Caulfield group to become anticlockwise all day

 
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
HCMTs. Trains do not need to go thru the City loop.

Instead of having  long distance metro train going thru the loop you can have shorter distance train go thru and have you long distance metro trains go directly to Flinders Street.

Also at same time have northern loop trains go thru the loop before it goes to Flinders st station.

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  mm42 Chief Train Controller

Changing at Burnley will be fun in the rain, or in the hot sun. At Richmond there is full-length shelter, whereas Burnley's north platform, where the interchange will need to occur, has only one short section with shelter. Have MTM thought this aspect through?

There is a section of the initial proposal from MTM about Southern Cross Station, which was cut off. Could there be a proposal for opening the pedestrian subway for interchange during peak hour?
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
I don't know why people are still fixated on the idea of the Southern Cross subway. I would have thought by now that its pretty clear it will never be reopened.

It isn't DDA compliant, which if they reopened it would mean they are breaching the DDA in a way that continued use since being built before DDA doesn't apply to.
The subway is used for other services now, that would have to be relocated somewhere else at great expense.

What is needed at Southern Cross is better quality escalators on all platforms, including V/Line, better way-finding signage, and ultimately more frequent, consistent services.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
The Victorian Government (the owners of Burnley station) doesn't give a toss about station platforms or their amenities (look at the roof of any station built since the year 2000, including the one (or two?) metre gap between the end of the awning and the actual platform edge). Burnley 3+4 has a sheltered waiting area (albeit a decrepit-looking wooden structure that is probably lined with asbestos), but the windows have been smashed that many times they don't even bother fixing it anymore; apparently the huge 1990s style CCTV cameras must be there just for show, either that or they have the resolution of an original Game Boy while recording at one frame per second. The tin shed (wheelchair shelter) at the down end isn't much better than the main shelter and usually smells of vomit, stale beer and/or urine.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

The Victorian Government (the owners of Burnley station) doesn't give a toss about station platforms or their amenities (look at the roof of any station built since the year 2000, including the one (or two?) metre gap between the end of the awning and the actual platform edge). Burnley 3+4 has a sheltered waiting area (albeit a decrepit-looking wooden structure that is probably lined with asbestos), but the windows have been smashed that many times they don't even bother fixing it anymore; apparently the huge 1990s style CCTV cameras must be there just for show, either that or they have the resolution of an original Game Boy while recording at one frame per second. The tin shed (wheelchair shelter) at the down end isn't much better than the main shelter and usually smells of vomit, stale beer and/or urine.
Heihachi_73
all the comforts of home.....................
  justarider Assistant Commissioner

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
The Victorian Government (the owners of Burnley station) doesn't give a toss about station platforms or their amenities (look at the roof of any station built since the year 2000, including the one (or two?) metre gap between the end of the awning and the actual platform edge). Burnley 3+4 has a sheltered waiting area (albeit a decrepit-looking wooden structure that is probably lined with asbestos), but the windows have been smashed that many times they don't even bother fixing it anymore; apparently the huge 1990s style CCTV cameras must be there just for show, either that or they have the resolution of an original Game Boy while recording at one frame per second. The tin shed (wheelchair shelter) at the down end isn't much better than the main shelter and usually smells of vomit, stale beer and/or urine.
all the comforts of home.....................
trainbrain
This of course assumes that the PM down will stop at Burnley.  
Is is said assume = make and smeg out of you and me.

The Metro proposal does NOT say that, just some hopeful observers who should know better.

BTW: if this comes to fruition and the benefit is for the "majority" then
those pax would vote for express Parliament-Camberwell-Box Hill and stuff those in between, they can take the SAS.

cheers
John
  Upven Station Master

I don't really have any issues with this. Simplifying stopping patterns and loop direction is one of the most basic things MTM can do to move towards a metro system.

Running Dandenong Group services in the one direction all day will enable people to access City Loop stations from Richmond all day.

Frankston needs to be removed from the Loop and i imagine this will all happen at the same time. This will finally create a true cross city group, something that the government was hesitant to do in fear of political backlash from the "sand belt" seats. Dandenong Group can have all 24TPH in the loop without interaction with another lines timetable. Frankston can have exclusive use of the Cross City Lines boosting the timetable while also having the benefit of rationalising the timetable on the Werribee line.

The frankly bizarre stopping patterns of the Ringwood Group need to be rationalised. Direct Alamain SAS covers the inner city stations too Camberwell. Ringwood services running express to Camberwell then all too Ringwood. Blackburn Services Express Richmond > Camberwell > Box Hill > Blackburn. Belgrave & Lilydale Express Camberwell > Box Hill > Ringwood > All to Belgrave & Lillydale. Something simple like the above all day everyday. Adjusting the frequencies for peak and weekend. With a constant stopping pattern people know where to interchange to access different stations on the line. Also spreads the passenger loading of the peak over different services, with passengers for stations closer to the city not taking up space for those going to the end of the line. Ie. If a Belgrave passenger needs to go to Mont Albert they know they need to change at Box Hill, if the stopping pattern is always the same they know they will always get a train.

If some services need to skip Richmond to help loadings so be it.

Passengers and Gunzels need to get use to interchanging. The days of one train will take you wherever you want to go is over. If you need to change at Burnley/Richmond/ Footscray to get to the City Loop so be it. As always INDEPENDENT FULLY SEGREGATED LINES.
Lockie91
This is what I would need, in order to catch the train again. Since I know that cleaner trains is too hard an ask, I'll settle for this.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
+1000000. More Ringwood to Box Hill expresses would be awesome, currently there is just one in the up direction, and it isn't even in a useful time frame, but at 2034 from Ringwood. I just wish there was more than just the one up express. Of course though, they would need to kill the useless shuttle services and have the other train behind it stopping all stations to the city to take its place. For example, that up Belgrave I mention is followed immediately by a SAS up Lilydale at 2036 (and due to whatever pathetic reason Metro gives, this service is run with just three carriages).
  skitz Chief Commissioner

Why anti-clockwise?  One woudl assume to stick to clockwise would prevent some cross-over moves for typical up and down movements.  What am I missing here?

Also, to throw a suggestion out there, run Gippsland Velocities via the loop too (manage the ventilation) and remove the west richmond interfaces.
  John.Z Chief Train Controller

Why anti-clockwise?  One woudl assume to stick to clockwise would prevent some cross-over moves for typical up and down movements.  What am I missing here?

Also, to throw a suggestion out there, run Gippsland Velocities via the loop too (manage the ventilation) and remove the west richmond interfaces.
skitz
The Loop portals are between the running pairs so no conflicts running one way or the other.
  John.Z Chief Train Controller

not quite right.
trainbrain
How so?

At richmond the portal sits between the down and up track so no conflict of movement

At SXS platform only runs in one direction (anti in the morning + weekends, clockwise in the evening) same as the loop so no conflicts there either.
  skitz Chief Commissioner

Why anti-clockwise?  One woudl assume to stick to clockwise would prevent some cross-over moves for typical up and down movements.  What am I missing here?

Also, to throw a suggestion out there, run Gippsland Velocities via the loop too (manage the ventilation) and remove the west richmond interfaces.
The Loop portals are between the running pairs so no conflicts running one way or the other.
John.Z
Too easy, thanks.

Now to put the Gippsland Velocities on the same ant-trail.  Wink
  Turbo Thomas Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Maybe there is another reason behind all this.
How many people have been on a slightly late Caulfield group train in the morning or weekend and then as it approaches Richmond the drivers says the the train will run direct to Flinders St. Let's be honest, the only reason they do these loop bypasses is to cook the books and get the trains into Flinders St on-time.
If the loop runs anti-clockwise all day it will give Metro more opportunities to cook the books and make there figures better by bypassing the loop.
  Lockie91 Train Controller

I can confirm thanks to a friend a Metro that all Frankston services will be removed from the loop in 2020. It will be Pakenham and Cranbourne HCMTS only.

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