Old cement siding at Albion?

 
  Shazam75 Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
One question I did have is in relation to the Darling and Sons Mill siding - does anyone know how the GYs were unloaded?  Was there a platform for the mill workers to unload the wheat ?  I guess with the GYs having side doors, the grain must have been unloaded somehow through the side doors?

Regards
Shelton

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  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
One question I did have is in relation to the Darling and Sons Mill siding - does anyone know how the GYs were unloaded?  Was there a platform for the mill workers to unload the wheat ?  I guess with the GYs having side doors, the grain must have been unloaded somehow through the side doors?

Regards
Shelton
Shazam75
yes , young Shelton B siding holds many secrets,,,,,,,,,,,,,, are you ready  4 the truth?


only when this forum reaches 100 posts  will  your  training  be complete,

  best wishes  not a jedi
  Shazam75 Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Ready and Waiting Sir!!
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
One question I did have is in relation to the Darling and Sons Mill siding - does anyone know how the GYs were unloaded?  Was there a platform for the mill workers to unload the wheat ?  I guess with the GYs having side doors, the grain must have been unloaded somehow through the side doors?

Regards
Shelton
david harvey
I didn’t witness the unloading of grain at Darling and Sons Mill siding,
but hopefully there was grating on the floor for the grain to drop down on to an under ground elevator.
AS the doors were opened grain would flow, so at some places there were tractors with a long bar attachment
at front with a flat scrapper piece . to pull out as much ,then its manual labour for the blokes with grain shovels
which are similar to firemans shovels but with ready high side’s and a lot wider….out                                                                                                                
  Shazam75 Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Here is another photo of the Pilot - entering the B Siding - two Y Classes for power!  Must be a full load given its all downhill from Totty yard!
Notice the GH wagon parked on the stub ended siding - interesting.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dermis50/8579998128/in/faves-97389605@N00/
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
Here is another photo of the Pilot - entering the B Siding - two Y Classes for power!  Must be a full load given its all downhill from Totty yard!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dermis50/8579998128/in/faves-97389605@N00/
Shazam75
Once again B Siding has come through with the goods.


That was a good find Shelton looking though the archives
Most of the loading looks like it is destant for Albion sidings thats alot of trucks to fit at Albion,
maybe some are going to the GEB on the Brooklyn Line.

The pilots were given numbers and the sunshine pilot was designated P 2 .

Its even better to see another picture of the P 2 pilot not being hauled by Y109   but being hauled by Lord Nelson !!!!
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
Note the two VPCX directly behind the locos. Shelton was asking about the cement loading. It appears there are two answers to his question as late as 1986.
Unlike Y109, Y108 doesn't appear to have been a regular Tottenham loco. It seems to have spent the majority of its time within the Melbourne yards as does Y111, although 111 spent a decent amount of time in the 80's on the SG.
That GH in the dead end would be a pain to work around, especially with two locos. A victim of a red card perhaps?

Neil
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
wow - really enjoyed that story Dave!  That's a ripper!  Never knew about the bell signal from Broadmeadows.  Also, the petrol train ex Shepp.  would that not have been an empty heading to Corio?  Still a risk for the crew next to a fire!
Also, interesting about the cross - waiting for a goods from Brooklyn to be crossed and the petrol train stopped on the up suburban!
You could have backed him into Siding B LOL.
Regards
Shelton
Shazam75

Yes Shelton the     Shepparton  M.T. fuel train was heading to Corio  ex broadmeadows                                                                                              The line from broadmeadows to Albion was worked by Centiliased Traffic Control CTC ,from train Control Spencer Street but the entrance at each end was operated by broadmeadows at his end and Sunshine at the Albion end .                                                                                                           The bell codes were North East Goods; 2 long bells   ,  North East Pass; 2 short bells,     Apex goods from Kilmore East to either Brooklyn or Westall,     2 long bells 3 short.           ALL bell codes begin with , if it’s a pass ,short codes if it’s a goods long codes ,                                                         if it’s a light engine, most likely short long short, then there are others?.  
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         For trains leaving Sunshine you would bell trains to and work with St Albans , Broadmeadows ,then CTC to Rockbank, south Kensington,,Tottenham B Box and electric staff to Brooklyn.                                                                                                                                                                                     One pleasant afternoon shift just as the peak was beginning, I think it was around 1700 hours, Tottenham B Box bells out a strange bell code.           I looked at my mate, and he looked at me that’s because sunshine was a 2 man signal-box.                                                                                               I rang Totty on the phone and the conversation with the signal assistant when something like this,                                                                         Sunshine;      Whats that you just sent us mate ?                                                                                                                                                                   Tott;           Thats the Fruity                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sun;                Doesn’t that normally go via North Geelong?                                                                                                                                           Totty  ------------------------------------------                                                                                                                                                                      Totty ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------                                                                              Sun;     Hello  Hello are you there mate,                                                                                                                                                                            Tott;    Oh no what am I going to do I,ve only been here a week                                                                                                                                       Sun;   Listen Mate, you can’t get away with this just remember the things you did get away with.                                                                                  Sun    You start writing your please explain and I,ll talk to Control .
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I then phoned Train control and told him that the Mildura fruit train has been wrongly routed and is heading to sunshine .                                         I would say at this time that the fruit train was more important than any passenger train .I have even blocked the Vinelander for it .to take priority. Train Control gets back to me , “Keep that train going” I then ask control a curly question ,                                                                                             Sun;   “Does the driver know the road to Ballarat “ .                                                                                                                                                         Control ;--------------------------------aaammmmm-----------------------                                                                                                                      I , Sunshine;  I,II wait till he stops at the home stick ,he will ring up and he will  ask ”,why have we gone the wrong way” ,and I will tell him and I will ask if he knows the road If it’s a Yes, I will  let him go . The driver did know the track,                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Just another day working in the museum, and loving IT                                                                                                                                               This is all before train to base radios train control or guards radios.                                                                                                                                  Sunshine had 2 signalmen on duty because you had to have somebody to play cards with.    
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
One question I did have is in relation to the Darling and Sons Mill siding - does anyone know how the GYs were unloaded?  Was there a platform for the mill workers to unload the wheat ?  I guess with the GYs having side doors, the grain must have been unloaded somehow through the side doors?

Regards
Shelton
I didn’t witness the unloading of grain at Darling and Sons Mill siding,
but hopefully there was grating on the floor for the grain to drop down on to an under ground elevator.
AS the doors were opened grain would flow, so at some places there were tractors with a long bar attachment
at front with a flat scrapper piece . to pull out as much ,then its manual labour for the blokes with grain shovels
which are similar to firemans shovels but with ready high side’s and a lot wider….out                                                                                                                
david harvey
I don't know about other locations but this is certainly how it was done at Kimpton's at Kensington.

The two GY doors were secured with a length of chain to prevent them opening more than, say, a foot (or thereabouts) allowing the grain to flow into a pit between and alongside the rails.

As David has described, the remainder would be scraped out by tractor with a long scraper probe thingy followed by shovels.
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
                                             


As David has described, the remainder would be scraped out by tractor with a long scraper probe thingy followed by shovels.
YM-Mundrabilla
Mr YM -Mundrabilla ,Im sorry that I gave you a Funny response that I gave too your serious reply .                                                                        Your posting was valid and I thank you for you contribution ,

but when you wrote the tractor had a long scraper probe thingy ,   well I burst out laughing .
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
Loving these stories from the signal box as a different perspective of life on 'the railways' back in the day.
I'm intrigued that Sunshine was a two man 'box because one of the few 'boxes that I was able to get into, legitimately, whilst on the job was Newport and that was a one man operation with four junction lines to deal with, plus Newport shops and the sidings around the area. I'm wondering if that wasn't because the manual levers had all been updated with electronic control, probably when it gained control of the lines as far as Altona Junction, but that's a guess. Was Sunshine still largely manual in your time, David?
As an engineman you didn't think about how many other people the signalmen had to communicate with to pass traffic on the line. Places without a junction would be simple, one in each direction, but Tottenham, Sunshine, Newport, North Geelong A, B and C and the like would get a lot more complicated. You just accepted that the signalman would send you where you were supposed to go. Mind you, train crew did have a responsibility to ensure they were on the correct line, so I wonder about the crew of that specific Fruit Flyer. The driver should have known he was supposed to go via Nth Geelong and, so, why didn't he stop at Tottenham and check, when the road was set for Sunshine? If he was a Ballarat driver it wouldn't have mattered; he'd know the road but that would create havoc for train control having to set up crosses on the fly. Maybe he just thought someone had changed the route and not told him? I reckon he'd also have got a 'please explain' from Head office which might have helped get the new signalman at Totty off the hook a little bit.  
For mine, I can't think of a time where the road was set to take us to the wrong location, so kudos to all those signalmen who ensured we went where we were supposed to.

Neil
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
Loving these stories from the signal box as a different perspective of life on 'the railways' back in the day.

For mine, I can't think of a time where the road was set to take us to the wrong location so kudos to all those signalmen who ensured we went where we were supposed to.

Neil
ngarner
Loving these stories from the signal box as a different perspective of life on 'the railways' back in the day  and as much as I am looking though my note books ,I am not making this stuff up,  This is  "champagne  railroading"  .

Sunshine was a two man 'box because one man worked the 78 lever mechanical frame (In my time) and also worked the electric staff to Brooklyn and also  received and delivered the staff from the trains whilst the other signalman worked the Albion Junction Panel which was totally manual with the thumb switches having to be cleared and reset for each train movement on the suburban lines . He also worked the CTC panel on the north and south lines to Rockbank but he also did the Train registrar book loging all the movements and answered all the bell codes and the phones .                                                                     Thats how the box was run during the peak in the am and the Pm During the day I could quite comfortably work the box on my own , the secret was that you had to remember the timetable  .We would swap over regularly one would work the frame ,one work the panels . Day and arvo shift had two blokes ,night shift had one. The other reason the was 2 signal men ,if a caution order had to be issued or leave the box for 5 minutes ,,the traffic stops

I,m sorry Neil, I must correct some information. I now for a fact that  Newport A Box was a two man operation with all those  junction lines to deal with. Exactly the same set up as Sunshine . The First class signalman at Newport in the Morning and afternoon would operate the Newport shops signal box. On the 3rd of January 1991 the Signalman position at Newport was abolished and they were then designated" Area Controller Newport".    Sunshine was  manual in my  time, and  loving it
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
                                             


As David has described, the remainder would be scraped out by tractor with a long scraper probe thingy followed by shovels.
Mr YM -Mundrabilla ,Im sorry that I gave you a Funny response that I gave too your serious reply .                                                                        Your posting was valid and I thank you for you contribution ,

but when you wrote the tractor had a long scraper probe thingy ,   well I burst out laughing .
david harvey
Thanks David.

I hadn't seen your comment as I prefer to 'lurk' without logging on these days so I don't see the 'likes, funny etcs'.
Even if I had there was no need to confess/apologise.

I was going to say the tractor had a 'long proboscis thingy' in lieu of 'scraper probe thingy' but thought better of it. !!!! Smile

This has been one of the best RP threads in a long time and reminded me of the many threads we used to have by 'those who had been there and done that'.....
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
Loving these stories from the signal box as a different perspective of life on 'the railways' back in the day.

Neil
I,m sorry Neil, I must correct some information. I now for a fact that  Newport A Box was a two man operation with all those  junction lines to deal with. Exactly the same set up as Sunshine . The First class signalman at Newport in the Morning and afternoon would operate the Newport shops signal box. On the 3rd of January 1991 the Signalman position at Newport was abolished and they were then designated" Area Controller Newport".    Sunshine was  manual in my  time, and  loving it
david harvey
Okay, so Sunshine was one man at night; Do you know if Newport A was the same? That was when I was most likely to be in the box. Changeovers between 9pm and 3am would fit the time I got in there - better than standing on the platform waiting in the dark with only a vague idea of where the train we were waiting for might be. That way we could get an idea of how much longer we had to wait (and for me to get in the way of the signalman, being busy sticky beaking at the panels and other things that were of interest to me).
So were you there in 1983 or earlier? If so, then there is the chance that we hand exchanged the Brookyn-Sunshine staff, since there were trains like the Apex quarry, Wodonga-Paisley oil, various Geelong bound grain and other trains that i worked through Sunshine to or from the loop line.

I notice that Newport A box is no longer as I remember it. They've gone and kept the base but knocked the cabin off and replaced it with some kind of relay room. Shame that, always an interesting place to visit.

Neil
  historian Deputy Commissioner

I notice that Newport A box is no longer as I remember it. They've gone and kept the base but knocked the cabin off and replaced it with some kind of relay room. Shame that, always an interesting place to visit.
ngarner

Probably what you meant, but just to be clear...

At Newport A, the mechanical signal box was demolished completely, and a new operating floor was placed on top of the existing relay room.

But you are right; an interesting place to visit.
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
 Newport A signal box had two signal men on the day shift as well as the afternoon shift , but one on night shift , same as Sunshine.
Neil ,I was a signalman in Ballarat  in 1983  and didnt go to Sunshine  till middle 1984.
Dave
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
Thanks Historian, you got what I meant even if I didn't write it correctly and your correction makes sense of what I meant for everyone else.

So that's why I was under the wrong idea that Newport was single manned; didn't get in there during day or afternoon shift.

Ballarat, eh, David?
Wonder if you were on duty the day, either '82 or '83, the local track gang decided to try to get themselves run down on Warrenheip bank by failing to protect themselves properly. Although, on second thought, they seemed to have a habit of doing that, from the comments of the Ballarat crews, so that the one time they did it in front of me was probably not the only time. The 'please explain' interview at Ballarat wasn't that much fun but considering their detonators were on the up side of Warrenheip Junction when they were more than a km beyond Warrenheip station wasn't very clever either. Having their flagman hide himself around one of the few blind corners on the hill instead of moving that little bit further up the hill so he was visible on the long straight preceding the curve was daft. So, the result was that we couldn't see him until too late, with a New X and two pass cars sailing past his nice red flag, held out with such intensity. Eventually stopping on the wrong side of the track machine removal stubs meant the whole gang and their machines had to go down to Ballarat itself to clear the line.
Lovely long delay for all concerned, especially as they took an age to come to a decision about how to clear the line. I have the impression there weren't many lateral thinkers in that gang. Track machine+rails+down hill grade=lets go down the hill instead of up!
Granted, we took an 'all clear' hand signal from two signal techs working on the down departure home at Warrenheip as an all clear after the detonators and so headed down the bank at line speed, which we shouldn't have but the signal techs should have kept their signals to themselves and we would have thought a bit more about what might be down the hill in front of us.

Neil
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
Ballarat, eh, David?

were on duty the day,  the local track gang decided to try to get themselves run down on Warrenheip bank

Neil
ngarner
 Not Guilty. I Have no memory of this incident your honor.

.I,m sorry what  happened to you and your passengers.

Wizzing down Warrenheip bank, mostly likely in 8th notch is a definite thrill,,,,,,l but not when the line is compromised

These days Warrenheip to Ballarat in a Veocity railcar about 5 minutes . vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvmmmmmmmmmmm

I think if you want to talk about Ballarat we could start another forum
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
Ballarat, eh, David?

were on duty the day,  the local track gang decided to try to get themselves run down on Warrenheip bank

Neil
 Not Guilty. I Have no memory of this incident your honor.

.I,m sorry what  happened to you and your passengers.

Wizzing down Warrenheip bank, mostly likely in 8th notch is a definite thrill,,,,,,l but not when the line is compromised

These days Warrenheip to Ballarat in a Veocity railcar about 5 minutes . vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvmmmmmmmmmmm

I think if you want to talk about Ballarat we could start another forum
david harvey
I think you're right; we're digressing from Shelton's theme, although I gather from various comments that not too many are objecting to our going off topic. Maybe one titled 'Memories of some old rail farts?' We could ramble on about anything then! Laughing
Turns out it was actually 1980, this incident, and we were back in Ballarat exactly a week later for the inquiry. One area that the railways could actually move rapidly.

Neil
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
Ballarat, eh, David?

were on duty the day,  the local track gang decided to try to get themselves run down on Warrenheip bank

Neil
 Not Guilty. I Have no memory of this incident your honor.

.I,m sorry what  happened to you and your passengers.

Wizzing down Warrenheip bank, mostly likely in 8th notch is a definite thrill,,,,,,l but not when the line is compromised

These days Warrenheip to Ballarat in a Veocity railcar about 5 minutes . vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvmmmmmmmmmmm

I think if you want to talk about Ballarat we could start another forum
david harvey
I think you're right; we're digressing from Sheldon's theme, although I gather from various comments that not too many are objecting to our going off topic. Maybe one titled 'Memories of some old rail farts?' We could ramble on about anything then! Laughing
Turns out it was actually 1980, this incident, and we were back in Ballarat exactly a week later for the inquiry. One area that the railways could actually move rapidly.

Neil
"ngarner"
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
Ballarat, eh, David?

were on duty the day,  the local track gang decided to try to get themselves run down on Warrenheip bank

Neil
 Not Guilty. I Have no memory of this incident your honor.

.I,m sorry what  happened to you and your passengers.

Wizzing down Warrenheip bank, mostly likely in 8th notch is a definite thrill,,,,,,l but not when the line is compromised

These days Warrenheip to Ballarat in a Veocity railcar about 5 minutes . vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvmmmmmmmmmmm

I think if you want to talk about Ballarat we could start another forum
david harvey
I think you're right; we're digressing from Sheldon's theme, although I gather from various comments that not too many are objecting to our going off topic. Maybe one titled 'Memories of some old rail farts?' We could ramble on about anything then! Laughing
Turns out it was actually 1980, this incident, and we were back in Ballarat exactly a week later for the inquiry. One area that the railways could actually move rapidly.

Neil
"ngarner"
"david harvey"
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
'Turns out it was actually 1980, this incident, and we were back in Ballarat exactly a week later for the inquiry. One area that the railways could actually move rapidly.'
Certainly YEARS faster than the ATSB.
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
'Turns out it was actually 1980, this incident, and we were back in Ballarat exactly a week later for the inquiry. One area that the railways could actually move rapidly.'
Certainly YEARS faster than the ATSB.
"YM-Mundrabilla"
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
'Turns out it was actually 1980, this incident, and we were back in Ballarat exactly a week later for the inquiry. One area that the railways could actually move rapidly.'
Certainly YEARS faster than the ATSB.
"YM-Mundrabilla"
"david harvey"
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
You appear to be having some problems there David. Quotes of other posts but nothing added. Pity, I'm sure that what we're missing out on is a good read.

Neil

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