Climate Change Confusion

 
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
"Carbon off-set" is just a theory, there's no evidence that it does anything at all.
don_dunstan
I'm not entirely sure this is true but by using an off-set it does demonstrate RE doesn't provide a solution to provide power when the customer needs it and that coal/gas will be part of the mix for years to come until RE can step up.

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  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Hi, I'm from Nigeria and here to help with your carbon off-sets.   Just send money and I promise to plant a tree for you so you can feel good about yourself.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Hi I'm from Donald, and Lake Buloke has only been full once since 1998, and Lake Hindmarsh is even worse, as for Albacutya,1980 something.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
And here I was thinking you couldn't see a scam.  Pity you haven't seen the big one - AGW.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I said before Wobert, let me make it clearer for you...

ALL OFFSET/TRADING SCHEMES ARE ECONOMIST smeg!

Claims of Melbourne trams or Canberra being entirely RE powered are fanciful at best and blatantly fraudulent in terms of energy supply facts.

The ALP governments in ACT and Vic are lying, they’re not orphans, the former ALP government in SA used to lie about this smeg too.

4/5 of the eastern seaboard’s energy is carbon based. You can’t tell me that the 1/5 RE isn’t TOTALLY oversubscribed with ALL of Canberra, Melbourne’s trams and all other commercial and domestic customers ‘chasing feels’ and paying extra for RE.

I tell you, economists love it, literally charging money for something that isn’t supplied.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I said before Wobert, let me make it clearer for you...

ALL OFFSET/TRADING SCHEMES ARE ECONOMIST smeg!

Claims of Melbourne trams or Canberra being entirely RE powered are fanciful at best and blatantly fraudulent in terms of energy supply facts.

The ALP governments in ACT and Vic are lying, they’re not orphans, the former ALP government in SA used to lie about this smeg too.

4/5 of the eastern seaboard’s energy is carbon based. You can’t tell me that the 1/5 RE isn’t TOTALLY oversubscribed with ALL of Canberra, Melbourne’s trams and all other commercial and domestic customers ‘chasing feels’ and paying extra for RE.

I tell you, economists love it, literally charging money for something that isn’t supplied.
Aaron
Yep, just a game of musical chairs with no net effect on the Environment. Very easy ply for small power load organisations to get away with and politicise their actions.

Its physically impossible for the entire state of Vic electricity consumers to select RE energy source and see the brown coal generators close.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
"ALL OFFSET/TRADING SCHEMES ARE ECONOMIST smeg!"


Only because you don't understand it. You guys are so funny.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Hi I'm from Donald, and Lake Buloke has only been full once since 1998, and Lake Hindmarsh is even worse, as for Albacutya,1980 something.
wobert
But as anyone who knows that region will tell you there will be big floods eventually, there were large ones in 2010 & 2011, and 'catastrophic' ones in 1983, 1981, 1916 and 1909 and lots of minor ones in between. The townships of Glenorchy, Rupanyup, Murtoa and Horsham can be badly affected - mitigation in Horsham hasn't stopped floods getting into the CBD even recently.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I said before Wobert, let me make it clearer for you...

ALL OFFSET/TRADING SCHEMES ARE ECONOMIST smeg!

Claims of Melbourne trams or Canberra being entirely RE powered are fanciful at best and blatantly fraudulent in terms of energy supply facts.

The ALP governments in ACT and Vic are lying, they’re not orphans, the former ALP government in SA used to lie about this smeg too.

4/5 of the eastern seaboard’s energy is carbon based. You can’t tell me that the 1/5 RE isn’t TOTALLY oversubscribed with ALL of Canberra, Melbourne’s trams and all other commercial and domestic customers ‘chasing feels’ and paying extra for RE.

I tell you, economists love it, literally charging money for something that isn’t supplied.
Aaron
Amen to that, it's all just theoretical, there's no actual basis to Yarra Trams claim that a Siemens C-class tram running at 11.20pm down St.Kilda Road is running on pure wind/solar power at that time - at any given time actually. They base their claim on the contribution that wind and solar makes to the grid at times that are plucked out of the air. It's all rubbish invented by some PR agency to make it look like The People's Republic of Dan Andrews gives a damn about the planet. They don't.

Same with 'carbon off-set' trees - as Donald so succinctly put it we have a massive scam there right before your eyes... give us money and we'll plant a tree SOMEWHERE on the planet just so you can feel good about taking a long haul flight to the other side of the planet... gimme a break. Can I calculate my carbon off-sets from all the tomatoes and parsley that I've got going at the moment (looking very wilted today sorry to say)? I take Adelaide public transport and ride my bike fairly frequently, shouldn't I at least get some tax-deduction for my exemplary behaviour? Or do you only get rewarded for putting future landfill solar panels on my roof... I'm confused.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Bbbb bb u b ut its all a conspiracy

https://www.theage.com.au/business/markets/billionaires-invest-in-massive-solar-farm-to-supply-power-to-singapore-20191120-p53cf7.html


BWAHWAHARHARHAR  why would they do it?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Bbbb bb u b ut its all a conspiracy

https://www.theage.com.au/business/markets/billionaires-invest-in-massive-solar-farm-to-supply-power-to-singapore-20191120-p53cf7.html


BWAHWAHARHARHAR  why would they do it?
wobert
Because - get this - simultaneously they're herding globalist politicians en masse over the same lemming cliff called "sustainable energy". 'Ilarious innit.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Because - get this - simultaneously they're herding globalist politicians en masse over the same lemming cliff called "sustainable energy". 'Ilarious innit.
don_dunstan
It's the latest conspiracy. Just like abolishing slavery, organised labour, pluralistic democracy and gay marriage.
  AheadMatthewawsome Junior Train Controller

Location: Opening Train Lines
Because - get this - simultaneously they're herding globalist politicians en masse over the same lemming cliff called "sustainable energy". 'Ilarious innit.
It's the latest conspiracy. Just like abolishing slavery, organised labour, pluralistic democracy and gay marriage.
Groundrelay
Is that a joke? You think abolishing slavery is a conspiracy??? It is illegal in almost every western country! There is really only illegal slavery.

Is everything you guys are saying here a joke?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The townships of Glenorchy, Rupanyup, Murtoa and Horsham can be badly affected - mitigation in Horsham hasn't stopped floods getting into the CBD even recently.
"don_dunstan"
Jeez, Don; don't let the people of Horsham hear you calling it a township.Laughing
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Because - get this - simultaneously they're herding globalist politicians en masse over the same lemming cliff called "sustainable energy". 'Ilarious innit.
It's the latest conspiracy. Just like abolishing slavery, organised labour, pluralistic democracy and gay marriage.
Groundrelay
Someone is making lots of money out of this and it's not me. Want to guess who? Twiggy Forrest, Malcolm Turnbull, the Holmes aCourt family - the list goes on.

You seriously think they're pushing catastrophic climate change because they think it's real? Of course it's not real but there's money to be made.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
China is already the biggest 'carbon polluter' in the world and they're set to get even bigger with a massive 121 new coal-fired plants to come on line in the next few years in addition to their existing 987 coal plants. From ZeroHedge:

Across China, a whopping 148GW of heavily-polluting, coal-fired plants are either being built or are about to begin construction, according to a report from Global Energy Monitor, a non-profit group that monitors coal stations. Putting that number in context, the current capacity of the entire EU coal fleet is 149GW, or the same as what China is about to add. What's worse, and what has paradoxically not been noted by Greta yet in her global crusade against pollution so far, is that while the rest of the world has been largely reducing coal-powered capacity over the past two years, China is building so much coal power that it more than offsets the decline elsewhere. Ted Nace, head of Global Energy Monitor, said the new coal plants would have a significant impact on China’s already-increasing carbon emissions.

"What is being built in China is single-handedly turning what would be the beginning of the decline of coal, into the continued growth of coal," he said, adding that China was "swamping" global progress in bringing down emissions.

So we're supposedly feeling good about closing coal-fired power plants here - in the meantime China is building so many new ones it makes our own progress in tackling the carbon monster totally insignificant. What's the point in punishing ourselves with expensive, unreliable 'renewables' when it makes not one jot of difference to the global carbon crusade?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The townships of Glenorchy, Rupanyup, Murtoa and Horsham can be badly affected - mitigation in Horsham hasn't stopped floods getting into the CBD even recently.
Jeez, Don; don't let the people of Horsham hear you calling it a township.Laughing
Valvegear
It's interesting to recall the history of the numerous floods in the Wimmera, there's been some really catastrophic ones although Horsham weir and the diversion around the south of the main town have generally been helpful in managing it - lives were lost in many of the large 19th/early 20th century ones. The Wimmera river itself is interesting too in that it drains into Lake Albacutya instead of out to the ocean like most major Aussie rivers.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Because - get this - simultaneously they're herding globalist politicians en masse over the same lemming cliff called "sustainable energy". 'Ilarious innit.
It's the latest conspiracy. Just like abolishing slavery, organised labour, pluralistic democracy and gay marriage.
Someone is making lots of money out of this and it's not me. Want to guess who? Twiggy Forrest, Malcolm Turnbull, the Holmes aCourt family - the list goes on.

You seriously think they're pushing catastrophic climate change because they think it's real? Of course it's not real but there's money to be made.
don_dunstan
It's real and there's money to be made... and lost. After all who are backing the denial campaign.

Don't muddy the science with economics. Attacking the science won't change it. I have more respect for someone to be upfront as it's not their problem and don't want to do anything about it.

I believe the trend in greenhouse gas emissions won't be stopped let alone reversed before 2050 and by then other factors will come into play. However it will drive more efficient technologies for both generation and consumption of energy. In the absence of hot/cold wars and a space race, trying to address climate change is a good thing.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
It's real and there's money to be made... and lost. After all who are backing the denial campaign.

Don't muddy the science with economics. Attacking the science won't change it. I have more respect for someone to be upfront as it's not their problem and don't want to do anything about it.

I believe the trend in greenhouse gas emissions won't be stopped let alone reversed before 2050 and by then other factors will come into play. However it will drive more efficient technologies for both generation and consumption of energy. In the absence of hot/cold wars and a space race, trying to address climate change is a good thing.
Groundrelay
You're delusional like all silly lefty climate change believers. China is building another 200 coal-fired power plants and will continue to make the carbon situation worse. In that context, Australia, being responsible for less than one percent of global emissions - will make absolutely no difference to any carbon emissions globally (this was confirmed by the head of the CSIRO).

Nothing we do will make any difference. So why not build a few coal-fired plants here so that we can get our world-beating electricity prices down to a reasonable level?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
https://ourworldindata.org/co2-and-other-greenhouse-gas-emissions
Look at these two graphs, CO2 emissions and global temps.

Until 1980 the global temps were pretty much static, but a consistent trend up since.

However as of 1980, CO2 emissions was 20Bt annually, but rising consistently since 1950's and doubled from 1980 to 2017.

China has by far been the highest since 2002 as manufacturing exported to China, so its not a China problem.

Regardless the two trends of CO2 and global temps do not correlate well.
  allan Chief Commissioner

https://ourworldindata.org/co2-and-other-greenhouse-gas-emissions
Look at these two graphs, CO2 emissions and global temps.

Until 1980 the global temps were pretty much static, but a consistent trend up since.

However as of 1980, CO2 emissions was 20Bt annually, but rising consistently since 1950's and doubled from 1980 to 2017.

China has by far been the highest since 2002 as manufacturing exported to China, so its not a China problem.

Regardless the two trends of CO2 and global temps do not correlate well.
RTT_Rules
Much of the CO2 emissions have been absorbed by the oceans, which creates a delay in rising atmospheric CO2 levels. Global temperature is a measure of air temperature.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
You're delusional like all silly lefty climate change believers.
don_dunstan
Back at you reactionary fascist inclined rightie. Razz

China is building another 200 coal-fired power plants and will continue to make the carbon situation worse. In that context, Australia, being responsible for less than one percent of global emissions - will make absolutely no difference to any carbon emissions globally (this was confirmed by the head of the CSIRO).

Nothing we do will make any difference. So why not build a few coal-fired plants here so that we can get our world-beating electricity prices down to a reasonable level?
don_dunstan
Go ahead. It won't be my problem anyway.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
You're delusional like all silly lefty climate change believers.
Back at you reactionary fascist inclined rightie. Razz
Groundrelay
It was raining in Adelaide this morning - climate change? This cup of tea tastes a bit funny... climate change?

China is building another 200 coal-fired power plants and will continue to make the carbon situation worse. In that context, Australia, being responsible for less than one percent of global emissions - will make absolutely no difference to any carbon emissions globally (this was confirmed by the head of the CSIRO).

Nothing we do will make any difference. So why not build a few coal-fired plants here so that we can get our world-beating electricity prices down to a reasonable level?
Go ahead. It won't be my problem anyway.
Groundrelay
Unfortunately the zealots in this country are insisting that it IS our problem, hence we've been forced to close down the cheap, reliable sources of domestic power and install elaborate unreliable 'carbon neutral' sources such as solar and wind-farms PLUS spend billions altering the grid to support that rubbish. At least South Australia is about to lose its crown for the most expensive domestic power in the world - Victoria is set to overtake us on January 1st 2020 with a hike of seven percent on domestic electricity charges.

We're one of the world's largest coal exporters but we're not allowed to burn the stuff ourselves - same with uranium. Hawke's "clever country" was the polar opposite of what we've become - we're the dumb country.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Anyone in NSW know how Metz is going? I think we’re about eligible for the birthday cake for construction start date and I don’t think they’ve sourced a single panel yet.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
According to NASA we're about to enter a period of low solar activity - probably for the next few decades.

Sunspots are regions on the Sun with magnetic fields thousands of times stronger than the Earth's. Fewer of them at the point of maximum solar activity means fewer dangerous blasts of radiation.

Both the forecast and the improving ability to make such predictions about space weather are good news for mission planners who can schedule human exploration missions during periods of lower radiation, when possible.

Weakening solar activity is also blamed for the increasingly bad weather in the northern hemisphere (unstable polar vortex activity) - note the relatively early winter snow this autumn in America's mid-west and northern Europe.

Mini-ice age anyone?

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