are you or were you a British citizen? You sure sound like it.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Blah blah blah Don. You can believe in Brexit. That's fine. Its when you continually lie about it is when I speak out. All you have is empty slogans. Why continue to lie to yourself Don.
mejhammers1
What have I lied about, Michael?
You still have not given me any reason why Britain should leave except the people voted for it (narrowly) and rambling on about progressives. The late John McCain would be a progressive according to you.
mejhammers1
THIS part I don't think we'll ever agree on; you keep looking for an explanation and I'm saying there doesn't have to be one. All we need to know was that David Cameron threw it to the people and the result was LEAVE.
The fact that the North is not as prosperous as the home counties is not the EU fault. Things will not change with a right wing Tory Government who hail mainly from the home counties. In any case the majority of the home counties voted for Brexit.
mejhammers1
Really - the majority of Home Counties voted to leave? It appears from the map that I've posted below that the majority of the remain vote was in Scotland and the south/Home Counties. I guess it depends on how you define "Home Counties".  

  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Really - the majority of Home Counties voted to leave? It appears from the map that I've posted below that the majority of the remain vote was in Scotland and the south/Home Counties. I guess it depends on how you define "Home Counties".  

don_dunstan
The demographic breakdown was interesting

Younger and more educated people want to Stay.

Older and lessor educated people want to Leave.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
You are going around in circles because you don't like the answer.

Nah actually I'm pretty clear about what the solution is as I said a few posts up. If anyone doesn't know what they're blathering on about its you two.
don_dunstan
You still harping on about this, I thought this was done!

No, you are one eyed and the other is 95% closed. You don't give a F about the House following the legal Parliamentary process, the rights for MP's to reject any legislation or the consequences, you want them to leave unconditionally regardless of the outcome.

You don't care that the GBP decline is driven by industries lack of confidence in the future, you don't care about even that the population's position has changed.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
£15.5 billion pounds better off for a start - Office for National Statistics.
I've said nothing about the EU: You on the other hand just don't like the 17 million Britons who voted to leave. You think they're northern and backward. Isn't that the truth?
don_dunstan
Sth Aust is a financial drain on the Aust National Economy, but you don't see the rest of us saying lets kick them out. Oh wait, we need to keep it just in case the Brits want to again test Nuclear Bombs.

17 million Brit's also want free beer, not to pay tax and a holiday in Southern Spain every year, but you don't see the govt caving into this.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
No, you are one eyed and the other is 95% closed. You don't give a F about the House following the legal Parliamentary process, the rights for MP's to reject any legislation or the consequences, you want them to leave unconditionally regardless of the outcome.
RTT_Rules
Because after three years I think it's pretty obvious to any casual observer that they'll never get the British parliament to agree to any one particular model. It's impossible. So either it's an extremely hard Brexit (which I don't really think is the best solution) or some way of bypassing the parliament altogether... those are your choices. Not a revocation of Article 50, not a general election, not a second plebiscite/referendum/whatever. Hard Brexit verses a parliament that can finally agree on ONE model.

This has nothing to do with what I think Shane and everything to do with the enormous chip that you and Michael have on your collective shoulder about the fact that the British people voted LEAVE. Forget about it, it's over - that argument has been fought and lost.
You don't care that the GBP decline is driven by industries lack of confidence in the future, you don't care about even that the population's position has changed.
RTT_Rules
Again, this appeal to irrational externalities and wild possibilities that have nothing to do with the actual problem.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The demographic breakdown was interesting

Younger and more educated people want to Stay.

Older and lessor educated people want to Leave.
RTT_Rules
Awful old, less educated people. How dare they feel left out of the UK's prosperity! Serves them right for not living in the right part of the UK. Which brings me to this...
Sth Aust is a financial drain on the Aust National Economy, but you don't see the rest of us saying lets kick them out. Oh wait, we need to keep it just in case the Brits want to again test Nuclear Bombs.
RTT_Rules
Hey, I think it's high time SA and WA broke off from the Commonwealth too. Sydney and Melbourne are parasites on the rest of the national economy, which is actually productive without them.

Get rid of Sydney and Melbourne I say.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

No, you are one eyed and the other is 95% closed. You don't give a F about the House following the legal Parliamentary process, the rights for MP's to reject any legislation or the consequences, you want them to leave unconditionally regardless of the outcome.
Because after three years I think it's pretty obvious to any casual observer that they'll never get the British parliament to agree to any one particular model. It's impossible. So either it's an extremely hard Brexit (which I don't really think is the best solution) or some way of bypassing the parliament altogether... those are your choices. Not a revocation of Article 50, not a general election, not a second plebiscite/referendum/whatever. Hard Brexit verses a parliament that can finally agree on ONE model.

This has nothing to do with what I think Shane and everything to do with the enormous chip that you and Michael have on your collective shoulder about the fact that the British people voted LEAVE. Forget about it, it's over - that argument has been fought and lost.
You don't care that the GBP decline is driven by industries lack of confidence in the future, you don't care about even that the population's position has changed.
Again, this appeal to irrational externalities and wild possibilities that have nothing to do with the actual problem.
don_dunstan
Mate. The plebiscite was a con and the UK Parliament are not obliged to follow it. Only an insane person would want Brexit. Nigel Farrage and Boris are really evil people with no inclination to follow legal rules or precedent.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Get rid of Sydney and Melbourne I say.
don_dunstan
I'm sure many, many Australians would be happy to do so, but it will never happen!
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
No, you are one eyed and the other is 95% closed. You don't give a F about the House following the legal Parliamentary process, the rights for MP's to reject any legislation or the consequences, you want them to leave unconditionally regardless of the outcome.
Because after three years I think it's pretty obvious to any casual observer that they'll never get the British parliament to agree to any one particular model. It's impossible. So either it's an extremely hard Brexit (which I don't really think is the best solution) or some way of bypassing the parliament altogether... those are your choices. Not a revocation of Article 50, not a general election, not a second plebiscite/referendum/whatever. Hard Brexit verses a parliament that can finally agree on ONE model.

This has nothing to do with what I think Shane and everything to do with the enormous chip that you and Michael have on your collective shoulder about the fact that the British people voted LEAVE. Forget about it, it's over - that argument has been fought and lost.
You don't care that the GBP decline is driven by industries lack of confidence in the future, you don't care about even that the population's position has changed.
Again, this appeal to irrational externalities and wild possibilities that have nothing to do with the actual problem.
don_dunstan
Woo there, who is now the one promoting by-passing the legal democratic process, by-passing Parliament, the very system that represents the people.

The only way forward and one you won't accept because well, you're Don, is to revocat Article 50. The fact that after 3.5 years we are still at the current situation is proof enough the Process has been a failure and trying to continue is stupidity.

Once Art 50 is done, then get back to business of running the country, while at the same time setting up a committee who's task is by the next general election have a Legislative Proposal that can be but to the House and potentially the people. The same committee should also work with the EU to try and resolve the issues at hand so this can also be presented at the same time.

Don, wake up, business, you know the places that employ people does not on the whole support Brexit, this has been clear from the start.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Woo there, who is now the one promoting by-passing the legal democratic process, by-passing Parliament, the very system that represents the people.
RTT_Rules
Because parliament can't seem to get it done, that's why.
The only way forward and one you won't accept because well, you're Don, is to revocat Article 50. The fact that after 3.5 years we are still at the current situation is proof enough the Process has been a failure and trying to continue is stupidity. Once Art 50 is done, then get back to business of running the country, while at the same time setting up a committee who's task is by the next general election have a Legislative Proposal that can be but to the House and potentially the people. The same committee should also work with the EU to try and resolve the issues at hand so this can also be presented at the same time.
RTT_Rules
This is way, way too complicated and it betrays the 17 million people who told parliament that they wanted to leave. Every day that parliament delays this thing is a flat out two-finger salute to the people who knew what they were voting for and wanted out.

Why are you people so determined to make this more complicated than it needs to be? If parliament can't reach an agreement then just crash out with a hard Brexit like Boris is threatening to do - it really can't be any worse than holding this thing up indefinitely in committees and consultations for yet another three years... frankly that's just gutless and dishonest.
Don, wake up, business, you know the places that employ people does not on the whole support Brexit, this has been clear from the start.
RTT_Rules
Oh yeah, money before people. How stupid of me to forget!
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Get rid of Sydney and Melbourne I say.
I'm sure many, many Australians would be happy to do so, but it will never happen!
Graham4405
Better still, build a big wall around them and tell them they're on their own.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

One for Don.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial

Some bloke JRW? Delivered a speech dated September 30, running time 3.18
I'm technically challenged, unable to post direct link.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Get rid of Sydney and Melbourne I say.
I'm sure many, many Australians would be happy to do so, but it will never happen!
Better still, build a big wall around them and tell them they're on their own.
don_dunstan
More likely so, we can let Queensland be bleach out of existence, till they're just a big white blemish and use South Australia as our nuclear test site.Razz

'We should get rid of the people that we disagree with', 'love it or leave it'. Remind me again what 2 states have the strongest economies.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
More likely so, we can let Queensland be bleach out of existence, till they're just a big white blemish and use South Australia as our nuclear test site.Razz

'We should get rid of the people that we disagree with', 'love it or leave it'. Remind me again what 2 states have the strongest economies.
Dangersdan707
Sydney and Melbourne don't produce or export anything at all now that we're not a manufacturing economy (sans 'education', and that's just a permanent residency sales scam). The two things that we actually export to keep the nation afloat (minerals/energy, agricultural exports) don't come from either city.

So the rest of Australia effectively pays for that giant economic sink-hole of 10 million or so people to exist. They can't survive without the rest of the nation - not the other way around.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Queensland, they're just a big white blemish
Dangersdan707
What the?!?! Actually I suspect many, if not most Queenslanders wouldn't mind seceding from the rest of Australia!
Remind me again what 2 states have the strongest economies.
Dangersdan707
I'm guessing you're meaning NSW & Vic? Nobody wants to get rid of them, just the big blood sucking cities contained therein.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Boris has another thing going for him at present:  A Labour opposition leader who has a popularity rating of 22%.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Jeremy_Corbyn

Add to that, the UK Labour Party want to nationalize private schools as official policy.  A bunch of Communists they are, and an absolute gift to Boris.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Woo there, who is now the one promoting by-passing the legal democratic process, by-passing Parliament, the very system that represents the people.
Because parliament can't seem to get it done, that's why.
The only way forward and one you won't accept because well, you're Don, is to revocat Article 50. The fact that after 3.5 years we are still at the current situation is proof enough the Process has been a failure and trying to continue is stupidity. Once Art 50 is done, then get back to business of running the country, while at the same time setting up a committee who's task is by the next general election have a Legislative Proposal that can be but to the House and potentially the people. The same committee should also work with the EU to try and resolve the issues at hand so this can also be presented at the same time.
This is way, way too complicated and it betrays the 17 million people who told parliament that they wanted to leave. Every day that parliament delays this thing is a flat out two-finger salute to the people who knew what they were voting for and wanted out.

Why are you people so determined to make this more complicated than it needs to be? If parliament can't reach an agreement then just crash out with a hard Brexit like Boris is threatening to do - it really can't be any worse than holding this thing up indefinitely in committees and consultations for yet another three years... frankly that's just gutless and dishonest.
Don, wake up, business, you know the places that employ people does not on the whole support Brexit, this has been clear from the start.
Oh yeah, money before people. How stupid of me to forget!
don_dunstan
Oh god, you still going on this....

Ooook, soooo you want to by-pass the democratic system because you claim the democratic system has been ignored, oh wait, the PM did try to do this and what happened....mmmm....,mmm, oh yes, the High Court said NO!!!

So, now its too complicated for you to understand. Best you leave the heavy thinking to those more qualified.

No, the govt is using the legal process to process the survey and struggling to find middle ground to protect the people they represent because they asked LEAVERS asked the wrong question.

Its not complicated, every action presented to the house has to be voted on and if it fails, the bill is redrafted or eventually discarded altogether, even SA Govt works this way. Not sure why you are struggling to keep up.

So, now the Brexit Bill must be treated differently to other Bill's because you don't understand the political process, yah for commonsense.

You summed up your input to this debate nicely
How stupid of me to forget!

Are we done now?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
A Labour opposition leader who has a popularity rating of 22%.
Carnot
Lab Party UK and ALP have a few things in common, presenting the most disliked person in the house as the alternative PM.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Sydney and Melbourne don't produce or export anything at all now that we're not a manufacturing economy (sans 'education', and that's just a permanent residency sales scam). The two things that we actually export to keep the nation afloat (minerals/energy, agricultural exports) don't come from either city.

So the rest of Australia effectively pays for that giant economic sink-hole of 10 million or so people to exist. They can't survive without the rest of the nation - not the other way around.
don_dunstan
Donanomics strikes again, "it is because I say and be dammed about any facts that get in the way."

Even so, the two biggest cities account for about 44 per cent of Australia's total GDP in 2017-18. Sydney's economic output reached $443 billion or 24.4 per cent of national GDP while the Melbourne economy was worth $351 billion or 19.3 per cent of GDP.
SMH

Manufacturing
Sydney is the largest manufacturing hub in Australia, with the value of the city's manufacturing industry surpassing $21 billion in 2012-13, overtaking that of Melbourne ($18.9 billion).[8] Sydney's manufacturing sector consists largely of domestic-focused and high-tech manufacturing such as biotechnology, food processing and advanced electronics.[9] Major manufacturing companies with operations in Sydney include Arnott's, Coca-Cola Amatil, Arrium, Visy, Amcor and Rheem, among many others.

The Smithfield-Wetherill Park Industrial Estate in Greater Western Sydney is the largest industrial estate in the southern hemisphere and is the centre of manufacturing and distribution in the region. Lying between the major population growth zones in the north-west and south-west of Sydney, the estate contains more than 1,000 manufacturing, wholesale, transport and service firms which employ more than 20,000 persons

Melbourne has a highly diversified economy with particular strengths in finance, manufacturing, research, IT, education, logistics, transportation and tourism
Wiki
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
....use South Australia as our nuclear test site.Razz
Dangersdan707
We should have let the Russian's test the Tsar Bomba in SA at full power, maybe a few of them.Wink
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I'm hearing a Brexit deal has been done!! signed off by all the appropriate parties, it is yet to be ratified by the House of Commons however.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I'm hearing a Brexit deal has been done!! signed off by all the appropriate parties, it is yet to be ratified by the House of Commons however.
lsrailfan
Good news, but have we got this far before?
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
I'm hearing a Brexit deal has been done!! signed off by all the appropriate parties, it is yet to be ratified by the House of Commons however.
lsrailfan
It seems so http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-17/brexit-deal-reached-boris-johnson-jean-claude-juncker-say/11606124

Good as long as they don't expect us to come running.

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