Old cement siding at Albion?

 
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
So if post 27 is vertically challenged, how do you describe one that sits between running lines and measures 30cm at best? Just curious.

Neil
"ngarner"

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  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
So if post 27 is vertically challenged, how do you describe one that sits between running lines and measures 30cm at best? Just curious.

Neil
"ngarner"
"david harvey"
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
So if post 27 is vertically challenged, how do you describe one that sits between running lines and measures 30cm at best? Just curious.

Neil
david harvey
Maybe a signal that sits between the lines is an "integrated micro managed semaphore"
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West

Very interesting - Low Speed from the Home Signal on Platform 2 to the B Siding (itrue) - also do you remember the Dwarf Signal that was on Platform 1 in the DOWN direction?
I am always intrigued whether this signal being a dwarf signal, did it display Red/Green or Red/Yellow or was it three aspects Red/Yellow/Green for any Down movements from the UP Line (Road 1).  99% of the time it was at red.

Photo by Weston Langford
Regards
Shelton
Despite possibly sounding politically incorrect, the correct term for obvious reasons is 'Dwarf signal'.

Mike.
The Vinelander
This must be Pick on Post 27 week ,it might be a Dwarf signal .but it took 3 signal levers to operate it .Back in the day before Post 27 was a dwarf signal,there were 3 Disc signal  on the one post. When the 3 Disc signal was abolished it was  replaced with Post 27.To maintain the interlocking in the signal box the 3 separate levers still applied to each movement . Make the road to C siding Massey Ferguson, pull lever 27; make the road to B siding or the Bendigo line ,pull lever 28; make the road to the North or South line to Ballarat ,pull lever 29 . So Post 27 might be  vertically challenged but it did 3 times as much !!
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
So, David has answered Shelton's question about which lines post 27 applies to. As I surmised, all except the up Bendigo.
"Integrated micro managed semaphore" - that's good! and we don't get into the non PC area of calling short things dwarfs

Neil
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
So, David has answered Shelton's question about which lines post 27 applies to. As I surmised, all except the up Bendigo.
"Integrated micro managed semaphore" - that's good! and we don't get into the non PC area of calling short things dwarfs

Neil
ngarner
I will be politically correct and not refer to you as the fat controller ,sorry bariatric controller.
  Shazam75 Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Sunshine Signal Box - 2011 - may bring back memories for some.



https://youtu.be/1Jb1GxN8A3Y

Regards
Shelton
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
Great video Shelton. Sunshine appears physically bigger than I remember Newport to be but that could be time talking. Also some good visuals of B siding both in real life and signal diagram representations.
David, missed your parcel shelf in the footage; you'll have to post a time stamp of when it appears. I gather that the couch must have been a later addition to the 'box. I know I'd go with that over a loco cab floor (or parcel shelf for that matter) Laughing

Neil
  Shazam75 Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
Unforuntately Neil, the footage was taken after the Levers were removed Sad
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
Unforuntately Neil, the footage was taken after the Levers were removed Sad
Shazam75
That could explain why the middle of the 'box' looked quite comfortable, nothing along the visual image David's description generated. Even so, the lever frame must have been huge. Even back in my days, Newport had an electronic panel for South Newport to Altona Jcn, similar to the Ballarat line one from memory, and still had its lever frame; yet I would still say it seemed smaller.

Neil
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
Unforuntately Neil, the footage was taken after the Levers were removed Sad
Shazam75
That could explain why the middle of the 'box' looked quite comfortable, nothing along the visual image David's description generated. Even so, the lever frame must have been huge. Even back in my days, Newport had an electronic panel for South Newport to Altona Jcn, similar to the Ballarat line one from memory, and still had its lever frame; yet I would still say it seemed smaller.

Neil
"ngarner"
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
David could probably answer this one better than i can but it was rare to get a green light from a dwarf signal. The vast majority of time they displayed yellow when at proceed. I feel that someone thought that green on a dwarf might give an engineman the wrong idea and he (she) might go a bit too hard, although with a maximum speed of 15km permitted on getting a proceed indication on a dwarf you'd be hard pressed to get into too much trouble, at least speed wise; can't say the same for not hitting anything.
Semaphore dwarfs were more obvious. You could see whether they had a green or not and, again, the majority only had yellow or purple. Yes, I didn't mis-type that; purple was used on semaphore dwarfs, probably to help distinguish them from other signals.

Neil
ngarner
I always thought the colour used on modern stabling road and other siding signals (they are not really Dwarfs more like anorexic osteoporosis suffering 2 colour light signals) was referred to as Westinghouse Purple even though I reckon it's Blue. I think the proceed aspect is White.

Is this a throwback to Purple used on Semaphore Dwarf signals?

Will try to remember to check on Monday when I am on the Down Swanners, I reckon there is Dwarf or similar signal protecting the Down Main from the stub siding outside ARC in Albion.
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
David could probably answer this one better than i can but it was rare to get a green light from a dwarf signal. The vast majority of time they displayed yellow when at proceed. I feel that someone thought that green on a dwarf might give an engineman the wrong idea and he (she) might go a bit too hard, although with a maximum speed of 15km permitted on getting a proceed indication on a dwarf you'd be hard pressed to get into too much trouble, at least speed wise; can't say the same for not hitting anything.
Semaphore dwarfs were more obvious. You could see whether they had a green or not and, again, the majority only had yellow or purple. Yes, I didn't mis-type that; purple was used on semaphore dwarfs, probably to help distinguish them from other signals.

Neil
I always thought the colour used on modern stabling road and other siding signals (they are not really Dwarfs more like anorexic osteoporosis suffering 2 colour light signals) was referred to as Westinghouse Purple even though I reckon it's Blue. I think the proceed aspect is White.

Is this a throwback to Purple used on Semaphore Dwarf signals?

Will try to remember to check on Monday when I am on the Down Swanners, I reckon there is Dwarf or similar signal protecting the Down Main from the stub siding outside ARC in Albion.
BrentonGolding
I,m not an expert but I did spend a few years at Sunshine and every body does have their own opinion on safe-working, the Dwarf signal at Albion  protecting the Down Main from the stub siding outside ARC in Albion he is the new kid in town ,haven't seen him in the flesh but I suppose throws is purple light,  Is this a throwback to Purple, used on Semaphore Dwarf signals and  has a family history of purple lights.There were a few Semaphore Dwarf signals around ,they were the signal arms that were drawn on a circular enamel target(eg ,Dandenong) and would show a"Clear low speed " indication, the points are set ,the road is clear to the next fixed signal and that signal is at proceed . Drivers had enough to contend with so the less red lights the better on the main line and purple on the shunt roads.
dave
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
Wow - amazing stories -but true  yes I too didnt know Sunshine was a two man box crew
and just as well it did have.

!
david harvey


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One afternoon Tottenham bells out a Adelaide goods and within 10minutes it turns up so we begin to make the road out of the Goods lines and across the suburban lines and my mate cant clear the Number 6 signal which is the departure signal into the North line to Rockbank( Ballarat). BY now the goods 9121 is out on to the suburban lines and on to the down main line so I through back the down home at the end of the No 2 plat form (That was my decision ,9121 was going extremely slow and was a platform length from the home stick) ,Still cant get any signals ,it looks like a total failure of the CTC system . 9121 pulls up at the home signal and I go out and apologise to the drive for throwing the stick back ,and I explain the situation. It was better that he stop there than stop at the next signal which was 600 metres around the corner. So now both suburban lines are blocked .As Shelton had mentioned ,you cant  back oa train out of Number 3 road to Totty ,but I can back one out of Number 2 road to Totty. Just then the signal box door opens and who should walk in , ,,,no none of you good folk will ever guess. .It was the Senior Safe Working Inspector from Flinders Street Mr Ron McCloud . I told him the situation . and the other signalman john he rang the fitters and train control whilst I told the crew of 9121 not to move the train till I return .I hoped in Mr McCloud HG Holden and we speed a round to Tottenham B Box and Mr McCloud ran up the stairs and opened the door and her is the signal assistant lying back in the chair ,feet on the table watching Television, well did he wet him self for he knew Ron McCloud and he knew he was in trouble . All Mr Mcloud said was"You know your not meant to be watching that so put it away we've go work to do".SO he put it away and that a was all that was said about it I think . we went to Tottenham B Box to get  a Signalman's Wrong Line Order  which basically said I the signal man at Tottenham will not let t any train pass down this line until the train returns to the station in the rear . We the left with the order ,gave it to the driver of 9121 and he then could set back on to the goods lines knowing the line behind him was clear . The guard was also in formed . This was all done before radios . The order was then returned to Tottenham B  Box for without it returning he couldn't send any trains down the line.
"david harvey"
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
Unforuntately Neil, the footage was taken after the Levers were removed Sad
Shazam75
Unfortunatelythe levers were remomed ,it lost it romance but roll on progress
  C2 Junior Train Controller

Yer great days those 80's any signal man knew what a young gunzul meant when I said ™ whens  the  next Jet due through"and  he would oblige in the  most Gracie's way of panic grabbing picture magazine then lighting a Winfield blue as the bells toll and it's C506 in VR with a VR S. So thankyou Sunshine Box you where my Crystal Ball.
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
CONTINUED FROM ABOVE                                                                                                                                                                                                                The Centrisied Traffic Control on the Broad gauge to Rockbank had failed not the standard gauge CTC though Sunshine.                                                 This was all done before radios. The order was then returned to Tottenham B Box for without it returning he couldn't send any trains down the line. 9121 only set back far enough to clear the main suburban lines and set back behind the home departure off the Goods Lines. The Signalman’s Wrong Line Order was then returned to the Signalman at Tottenham B Box where it was originally issued from so normal traffic could be restored. With a total failure of the CTC system on the broad gauge not the Standard gauge at Sunshine, contingency plans were soon in place to enable traffic to continue running. Traffic would be seriously disrupted, there was no such mention of buses being ordered. Two Safe Working Inspectors arrived by train and they were Messes Brain Symons and Peter Close.  As the head of the department from Flinders Street, Mr Ron McCloud departed and left the scene in charge of his subordinates. The decision was made to that traffic was to be run between Sunshine and Rockbank by means of working trains by mean of a Pilotman. This in effect would mean that a pilotman would become a human staff and accompany each train though the section,(Subject to certain conditions). “Where are we going to find somebody to be a Pilotman this later in the day?” the conversation went. I  was due off at 1400 hours and whist there were no volunteers for the position I reluctantly said “I’II be your pilotman if you can’t get anybody else, I am due off now and I’d hate to see the traffic delayed  as I felt guilty the system had failed when I was running it.” “Okay, you can be the Pilotman                                   “the reply can back for the Blocko. Now the paper work was soon to begin. I tried not to make it that obvious but I was positively elated at the news. The criteria for being a Pilotman is this,                                                                                                         1/ Must be a railway employee.                  2/Must be at least 18 years of age.       3/Must have a left arm above the elbow.  

                                                                                                                Now I know that the last request sounds a little off beat but a pilotmans badge has to be worn on the left arm above the elbow so all concerned will know who he is. It   is a red coloured cloth with the word “PILOTMAN” in white letters tied around the left arm. To establish working a section of track by means of a pilotman involves a little bit of paper work but it roughly means that the station master and Signalman at each end of the section get a signed authority from the pilotman as well as each intermediate station advising them of the situation. The pilotman must get the signature’s from the signalman at each end of the section on HIS authority form before any train can traverse the section.The pilotman can use a train to travel through the section if the train has a proper authority to travel though the section by not relying on the pilotman, a good example would be if there was a staff out of the instrument and a train use that staff to travel through the section. The section in question would be Sunshine to Rockbank. In Sunshine’s case the South Line would be booked out and all traffic would be run on the North Line and because it was CTC the signalman at Sunshine is to be considered the Train Controller. The home  departure signal No 3 south line to Rockbank and  home  departure signal No 6 north line to Rockbank  was displaying red and had blocking jacks  fixed into the signal panel and signal post 3 over 16 at Rockbank into the single line section had blocking jacks  fixed into the signal panel as well. Blocking jacks are similar to signal sleeves and prevents the signal from being operated. The Pilot Staff was pulled from the Pilot Staff box by one of the Safe Working Inspectors and was handed to me It was inscribed Sunshine to Rockbank North Line. I also wrote out a TR 13 C Signalman’s Caution Order to pass a fixed signal at Stop on Centralised Traffic Control. I still didn’t have the signature from the signalman at Rockbank but with all these other safe guards in place and the blessing of the Senior Safe Working Inspector, I went down to the Station Masters Office to hand the paper work over to the Station Master John Lerm, just as the down Ballarat passenger pulled into the platform hauled by veteran loco B 67. I climbed aboard and the driver did know what was going on as he was advised at the last station in the rear which was Footscray that pilot working was in force.  We slowly went around to post 6 and I presented the driver with the Caution Order, the pilot key and my paper work as the authority for and the Working Office was the law and I had to follow their instructions. The pass passed Signal 6 at stop and entered the single line section with the next stop being Deer park where I climbed down from the cab and when to the station office where I handed a pilot working form to this intermediate station. We than set of for Rockbank and fortunately the home signal on the down was working so a green aspect was displayed on the home arrival. B67 arrived at the platform and I immediately left the loco and made my way to the signal box where got my pilot working form signed by the signalman there to complete my paper work. I then removed the pilot key from the pilot box which was lettered Rockbank to Sunshine North Line. With the two portions I then screwed them together to form the Pilot Staff for the section and waited for the next train to take me back to Sunshine.        TO BE CONTINUED
  Shazam75 Chief Commissioner

Location: Brisbane
wow - I remember John Lerm!  The station master!  He used to live at St. Albans.
That B Class, did it run LE from DYNON for this purpose ?

Regards
Shelton
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
wow - I remember John Lerm!  The station master!  He used to live at St. Albans.
That B Class, did it run LE from DYNON for this purpose ?

Regards
Shelton
Shazam75
John Lerm he was about 7 foot tall in his Station Masters hat , nice bloke,,

The B  class B67, was on a down Ballarat passenger train, ran from Spencer Street to B-rat
Next adventure coming up found my note book.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Unforuntately Neil, the footage was taken after the Levers were removed Sad
That could explain why the middle of the 'box' looked quite comfortable, nothing along the visual image David's description generated. Even so, the lever frame must have been huge. Even back in my days, Newport had an electronic panel for South Newport to Altona Jcn, similar to the Ballarat line one from memory, and still had its lever frame; yet I would still say it seemed smaller.
ngarner

The dismantled locking frame was dumped in the Spotswood reclamation depot, from which I purchased two small bits: two locking dogs connected by a short bridle iron, and an M1 lever lock. When I opened the later at home I found I had also purchased a mummified skeletal mouse who had been in the wrong place when the contacts had made. With the exception of the mouse, they are kicking round in the garage somewhere.
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
CONTINUED FROM ABOVE                                                                                                                                                                                                                The Centrisied Traffic Control on the Broad gauge to Rockbank had failed not the standard gauge CTC though Sunshine.                                                 This was all done before radios. The order was then returned to Tottenham B Box for without it returning he couldn't send any trains down the line. 9121 only set back far enough to clear the main suburban lines and set back behind the home departure off the Goods Lines. The Signalman’s Wrong Line Order was then returned to the Signalman at Tottenham B Box where it was originally issued from so normal traffic could be restored. With a total failure of the CTC system on the broad gauge not the Standard gauge at Sunshine, contingency plans were soon in place to enable traffic to continue running. Traffic would be seriously disrupted, there was no such mention of buses being ordered. Two Safe Working Inspectors arrived by train and they were Messes Brain Symons and Peter Close.  As the head of the department from Flinders Street, Mr Ron McCloud departed and left the scene in charge of his subordinates. The decision was made to that traffic was to be run between Sunshine and Rockbank by means of working trains by mean of a Pilotman. This in effect would mean that a pilotman would become a human staff and accompany each train though the section,(Subject to certain conditions). “Where are we going to find somebody to be a Pilotman this later in the day?” the conversation went. I  was due off at 1400 hours and whist there were no volunteers for the position I reluctantly said “I’II be your pilotman if you can’t get anybody else, I am due off now and I’d hate to see the traffic delayed  as I felt guilty the system had failed when I was running it.” “Okay, you can be the Pilotman                                   “the reply can back for the Blocko. Now the paper work was soon to begin. I tried not to make it that obvious but I was positively elated at the news. The criteria for being a Pilotman is this,                                                                                                         1/ Must be a railway employee.                  2/Must be at least 18 years of age.       3/Must have a left arm above the elbow.  

                                                                                                                Now I know that the last request sounds a little off beat but a pilotmans badge has to be worn on the left arm above the elbow so all concerned will know who he is. It   is a red coloured cloth with the word “PILOTMAN” in white letters tied around the left arm. To establish working a section of track by means of a pilotman involves a little bit of paper work but it roughly means that the station master and Signalman at each end of the section get a signed authority from the pilotman as well as each intermediate station advising them of the situation. The pilotman must get the signature’s from the signalman at each end of the section on HIS authority form before any train can traverse the section.The pilotman can use a train to travel through the section if the train has a proper authority to travel though the section by not relying on the pilotman, a good example would be if there was a staff out of the instrument and a train use that staff to travel through the section. The section in question would be Sunshine to Rockbank. In Sunshine’s case the South Line would be booked out and all traffic would be run on the North Line and because it was CTC the signalman at Sunshine is to be considered the Train Controller. The home  departure signal No 3 south line to Rockbank and  home  departure signal No 6 north line to Rockbank  was displaying red and had blocking jacks  fixed into the signal panel and signal post 3 over 16 at Rockbank into the single line section had blocking jacks  fixed into the signal panel as well. Blocking jacks are similar to signal sleeves and prevents the signal from being operated. The Pilot Staff was pulled from the Pilot Staff box by one of the Safe Working Inspectors and was handed to me It was inscribed Sunshine to Rockbank North Line. I also wrote out a TR 13 C Signalman’s Caution Order to pass a fixed signal at Stop on Centralised Traffic Control. I still didn’t have the signature from the signalman at Rockbank but with all these other safe guards in place and the blessing of the Senior Safe Working Inspector, I went down to the Station Masters Office to hand the paper work over to the Station Master John Lerm, just as the down Ballarat passenger pulled into the platform hauled by veteran loco B 67. I climbed aboard and the driver did know what was going on as he was advised at the last station in the rear which was Footscray that pilot working was in force.  We slowly went around to post 6 and I presented the driver with the Caution Order, the pilot key and my paper work as the authority for and the Working Office was the law and I had to follow their instructions. The pass passed Signal 6 at stop and entered the single line section with the next stop being Deer park where I climbed down from the cab and when to the station office where I handed a pilot working form to this intermediate station. We than set of for Rockbank and fortunately the home signal on the down was working so a green aspect was displayed on the home arrival. B67 arrived at the platform and I immediately left the loco and made my way to the signal box where got my pilot working form signed by the signalman there to complete my paper work. I then removed the pilot key from the pilot box which was lettered Rockbank to Sunshine North Line. With the two portions I then screwed them together to form the Pilot Staff for the section and waited for the next train to take me back to Sunshine.        TO BE CONTINUED
"david harvey"
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
I,m sorry this is not meant to be the dave harvey show but
I am have terrible problems trying to down load a reply to the forum with the conductivity of the wi Fi  connection
so I every time i try to post a lengthy forum it disappears or it posts the previous ,
I am gett it sorted at my end Im not coputher litterite
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
I,m sorry this is not meant to be the dave harvey show but
I am have terrible problems trying to down load a reply to the forum with the conductivity of the wi Fi  connection
so I every time i try to post a lengthy forum it disappears or it posts the previous ,
I am gett it sorted at my end Im not coputher litterite
david harvey
Keep trying David, what you have successfully posted is highly entertaining. I can't add much to this thread as my experiences weren't focussed on Sunshine. As I've already posted, I really would need to start another thread to cover other of my experiences without going completely off topic.
I can't say that I ever experienced pilotman working; not sure if that's a good thing or not, but then considering there weren't that many CTC or ATC (Automated Track Control) lines it's probably not surprising. Train Staff, Double line block & three position automatic dominated in my time. I gather things have changed considerably as I've seen references to Train Orders, something that didn't exist at all, and I know Train Staff is basically dead in regional Vic.

Neil
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Upper Kumbuctor West
Hello citizens
I would like to make a few corrections,                                                                                                                                                                 After finding my note book the saga continues, One of the Safe Working Inspectors names is incorrect, his correct name is Mr. Peter Symons not Brain.  Also safe-working can be a complex subject. I sure there are readers out there saying, “That’s not right “, that not correct” I can’t dictate every detail, this isn’t the forum for that, just because it’s not written here doesn’t mean to say that a certain process didn’t happen.  With the two pilot keys in my possession, both departure signals into the section were secured at stop. I then engaged in general conversation with Michael who was the Signal Assistant at Rockbank as I had talked to him for years over the block phone but until now had never met him. Ding Ding, 2 bells from Melton, the pass was no its way to take me back to Sunshine.. Fortunately the phone system was working between Rockbank and Sunshine so trains didn’t have to run on the time interval. The next train arrived to take me back to Sunshine which was the local Bacchus Marsh Railmotor, 56 RM .Both Driver and Guard were together so I  didn’t have to go and find the Guard and explain myself. 56 RM ran express to Sunshine were it ran directly into Number 3 road and terminated. I alighted from the RM and sitting in Number 2 road which was the Down Bendigo Line was locomotive C501 with its long load of wagons blocking the suburban lines .This was the goods that was set back towards Tottenham B box earlier in the day.  I made my way up to the signal- box where instructions were given, so I went down to the driver of 9121 an told him that I was the Pilotman and I would be dispatching him and he would be running on time interval to Rockbank and that he was authorised to pass signal Number 6 at the stop position and enter the signal line section and I would follow on the next train  .Fortunately for the  signalman at Sunshine had pre-warned the driver and the Guard of the circumstances so with the formalities out of the way ,C501 sounded its Lesley Nathen’s and it was away. C501 with its train safety passed through Rockbank and I made my way back to Railmotor 56 for the trip back to Rockbank. After briefly waiting for an electric staff for the Rockbank to Melton section the railmotor was away any I waited for my next ride back to Sunshine which turned out to be an up passenger hauled by T383 and T363. I advised the guard of the running condition and climbed on the loco where I showed the driver all my paper work but he didn’t seem to interested in that ,he was more interested in how the was going to pass the Home Departure Signal into the section seeing that I wasn’t giving him a caution order.
I was full bottle on the procedures since Sunshine was an unusual place where the signalman was the train controller only on the CTC panel between Sunshine and Rockbank. I told the driver that I wasn’t just the parcels assistant that was gabbed off the platform, that I was one of the signalmen from Sunshine Box and under Section 20 of the CTC rule book which paragraphs the Failure of the Signalling Apparatus ;Clause D ;Sub-Clause (IV) and states that signal applicable to entering a single line section must be kept at stop ,but Drivers may pass such signals when instructed to do so by the pilotman. I then said to the driver “Seeing that I am the Pilotman, I am authorising you to pass signal 3 over 16.” The driver of pass just looked at me and he eventually said “How do you remember all that crap” to which I replied “It’s sad isn’t it, but no different to you having to describe how the brake system works”. After all that discussion, we eventually sailed into Sunshine where I disembarked and I headed straight to the signal-box for the next train which was waiting on the goods lines. It had become evident that quite a few trains had been cancelled and replaced by buses otherwise these goods trains would not be getting such a good run. Just arrived at the platform was a brand new Australian National locomotive BL 32 in the green and gold livery.
After giving verbal instruction to pass Post 6 the driver of BL 32 opened up the throttle and away we went arriving at Rockbank in record time to find 1st series X class sitting in No 2 road. With the down goods away the guard of the Up goods was on the platform so I told him he would be “Pilotman Accompanied”. The guard hoped down into the pit and started to walk back to the guards van where about I made my way with the driver up on to the cab of X41, where we just made small talk till the tap was pulled and a partial air loss in the brake pipe till it registered on the gauge. That was   instigated by the guard of the train to advise the drive that he was aboard the guards van and was right to go .Away we went ,now it wasn’t long till we stopped at Sunshine Number One platform  where I alighted and made my way to the signal-box. It was there that I received the news that I was to be replaced due to long hours so with replacement paper work, I handed over the pilot keys and the Pilotman’s arm badge to the new Pilotman.                      

                 



  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
Thanks for persisting, David.
Driver of that up pass seemed to be overly concerned about something simple. He'd have done it with autos at stop regularly enough, without questioning it. I'd have said, "fine, you're in charge, lets go".

Neil

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