Ok to bring some reality back to the thread
- QR have a long established history regardless of the train technology used of turning the whole train and continue to this day. QR have a history of turning almost any train, cattle, coal, grain, cement etc to avoid shunting and/or running B-end first trains where possible.
- XPT has directional seating which can only be rotated by the crew and only done at end of the trip. I'm not sure if they provide face to face seating on request. NSW avoided the QR approach by buying double cab locos, later XPT and turntable seated.
In Australia today and most of the world, nearly every suburban and interurban train system operated with fixed seating. In QR land that's 3h to Gympie North.
- rear seating is common elsewhere, I've caught TGV for 3.5h facing backwards.
- I've even flown backwards a few times as a number of smaller aircraft have rear facing seats in front row.
- At night, in a crowded train, do you even know which direction you are really going? or more importantly, actually care? I never did.
- Do people prefer to face forward? well given half a chance, some do yes they do, you can see in Brisbane as trains empty some people move to face forward, but from my previous obs, most could not be bothered.
Will Sydney survive with rear facing seating yes? why?
- The doom and gloomers (also in this thread) predicted the end of the world with the Metro with its lateral facing seating and reduced seating. Yet the Metro thread is rarely updated. There has been no major outcry in the media. The govt is proceeding to building the City/SW Metro the same and Western Metro. The outcry's of the past are very much in the past.
- So will the IU users be walking the streets and complaining about rear facing seats, no. Most will continue to be asleep, in the phones or likely enjoying the benefits of seat tables etc.
- Again the Metro, remember the hoo har in the media and in RP about safety, blah blah blah, mostly driven by the union or similar with obvious vested interest (you cannot blame them for this). Today we hear, crickets? Further roll out of the Metro continues, opposition to Metro is based on how it fits within the network, not if it has a driver or guard. Should the ALP return to power, nothing will change.
- Rio Tinto is now running driverless iron ore trains
- How long was the strike in NSW to remove the guards on freight trains? How long was the strike to remove the 2nd driver in the XPT?
Despite these crimes against humanity the govt and commonsense won out and life continued as normal.
- To take it a step further, QR, Tasrail and others have been running single crew freight trains for decades. If this was attempted in NSW today, would we see the mass strikes of the past? Unlikely.
- We now have people buzzing around town in their cars with their hands off he steering wheel at various times and Zurich and others using driverless buses on public streets if it works in the road environment we all know in the rail controlled environment, rail automation is a piece of pi$$. Hell if my car will brake for me when I'm not paying attention, what's possible on rail? Oh wait, we hear about LX or people invading the ROW corridor, committing suicide etc. The same thing will happen with automation as with manual driven, the people on the tracks will most likely DIE! Jump in front of a B-double and see how far you get.
So back to the automation of the NSW IU trains,
- Yes 1 crew operation is possible, its up to the will of the govt to make it happen.
- 1 crew does not equal a driver or a guard will be removed, but for now it would appear guard is most likely, personally I think it should be the driver although not now. Like it or not this job is on the verge of being redundant with guard actually off his/her phone between stations supervising the train and its contents.