The growing number of daily vehicle accidents which involve heavy vehicles

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Today there is a 3 truck collision on the western ring road causing peak hour traffic chaos.

Last week on 3 days there were truck collisions.  On a single day there were 3 different collisions involving heavy vehicles on the Monash.

We have now go to the point where the situation with heavy vehicles in Melbourne and around the state is unsustainable. After 5 years of policy talk from the government we still do not have:

1. An intermodal terminal in the eastern suburbs (Dandenong or similar)
2. A new terminal as promised to the west of the city.
3. Port Rail shuttles are announced several times from the government and not delivered.

We have less rail yard space now in the port area with Daniel Andrews taking the operations terminal out of service for a road building project.

We have no policy on container terminals with rail access for the west or the east.

We have no rail integration plan for the port

We have no rail integration plan for industrial railway hubs (as they have in europe and usa) where warehousing is linked to rail sidings like SCT.

We have warehousing companies waiting years for rail sidings to be approved.

We have a major player so sick of the politics and inaction (Salta) they have announced they will not be participating in the Port Shuttle Project.

What on earth is going on?

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
'What on earth is going on? '
Talk and spin and not necessarily in that order.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

'What on earth is going on? '
Talk and spin and not necessarily in that order.
YM-Mundrabilla
Along with Bureaucratic red-tape, inertia, and so on...
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The other major fault causing these collisions is drivers driving as though nothing can possibly go wrong. Tailgating, unsafe lane changing and general impatience are the things I see every day on the Monash Freeway and Eastlink.
When something does go wrong, there's no room or time to avoid the prang and he we go again.

In July and August this year, it was a pleasure to drive in France, Switzerland and Germany. The road manners are excellent, and trucks kept faithfully to their designated lanes. We cruised at 120 to 140 km/h for much of the time, and were overtaken by cars in the fast lane; demonstrating that "Speed Kills" is an Australian-made, money-making furphy.

It's driver incompetence that kills.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I have said it before in other threads but I will just say it again just for this thread:

Successful Port Rail Shuttles WILL NEVER HAPPEN IN MELBOURNE.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
A few facts to kill the hysteria

https://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoing/road-trauma-involving-heavy-vehicles.aspx

Over the decade, deaths from crashes involving any heavy truck decreased by 2.4 per cent per year. While deaths from crashes involving an articulated truck showed a decreasing trend, crashes involving a heavy rigid truck showed an increasing trend.

Most - 192 people - killed in 2017 in crashes involved heavy trucks (articulated and/or heavy rigid trucks), up 2.7 per cent on 2016. This represents 15.7 per cent of Australian road deaths in 2017. In 2017 deaths from crashes involving articulated trucks decreased while deaths from crashes involving heavy rigid trucks increased

So in summary you are 6 x more likely to be taken out by the guy/girl in the light vehicle in the lane next to you than the MACK behind you.


A few other stats to kill the party

Road deaths per 1b km driven

Norway 3.0
Switzerland 3.2
UK 3.4
Germany 4.2
Australia 5.2
Austria 5.1
Finland 5.1
Canada 5.1
France 5.8
NZ 7.2
USA 7.3

So I think while we can always do better, Australia's ranking is in line with similar large low density spread out countries like Canada, almost on par with Austria, Finland etc and not that far behind the usual bench mark of driver behavior, Germany.  Certainly better off that the other poster child used by some here, NZ!

Yes I would still like to see port shuttles and more freight on rails than road.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
The other major fault causing these collisions is drivers driving as though nothing can possibly go wrong. Tailgating, unsafe lane changing and general impatoience are the things I see every day on the Monash Freeway and Eastlink.
When smething does go wrong, there's no room or time to avoid the prang and he we go again.

In July and August this year, it was a pleasure to drive in France, Switzerland and Germany. The road manners are excellent, and trucks kept faithfully to their designated lanes. We cruised at 120 to 140 km/h for much of the time, and were overtaken by cars in the fast lane; demonstrating that "Speed Kills" is an Australian-made, money-making furphy.

It's driver incompetence that kills.
Valvegear
You lost me at "road manners are excellent" after mentioning the word France! Yes speaking from personal experience and my French neighbors will support me on this, mind you driving their typical C4's and similar there is only so much they can do. Its not like an Australian mum on a school run in a Patrol she cannot park.

The issue for Australia is our freeway infrastructure is typically a lower standard than many of these EU nations, although I would agree when its 3 lanes each carriage way there is no excuse for, 120km/h in middle and over taking lane and Trucks/heavy and slow vehicles stick to left and middle lanes only. But also note in the EU trucks often have lower speed limits that Australia permits and shorter. Also note apart from Germany, most EU nations happily toll their main roads and drive across Italy or France and you quickly watch the 20-50 EU notes disappear out of your pocket. But hey this is a rail group, why would we want to promote better roads.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
You lost me at "road manners are excellent" after mentioning the word France!
"RTT_Rules"
You obviously never lived in Melbourne where we have the worst-mannered motorists (I will not dignify them with the term "drivers' which inplies a certain degree of skill) that you will find anywhere.  In Paris it can get a bit rough, but otherwise it was excellent. Paris to Beaune; Beaune to Valloire; Valloire to Basel; Basel to Frankfurt; Frankfurt to Wertheim et al, with little or no angst at all.
Yes; there are tolls, which means that those who use the roads most, pay the most, and the roads are good. First morning back home on the Monash Freeway was a reality check, and not a pleasant one.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Another heavy vehicle crash this morning with a roll over.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
You lost me at "road manners are excellent" after mentioning the word France!
You obviously never lived in Melbourne where we have the worst-mannered motorists (I will not dignify them with the term "drivers' which inplies a certain degree of skill) that you will find anywhere.  In Paris it can get a bit rough, but otherwise it was excellent. Paris to Beaune; Beaune to Valloire; Valloire to Basel; Basel to Frankfurt; Frankfurt to Wertheim et al, with little or no angst at all.
Yes; there are tolls, which means that those who use the roads most, pay the most, and the roads are good. First morning back home on the Monash Freeway was a reality check, and not a pleasant one.
Valvegear
Hi,
No, I've never been so hard up to have to consider taking a job in Melbourne, but I've driven through there numerous times including last August.

I haven't been to Greece, maybe you may find some parallels with Greece for obvious reasons as the Greeks are not reknown for following the rules.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Yet another truck accident in the long conga line of trucks on the Hume.  Happened Today.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Yet another truck accident in the long conga line of trucks on the Hume.  Happened Today.
bevans
In your world of every truck is bad, the Fire would have happened on a train instead.
It was the contents that caught fire.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
A truck driver killing a family in Sydney yesterday.

Other news

https://www.9news.com.au/truck-crash

My point is there are many many truck accidents in Australia due to the volume of trucks and failed government policy.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
A truck driver killing a family in Sydney yesterday.

Other news

https://www.9news.com.au/truck-crash

My point is there are many many truck accidents in Australia due to the volume of trucks and failed government policy.
bevans
I previously sent the stats showing you are more likely to be hit by the car alongside you than the truck behind you.

The reality is even in a best case senario the number of trucks on the road would decrease by less than 10-15% as most freight on trucks is deemed non-contestable for rail including a number of the recent accidents.  

Yes we could and should do better but you wouldn't visibly notice any difference and the stats the govt sees show that heavy vehicle deaths are lower than cars.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

If I can choose between being hit by a Mazda2 or a B-double, I'll select option A thank you.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

People do actually choose the truck though.

Most collisions between light vehicles and heavy vehicles are preventable (not accidents) collisions caused by the driver of the light vehicle.
  allan Chief Commissioner

People do actually choose the truck though.

Most collisions between light vehicles and heavy vehicles are preventable (not accidents) collisions caused by the driver of the light vehicle.
justapassenger
Do you have evidence to support this claim?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Sure do. See the BITRE (Bureau of Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Economics) fact sheet on heavy vehicle safety.

Studies with various methods (i.e. whether shared fault is treated as 'neither' or 'both') have the car/motorcycle driver at fault between 56-85% of the time.
  C2 Locomotive Fireman

Tailgating is an obsession and risking innocent lives to save 5 mins is a must for drivers in Australia.
  allan Chief Commissioner

Sure do. See the BITRE (Bureau of Infrastructure, Transport and Regional Economics) fact sheet on heavy vehicle safety.

Studies with various methods (i.e. whether shared fault is treated as 'neither' or 'both') have the car/motorcycle driver at fault between 56-85% of the time.
justapassenger
https://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/2016/files/is_078.pdf
  Trans-Siberian Station Staff

Location: Krasnoyarsk, Siberia
People do actually choose the truck though.

Most collisions between light vehicles and heavy vehicles are preventable (not accidents) collisions caused by the driver of the light vehicle.
Do you have evidence to support this claim?
allan
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  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
If I can choose between being hit by a Mazda2 or a B-double, I'll select option A thank you.
michaelgm
I'm sure the truck drivers do too!

Not Australia, but...
The University of Michigan Transportation Research Institute — a leader in truck-related crash research, says ATA — studied 8,309 fatal car-truck crashes to determine fault. 81 percent of the time, car drivers were assigned at fault, says the study, versus 27 percent for truck drivers.Feb 14, 2013


And from Australia
https://www.budgetdirect.com.au/car-insurance/research/car-accident-statistics.html
Heavy Truck Involvement
Heavy truck accidents cause considerable more damage than normal vehicle accidents. Contributing factors are the time it takes trucks to respond to unexpected road conditions because of their total weight. It takes a truck considerably more time to slow down and stop than it does for a regular vehicle.
Over 78% of crashes with heavy truck involvement are classified as multiple vehicle in 2018 and only 16% are counted as single vehicle incidents. Comparing this to the statistic that 38% of non-truck involved road crashes are classified as single vehicle, reveals that truck drivers are much less likely to crash on their own than normal car drivers. 10% of all road crash fatalities in 2018 involved heavy trucks, but it is estimated that only 20% of those crashes are attributed as the truck driver’s fault, demonstrating that on average truck drivers are safer drivers than other vehicle drivers.

So is the answer to improved road safer less trucks through freight on rail or less cars through greater use of PT.....


EDIT: Some more interesting data from that website
- 73% of all accidents caused by males
- Younger drivers cause more accidents
- Vic's have the lowest crash rate (I bet all the NSW readers are rolling their eyes on this one),
- WA / NT far highest crash rate
- Kangaroo's account for 9/10 collisions with animals


So to make the roads even safer again  (yes below is a joke/sarcasm, please read it this way).
- Ban cars
- Ban young drivers
- Ban male drivers
- Ban driving in WA and NT
- Cull the roo's

One for Don: As cars become more automated there is hope that a reduction in road fatalities will be observed.

- Remove the steering wheel ASAP.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The result of a heavy vehicle breaking the law this morning causing major disruptions on 2 lines for Vline.

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2161536.htm#2161536
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Shane, whilst moving slightly off topic, preferably to hit a roo than an oncoming vehicle or gum tree. Many occasion country drivers seem to ignore this concept.
The last roo I hit, didn't exactly happen that way. Being familiar with the location and wildlife, expected to encounter some and did. I'd come to stop, and one crashed into the drivers door,  window open. Ah f...

As for banning your male drivers, may be some merit there.Laughing  Although, restrictions are placed on passenger numbers and times. Red and green P's, in NSW. Unsure of particular details.

Recently watched a YouTube clip of a comedian visiting a tesla dealership in the states, LA? salesman stated that despite auto drive, driver was still liable for any accident.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
How do the police go about catching the truck that does the damage ?

Queensland have cameras at the crossings.

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