3801 Boiler and it's return to operation

 
  DM45 Station Master

Location: Redland City
My bad - sould be http://www.artc.com.au/customers/operations/notices/taa

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  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Its going to Glenfield.

Tuesday 10th December
6L37 - Chullora 0018, Enfield West 0037, Sefton Park Jnc 0039, Liverpool 0056, Glenfield 0104. Enter Possession at Glenfield to complete testing then 6S38 Depart Glenfield 0330, Liverpool 0339, Sefton Park Jnc 0400, Enfield West 0404, Chullora 0428.
  The Inevitable Looney Station Staff

Its going to Glenfield.

Tuesday 10th December
6L37 - Chullora 0018, Enfield West 0037, Sefton Park Jnc 0039, Liverpool 0056, Glenfield 0104. Enter Possession at Glenfield to complete testing then 6S38 Depart Enfield 0330, Liverpool 0339, Sefton Park Jnc 0400, Enfield West 0404, Chullora 0428.
LowndesJ515
Thanks, appreciate the update.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Its going to Glenfield.

Tuesday 10th December
6L37 - Chullora 0018, Enfield West 0037, Sefton Park Jnc 0039, Liverpool 0056, Glenfield 0104. Enter Possession at Glenfield to complete testing then 6S38 Depart Enfield 0330, Liverpool 0339, Sefton Park Jnc 0400, Enfield West 0404, Chullora 0428.
LowndesJ515
Thanks for the post Lowndes, a bit screw iffy with the times and location for the return though.

I would imagine a few early birders out to see the event.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Its going to Glenfield.

Tuesday 10th December
6L37 - Chullora 0018, Enfield West 0037, Sefton Park Jnc 0039, Liverpool 0056, Glenfield 0104. Enter Possession at Glenfield to complete testing then 6S38 Depart Enfield 0330, Liverpool 0339, Sefton Park Jnc 0400, Enfield West 0404, Chullora 0428.
Thanks for the post Lowndes, a bit screw iffy with the times and location for the return though.

I would imagine a few early birders out to see the event.
a6et
Next time i wont bother
  a6et Minister for Railways

Its going to Glenfield.

Tuesday 10th December
6L37 - Chullora 0018, Enfield West 0037, Sefton Park Jnc 0039, Liverpool 0056, Glenfield 0104. Enter Possession at Glenfield to complete testing then 6S38 Depart Enfield 0330, Liverpool 0339, Sefton Park Jnc 0400, Enfield West 0404, Chullora 0428.
Thanks for the post Lowndes, a bit screw iffy with the times and location for the return though.

I would imagine a few early birders out to see the event.
Next time i wont bother
LowndesJ515
I was being tongue in check nothing more, as I appreciate the post and timetable, no doubt so will others.

Apologies if you took offence.
  DCook Chief Train Controller

Location: The standard state
With all the recent fire bans is the test still scheduled to happen or has it been postponed?
  Spinner5711 Train Controller

With all the recent fire bans is the test still scheduled to happen or has it been postponed?
DCook
If there are any fire bans in place, the trialling will not happen.  It is not worth the risk of starting a fire outside the firebox and it may not be appreciated by the wider community.
  Bevan Wall Deputy Commissioner

With all the recent fire bans is the test still scheduled to happen or has it been postponed?
DCook
The trial has been cancelled.  
The locomotive should be ready by mid January.
BW
  TheFish Chief Train Controller

Location: Pyongyang
With all the recent fire bans is the test still scheduled to happen or has it been postponed?
If there are any fire bans in place, the trialling will not happen.  It is not worth the risk of starting a fire outside the firebox and it may not be appreciated by the wider community.
Spinner5711
We've waited this long. We can wait a little longer.

Thirlmere itself is going to close tomorrow until Tuesday because of the proximity of the Green Wattle Creek fire.

We've all just got to get through this, but there is no telling when that might be...
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
So are they going to have no mainline trials whatsoever?
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

So are they going to have no mainline trials whatsoever?
lsrailfan
https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/fire-information/fires-near-me

Given the current circumstances, a smart move by THNSW.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
So are they going to have no mainline trials whatsoever?
https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/fire-information/fires-near-me

Given the current circumstances, a smart move by THNSW.
michaelgm
I understand the fire risks, I meant after everything has settled down, I thought they might put off the trials until then...
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Given the current situation and the delays to 3801's return so far it would be an excellent PR tool to defer the trials as well as minimising any real or imaginary risk.
Disappointing, I know.
  a6et Minister for Railways

Given the current situation and the delays to 3801's return so far it would be an excellent PR tool to defer the trials as well as minimising any real or imaginary risk.
Disappointing, I know.
YM-Mundrabilla
Have to agree, with the way the weather is ATM, with the total fire ban, and I read where it mentions solid fuels in particular that points to fossil type fuels like coal and wood fires, also the kettle type BBQ's the last thing that would be needed would be some hot ash to fall through the grates and escape from the pan while the engine's in motion, whether that is by means of perception, if - buts, maybe's and similar.

In this case, erring on the side of ultra caution is the best thing to take place.
  neillfarmer Chief Train Controller

In steam days all the lines had a firebreak bulldozed along the both boundary fences and kept clear of vegetation. I remember putting out a fire beside the line after a Garratt had gone up Tumulla Bank. Most lineside fires come from sparks emitted from the chimney when working hard. When diesels took over the firebreaks seemed to gradually disappear even though non-turbo diesels also emit sparks.
I agree, better to defer the trial runs until the weather is safer.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
In Victoria the local Gang used to burn the railway reservation each year. They were armed with nothing more than a knapsack pump and a few 'beaters' which were old truck tarpaulins cut into strips about 70 mm wide and perhaps 500 mm long. A number of these strips were attached to a wooden broom handle type pole. There was a set period each year when these 'beaters' were also placed in brakevans on trains.

These days Metro usually slashes or mows the reservation in its territory. No idea what Vline does.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
In Victoria the local Gang used to burn the railway reservation each year. They were armed with nothing more than a knapsack pump and a few 'beaters' which were old truck tarpaulins cut into strips about 70 mm wide and perhaps 500 mm long. A number of these strips were attached to a wooden broom handle type pole. There was a set period each year when these 'beaters' were also placed in brakevans on trains.

These days Metro usually slashes or mows the reservation in its territory. No idea what Vline does.
YM-Mundrabilla
The state of the ROW in V/Line territory is (in my opinion) pretty variable. On the Bendigo line grass is certainly slashed in areas at certain times of year however through Macedon / Woodend in particular the trees grow right up to and overhang in some places the line itself which must be a huge fire risk as well as being a safety risk to crew and passengers alike.

I was travelling down the bank one day and a driver remarking about the trees said "take a look at an old photo of the line here and you notice one thing straight away - the lack of trees". He was saying that it used to be kept far enough back to prevent trees falling on the tracks not to mention the obvious fire risks.

I know of at least 3 occasions in the last few years when fallen trees have caused delays on the line, one in particular which smashed the windscreen of a V'locity. Must have been awful for the driver.
  a6et Minister for Railways

In steam days all the lines had a firebreak bulldozed along the both boundary fences and kept clear of vegetation. I remember putting out a fire beside the line after a Garratt had gone up Tumulla Bank. Most lineside fires come from sparks emitted from the chimney when working hard. When diesels took over the firebreaks seemed to gradually disappear even though non-turbo diesels also emit sparks.
I agree, better to defer the trial runs until the weather is safer.
neillfarmer
Neil, the graded fire breaks were an integral part of the annual W&W's program, especially at locations with heavy grades.

The responsibility for the annual work was with the area managers along with their head gangers who would travel the sections to take stock of the growth from the trackside to the fence lines. Where burn offs were needed, it was often followed by the grading over of the burn stubble.  

An area that often cropped up was when a fire got through the fences and caught on the farmers side of the fences, they were by law had to keep their side of the boundary fences clear as well.

When the 421cl were sent west they were found to be the cause of many fires along the Scenic as they were bad at emitting burnt carbons through the exhaust, not as spectacular as the roman candle displays we had on 41 classes though.

I wonder at the coal quality that the garratt had in the bunker though, as western coal which was supplied on them normally it was rare for them to emit hot cinders to that degree with Western coal, unless it had coal that was a mix of the Northern coal supplied to Lithgow, Oge & Dubbo supposedly for 38cl use only.
  a6et Minister for Railways

In Victoria the local Gang used to burn the railway reservation each year. They were armed with nothing more than a knapsack pump and a few 'beaters' which were old truck tarpaulins cut into strips about 70 mm wide and perhaps 500 mm long. A number of these strips were attached to a wooden broom handle type pole. There was a set period each year when these 'beaters' were also placed in brakevans on trains.

These days Metro usually slashes or mows the reservation in its territory. No idea what Vline does.
The state of the ROW in V/Line territory is (in my opinion) pretty variable. On the Bendigo line grass is certainly slashed in areas at certain times of year however through Macedon / Woodend in particular the trees grow right up to and overhang in some places the line itself which must be a huge fire risk as well as being a safety risk to crew and passengers alike.

I was travelling down the bank one day and a driver remarking about the trees said "take a look at an old photo of the line here and you notice one thing straight away - the lack of trees". He was saying that it used to be kept far enough back to prevent trees falling on the tracks not to mention the obvious fire risks.

I know of at least 3 occasions in the last few years when fallen trees have caused delays on the line, one in particular which smashed the windscreen of a V'locity. Must have been awful for the driver.
BrentonGolding
In many areas of NSW there were trees growing up very close to the lines, even to the point on the Blue Mountains, parts of the Main Northern line North of Kootingal, Ardglen range both sides of tunnel, also from Woy Tunnel to south of Cowan, Illawarra line Waterfall to Thiroul and parts south of Shellharbour it was not uncommon to have trees and saplings hit by trains as they hung over the lines, growing out of crevices in the sand stone.

It was the drivers responsibility to notify the staff at the next attended station or control in staff huts. of any such problems along with any fires that may break out.

When the 83-86 drought broke on the North of NSW, the biggest problem was the amount of scotch thistles that grew up alongside the lines, moreso on the lines towards Premier and NW line to Moree, at the time the gangers had been offered danger money rate of $1.50 each if they did not have flagmen stationed each side of where the gang was working.

I was working a train to Narrabri and in the section from Breeza to Watermark there were two curves to the right, and the thistles were over 2 metres high and right up to the ballast, I had not been notified of the gang working there and when we came around the corner doing 60Km/h my mate called out there were hairy legs on the line, I hit the emergency brake, and as I came into view of them (we were on 3x48cl) I saw them diving into the thistles each side of the track, also noticed a jack under the rail which also got flung away as we hit it.

The Aboriginal ganger ganger who I knew came up and looked a bit paler than usual apologised and asked had I been notified at Breeza, I said no, and there should have been a note on the staff which wasn't there. Both of us submitted reports and nothing came of it as the WB working and mass cut backs had really started to impact.  The Thistles eventually browned off and died, and lay beside the track for ages.

From what I observe these days, the overhangs are often still there but a lot more attention is given to keeping fire breaks clear on the ROW side of the fence but also on the other sides as well.
  FMAChet Station Staff

My apologies if I appear rude, but since the trials have been delayed, has there been a time frame, official or estimate, when the trials for 3801 will take place? Understandably since the firebans are affecting it.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
My apologies if I appear rude, but since the trials have been delayed, has there been a time frame, official or estimate, when the trials for 3801 will take place? Understandably since the firebans are affecting it.
FMAChet
I assume it will be following sufficient precipitation to allow fire bans to be lifted. I'm not sure there's anyone here who can tell us when that will be...
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I agree with postponing the trial. It wouldn't matter if a fire started 50 km away against the wind, some idiot would blame the loco, and that is angst that we just don't need.
  FMAChet Station Staff

I assume it will be following sufficient precipitation to allow fire bans to be lifted. I'm not sure there's anyone here who can tell us when that will be...
Graham4405
I understand about the bush fires, and I agree that the trials should be postponed to avoid causing any more, but with no official word, it’s hard to t like if we have to wait until next March, May, or heck, even next decade for 3801’s return, as silly as it sounds.


I agree with postponing the trial. It wouldn't matter if a fire started 50 km away against the wind, some idiot would blame the loco, and that is angst that we just don't need.
Valvegear

Agreed.
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
even next decade for 3801’s return, as silly as it sounds.
FMAChet
You know the next decade is only 3 weeks away?

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