Severe weather and Bushfire thread 2019/20

 
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Tough conditions in South Australia this afternoon.  Several dangerous fires, winds gusting to 90 km/h, and temps in the low to mid-40s:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-20/south-australia-bushfires-catastrophic-conditiions-live-updates/11706204

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  SinickleBird Chief Train Controller

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
And atrocious behaviour by the power company to shut off power in lower Eyre Peninsula.

Presumably not confident that their maintenance regime will prevent arcing, and afraid of litigation if it does.

It’s an essential service, not an optional one. Surely a contractual obligation exists.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

And atrocious behaviour by the power company to shut off power in lower Eyre Peninsula.

Presumably not confident that their maintenance regime will prevent arcing, and afraid of litigation if it does.

It’s an essential service, not an optional one. Surely a contractual obligation exists.
SinickleBird
Port Lincoln Airport weather reports show temperatures above 40 degrees since before 11am, and with winds blowing at above 50kmh, with gusts to 80kmh. I can certainly understand the power company feeling nervous.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Well, this just shows the insidious impact of climate change.

Average temperatures are higher. The bush is drier. Fire seasons are longer. The window of opportunity for backburning is smaller, so fuel loads are heavier. Caused by a matchstick or not, rainforests now burn. The chance of rain in any case to douse the fires is less. Etc, etc, etc.
Rain-forests have never become dry to the point of bushfire before - it's only a consequence of anthropomorphic climate change? Oh dear, another one that needs under their bed and wardrobe checking for carbon monster. In absence of that I'll tell you that it just ain't real and it's just politically-motivated clap-trap, will that help you to sleep tonight?
don_dunstan
Your politics requires you ignore the science. Tell all those affected to get over it, and those next in line as well.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
And atrocious behaviour by the power company to shut off power in lower Eyre Peninsula.

Presumably not confident that their maintenance regime will prevent arcing, and afraid of litigation if it does.

It’s an essential service, not an optional one. Surely a contractual obligation exists.
Port Lincoln Airport weather reports show temperatures above 40 degrees since before 11am, and with winds blowing at above 50kmh, with gusts to 80kmh. I can certainly understand the power company feeling nervous.
duttonbay
Headed to NSW.
Southern areas of the state have been unscathed so far. Hot dry wind and powerlines are a dangerous combination and conditions on the ground are just as volatile.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

And atrocious behaviour by the power company to shut off power in lower Eyre Peninsula.
SinickleBird
Correct behaviour by SA Power Networks, authorised by the Electricity Act 1996 and undertaken in consultation with the CFS and BOM.

Presumably not confident that their maintenance regime will prevent arcing, and afraid of litigation if it does.
SinickleBird
The actual reason is that the wind speeds were high enough that there was a high probability of windborne debris taking out lines.

It’s an essential service, not an optional one.
SinickleBird
So is fire prevention.

Surely a contractual obligation exists.
SinickleBird
No. The Electricity Act 1996 specifically excludes any liability for disruption during an emergency.

Even if it was an at-fault disruption, it was too short to have triggered an automatic payment.
  SinickleBird Chief Train Controller

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
Interesting. Thanks for the detailed response, justapax.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Well they've declared a Code Red here in Nthn Vic, and most of the schools and childcare centres are being shut.  Even those in the middle of town.  Knee-jerk reaction I think, since most of the grass is still green in these parts.  Further North - yeah sure.  But not in Bendigo....
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Bored unsupervised school kids and hot dry day. What could go wrong?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Bored unsupervised school kids and hot dry day. What could go wrong?
apw5910
And we wonder why kids aren't resilient these days...
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Further to JAP’s response about the Eyre Peninsula switch off, I have many friends and family over there.

A great many of the people on Eyre Peninsula are either have a great understanding of the devastation caused by fire, or are members of the CFS.

No sensible person living there would be complaining too hard about the outage, they understand the benefit.
  RedEyeExpress Locomotive Driver

Location: Melbourne
Strong, hot winds in southeastern Melbourne
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

95 Km/h winds, dust storm, most of Bendigo is out of power.  Filthy day.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
95 Km/h winds, dust storm, most of Bendigo is out of power.  Filthy day.
Carnot

Big dust storms in Mildura at present.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Going by the CFA map, it looks like the fire may have damaged the Echuca line near Strathallan.
  SAR520SMBH Junior Train Controller

It has been reported that the cause of the Yorketown bushfire, on S.A's Yorke Peninsula, was caused by an electrical fault on a pole mounted transformer at the town's water tower.
Who knows, a similar disaster may have been avoided by cutting the power to the lower Eyre Peninsula.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Check out the picture of this vset caught in a firestorm last week in the Blue Mountains. I would feel very safe in one of these.

https://www.bluemountainsgazette.com.au/story/6484754/leave-the-mountains-says-rfs-chief/#slide=3
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

It has been reported that the cause of the Yorketown bushfire, on S.A's Yorke Peninsula, was caused by an electrical fault on a pole mounted transformer at the town's water tower.
Who knows, a similar disaster may have been avoided by cutting the power to the lower Eyre Peninsula.
SAR520SMBH
It will be interesting to see what comes out of this in the preliminary review and the full inquiry.

I'm sure that the decision criteria for suspending the electricity supply would have been followed correctly, but I wouldn't be surprised if the preliminary review recommends an adjustment to the decision criteria which would apply until there can be a proper review at the end of the season.

The question would then turn to whether the failure of the transformer could have been reasonably prevented.

This map (no Facebook account needed to view) shows the area burned as of 9am yesterday.

Yesterday saw Coulson Aviation deploy the 737 Fireliner in SA for the first time, dropping its distinctive red retardant near Edithburgh.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Well, this just shows the insidious impact of climate change.

Average temperatures are higher. The bush is drier. Fire seasons are longer. The window of opportunity for backburning is smaller, so fuel loads are heavier. Caused by a matchstick or not, rainforests now burn. The chance of rain in any case to douse the fires is less. Etc, etc, etc.
Rain-forests have never become dry to the point of bushfire before - it's only a consequence of anthropomorphic climate change? Oh dear, another one that needs under their bed and wardrobe checking for carbon monster. In absence of that I'll tell you that it just ain't real and it's just politically-motivated clap-trap, will that help you to sleep tonight?
don_dunstan
No!
  Brianr Assistant Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
Check out the picture of this vset caught in a firestorm last week in the Blue Mountains. I would feel very safe in one of these.

https://www.bluemountainsgazette.com.au/story/6484754/leave-the-mountains-says-rfs-chief/#slide=3
ANR
Thanks for this, some of the Woodford photos taken from front of my home which I sold in 2010 (after 28 years)and emigrated to NZ. So glad I did. Ex-neighbours told me they got to bed at 3am. I shared a similar experience with them in January 2002.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
A 13 year-old girl was caught and charged with lighting fires in bushland around Adelaide's southern suburbs immediately after the stonking hot 41 degree day that we had. Its an unfortunate reality that many of these fires were deliberately lit -
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Its an unfortunate reality that many of these fires were deliberately lit -
don_dunstan
Sadly most are. Very few are "natural disasters", those not deliberately lit are lit by careless/stupid humans who should know better. Makes nonsense of claims like: "It's nature fighting back" etc.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Check out the picture of this vset caught in a firestorm last week in the Blue Mountains. I would feel very safe in one of these.

https://www.bluemountainsgazette.com.au/story/6484754/leave-the-mountains-says-rfs-chief/#slide=3
ANR
Looks like it was going past, surprised NSW trains didn't pull the safety card and stop services.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Its an unfortunate reality that many of these fires were deliberately lit -
Sadly most are. Very few are "natural disasters", those not deliberately lit are lit by careless/stupid humans who should know better. Makes nonsense of claims like: "It's nature fighting back" etc.
Graham4405
Sadly not a one off.

NSW Rural Fire Service volunteer charged after allegedly lighting seven fires
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-27/nsw-rfs-volunteer-charged-over-lighting-fires/11741412
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Sydney's air pollution today was terrible, with many bushfires burning in, and around the City, this pollution is expected to hang around for a few more days at least, there are over 100 fires burning in N.S.W, with many of these uncontained, of concern the most tonight, is a fire down south near Bateman's Bay, this has burnt well over 1,000 hectares, and is still at Emergency Warning level tonight.

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