New Sydney Intercity Trains

 
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Shane, a bit over the top, my apologies.
Mick.
michaelgm
No issue.

For the record most of the jobs I've had previously no longer exist and I've received 3 redundancies.

My first job developing medical X-ray film in Top Ryde, was automated a 1-2 years after I left. They didn't do it at the time because the Dr's I worked for didn't want to loose me because of the other work I did. The whole X-ray film industry is now gone as X-ray is now mostly digital, ie contributed to the global failure of Kodak and Fuji Films.  

My last job in Aus, I was one of 7 in the country, my job was merged on same site 1-2 years after I left with two other sites closed, so only 4 left in the country.  Yes myself and my counterpart in other team contributed to it being merged, although I didn't know it would happen and it was the whole upper production leadership team that was merged so about 10 jobs gone. No I don't do that job anymore, going expat was a deliberate decision to get out of that function which I saw as very narrow scope (although enjoyable) in aluminium to a more broader role that crosses over into other industries.

No I don't like or enjoy seeing people loose their jobs, regardless of the reason. I have fought hard to keep my Indo-Paki-Phillipines team in UAE by making their roles more effective and transparent to HR and those external consultants who do productivity reviews and I can tell you my team have 1000000 x more to loose if they loose their job than an Aussie in Australia. However I do recognise when a job/task has come to the end through technology and the trick is not let it tap you on the shoulder but be one step ahead. Doing my job properly will ultimately lead to its demise for which I predict in 5-8years as my team skills increase and use of technology. That's my job, not theirs.

Automation in for up board rail crew will be progressive and take decades, if it was to happen at all in our career lifetime due to the upfront CAPEX and in most cases the lost jobs will be redeployed to new roles, which has happened elsewhere. We all know the days of jobs and even careers for life are over, if not you need to.

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  DCook Chief Train Controller
  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

It mentions they can travel up to 160km/h.  Will they be certified for service up to 160km/h, or at least above the current 130.   Potential for a minute or 2 time saving on newcastle express services.
  Xavier Station Master

Location: Newcastle, AU
It mentions they can travel up to 160km/h.  Will they be certified for service up to 160km/h, or at least above the current 130.   Potential for a minute or 2 time saving on newcastle express services.
tazzer96

I doubt the max line speed between Newcastle - Sydney is anything close to 160 (or even 130). Some drivers here may be able to confirm but I am guessing the max line speed is closer to 100 or 110
  AheadMatthewawsome Junior Train Controller

Location: Opening Train Lines
It mentions they can travel up to 160km/h.  Will they be certified for service up to 160km/h, or at least above the current 130.   Potential for a minute or 2 time saving on newcastle express services.

I doubt the max line speed between Newcastle - Sydney is anything close to 160 (or even 130). Some drivers here may be able to confirm but I am guessing the max line speed is closer to 100 or 110
Xavier
Correct me if I am wrong, because I am too young to be a driver. But if you check this video, the highest is 125 km/h just before Woy Woy, but that is for Generation 4 trains, Gen 2 and 3 have 115km/h. It should be the highest speed limits within Sydney and the Intercity Lines. The second highest is 115 km/h in the Mount Wondabyne Tunnel.

All of the Generation 4 trains should all be able to get up to 160 km/h. But do not expect them to be doing that in any regular service, ever.



https://youtu.be/lSB9eKWdV7I?t=3960
  Kset56 Station Master

Location: Somewhere
Here is a link to the independent report which details how the trains are actually safe to operate.

https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/documents/2019/Independent%20Review%20of%20the%20New%20Intercity%20Fleet%20Operating%20Model%20-%20Dec%202019%20-WCAG%20-.pdf
  seb2351 Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
We do reach 130km/h in a number of spots. Ourimbah to Tuggerah for instance.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

I thought the Millemon train was the only lemon on the rails...

https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/rail-tram-and-bus-union-says-nsws-new-intercity-trains-are-lemons-and-pose-a-risk-to-passengers/news-story/a72f081a534824049367d10d1bff3c6e
ANR
It is for now - the D sets ain't in revenue service yet.
  Nichole the Otter Station Master

According to info from Sydney Trains Vlogs, the consists and carriage number/prefix system for D sets will be the following.

4-car sets (D1 - D65): DD97?? - DN85?? - DND83?? - DDA93??

6-car sets (D101 - D165): DD98?? - DNL88?? - DT96?? - DN86?? - DND84?? - DDA94??

Last two digits will correspond with the set number, much like the A/B sets. The prefix system is the weirdest one ever, in fact weirder than the V set cars.
  C3765 Train Controller

The prefix system is the weirdest one ever, in fact weirder than the V set cars.
Nichole the Otter
I’m guessing but I’m pretty sure, the first “D” is for Double Deck or D Set. The second letter is the same as the other sets.

D = Driving/Control Trailer
N = Non Control Trailer
T = Trailer
NL = Non Control Trailer with Toilet for H Sets

Therefore:
DD = Driving Trailer
DDA = Second Driving Trailer
DND = Toilet Car? As both sets have one.
DNL = Toilet Car? However only 6-Car sets have them so maybe not.
DN = Non Control Trailer
DT = Trailer

So it makes sense if you think about it just like the V Sets.
  DCook Chief Train Controller

Location: The standard state
To me it raises the question, why couldn't we do it like the oscars
For 4 car sets OD, ON, ONL and OD
For 6 car sets OD, ON, OT, OT, ONL and OD
Is there any real reason for the two driver trailers to have a different code symbol?
  Nichole the Otter Station Master

I agree the prefix system is too complicated. Continuing the OD/ON/ONL system like the G/H sets surely would have been simpler as the D sets are very much an overglorified H set with inferior seating.
  AheadMatthewawsome Junior Train Controller

Location: Opening Train Lines
The first D Sets have arrived to Sydney. These are trains number D3, and D103. They seem like they are going back to just having 4 cars on each train again. And they seem like that all carriages are quiet carriages.

In my own opinion, I think they are great trains! But they will never be able to beat the V Sets.

Here are some videos from STV of the new sets:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_NkqbXS7N4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tz6Ulw1I9s
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

The first D Sets have arrived to Sydney. These are trains number D3, and D103. They seem like they are going back to just having 4 cars on each train again. And they seem like that all carriages are quiet carriages.

In my own opinion, I think they are great trains! But they will never be able to beat the V Sets.

Here are some videos from STV of the new sets:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_NkqbXS7N4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tz6Ulw1I9s
AheadMatthewawsome
They are being delivered in 4 car and 6 car sets but will run as 4, 6, 8 and 10 car lash ups.
  DCook Chief Train Controller

Location: The standard state
All carriages are quiet carriages?
That does not seem right
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

The first D Sets have arrived to Sydney. These are trains number D3, and D103. They seem like they are going back to just having 4 cars on each train again. And they seem like that all carriages are quiet carriages.

In my own opinion, I think they are great trains! But they will never be able to beat the V Sets.

Here are some videos from STV of the new sets:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_NkqbXS7N4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tz6Ulw1I9s
AheadMatthewawsome
First D sets? This was the second transfer - D2/102 were transferred a day before D3/103
  M636C Minister for Railways

All carriages are quiet carriages?
That does not seem right
DCook
All the carriages have an orange strip half way up the doors.
About half the carriages have "quiet car" lettering in white on the strip, the remainder are blank.

So more or less as now...

Peter
  M636C Minister for Railways

After looking at stopped frames of videos, I’ve found...



DD  9702               D2

DN 8502

DND8302

DDA9302

DD 9802                D102

DNL8802

DT 9602

DN 8602

DND8402

DDA9402



Set D3/D103 was the same but had the four car set at the other end...

So far the DDs are at the North end, DDAs at the South end.

Peter
  Nichole the Otter Station Master

Interesting that they’ve changed the “Quiet carriage” label designations as it was more obvious to spot on V and H sets. I’m guessing 4 and 8 car services will be the same as applied to V/H sets currently, but for 6 car sets, I guess only the front and rear cars get Quiet designation and the middle four cars don’t. Will create unusual circumstances for the 4 + 6 cars combination.
  M636C Minister for Railways

Interesting that they’ve changed the “Quiet carriage” label designations as it was more obvious to spot on V and H sets. I’m guessing 4 and 8 car services will be the same as applied to V/H sets currently, but for 6 car sets, I guess only the front and rear cars get Quiet designation and the middle four cars don’t. Will create unusual circumstances for the 4 + 6 cars combination.
Nichole the Otter
I'm not sure there will be many 8 car sets...
Because of the smaller seating capacity, a ten car D set will be needed to carry the passengers from two H sets, for example.

There are 56 4 car D sets and 55 six car D sets.
I expect that ten car sets will run during peak hours and six car sets during off peak.

To balance the number of quiet cars, the single trailer car in the six car set should become a quiet car.

The codes are:
DD and DDA   driving cars
DN                 power cars
DND               power car with disabled toilet
DNL               power car with standard toilet
DT                 trailer car

Six car sets have all three types of power car
Four car sets have one DN and one DND.
So all trains will have at least one disabled toilet.

Peter
  scott4570 Chief Train Controller

Series of Run Numbers used to distinguish NIF trains are formulated as follows.

N - denotes the North, running between Sydney and Newcastle Interchange.
W - denotes the West, running between Sydney and Lithgow.
C - denotes the South Coast, running between Sydney and Kiama / Port Kembla.
Y - denotes Empty NIF trains running between Sydney and Metropolitan / Outer Metropolitan Locations.

The following range of numbers are added to complete the Run Number, which go toward indicating the Consist:-
400 - 489:  10car sets with 4car set Leading.
600 - 689:  10car sets with 6car set Leading.
700 - 799:  4car or 6car set.
800 - 899:  8car set.

What happens if there has been some form of disruption to the normal timetable and the following occurs:-
10car set: 6car set is Leading instead of a 4car set ?
10car set: 4car set is Leading instead of a 6car set ?
The following range of numbers are used, to indicate a Transposition has taken place:-
490 - 499:  10car sets with 4car set Leading.
690 - 699:  10car sets with 6car set Leading.
  C3765 Train Controller

Testing of the new D Sets began last night. D102 became the first D Set to run under its own power. Apparently, 10-Car testing will begin tomorrow evening. These early tests are done on isolated tracks and are only to test its interactions with signals and electrical systems. Once these tests are complete the D Sets will be able to run to its testing location under its own power instead of being loco hauled.

Edit: Yeah, D102. Always get numbers mixed up when I try to remember them off of the top of my head.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

Testing of the new D Sets began last night. D103 became the first D Set to run under its own power. Apparently, 10-Car testing will begin tomorrow evening. These early tests are done on isolated tracks and are only to test its interactions with signals and electrical systems. Once these tests are complete the D Sets will be able to run to its testing location under its own power instead of being loco hauled.
C3765
Sydney Trains Vlogs says D102.



https://youtu.be/3SYGllBNqSE
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

Sydney Trains Vlogs says D102.

SupremeLeaderSmeagol


nice straight section of track at Mt Druitt .... wonder if they maxed out or limit the speed on the high speed runs ...

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