Climate Change Confusion

 
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I think you’ll find they’re missing FROM C2’s top paddock Donald...

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  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Pretty sure he’s a full 100 cents short of a dollar.
  C2 Junior Train Controller

Platinum coins not paperback .What happend to VB Andy? I liked him
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Boomer? I’d take a hefty wager I am younger than you...
Aaron
You are clearly not nuanced enough to realise that the comparatively recent popular 'OK Boomer' phenomenon is more about attitude rather than age. You have the attitude of a privileged old fogey regardless of your immaturity.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Might as well preserve what we have as an economy and try and survive
Aaron
No.

They are mutually exclusive.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
That conflicts with the guardian newspaper article I quoted a couple months ago that they can make aluminium with renewables in Deutchland. You did say you spend 300 odd on electricity yet panels are a waste.
C2
I said at the time, they don't make aluminium off renewables as such, they ramp up and down to help balance the grid from the variable input from renewables.

Yes, solar panels are effective energy source apart from night night or if they are poorly installed.
  C2 Junior Train Controller

I found that article in my FB it's hydrogen they use not renewables. Then I heard that Poland sell hydrogen to Deutch  as value add from coal mining. So  I got  no idea now.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I found that article in my FB it's hydrogen they use not renewables. Then I heard that Poland sell hydrogen to Deutch  as value add from coal mining. So  I got  no idea now.
"C2"


Aluminum is made from electricity, only! The source of which can be  from various modes, right now large scale hydrogen fueled power stations big enough to run even the small aluminium smelter in Hamburg do not exist.

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/hamburg-wants-build-worlds-largest-hydrogen-plant

Right now you would waste hydrogen production on a smelter which needs a pretty consistent power supply and normally enables coal or gas power stations to run in their most efficient sweet spot in CO2 per unit of energy produced compared to say the transport industry. The transport industry is far more polluting and this would be the focus for H2 demand either as H2 fuel cell or EV charged via H2 in conjunction with PV solar and/or wind.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The Australian is reporting that 183 arsonists have been arrested and charged in NSW alone in the last few weeks; and yet there's still people arguing that bush-fires emerge spontaneously from nothing.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
The Australian is reporting that 183 arsonists have been arrested and charged in NSW alone in the last few weeks; and yet there's still people arguing that bush-fires emerge spontaneously from nothing.
don_dunstan
Bushfires are mainly caused by arsonists/dry lightening strikes/cigarette butts dropped out of the window, climate change has nothing to do with it.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The Australian is reporting that 183 arsonists have been arrested and charged in NSW alone in the last few weeks; and yet there's still people arguing that bush-fires emerge spontaneously from nothing.
Bushfires are mainly caused by arsonists/dry lightening strikes/cigarette butts dropped out of the window, climate change has nothing to do with it.
lsrailfan
I read a story today about the inconsistent legal treatment of arsonists from state to state too (don't ask me for a link, look for it yourself) - Queensland in particular they've had to warn and then let go lots of under-age-of-consent children who have lit very dangerous fires that have destroyed property because they're not considered responsible.

As I said earlier my own state of South Australia has a rigorous program for monitoring people who have been convicted or given warnings etc before and by and large this kind of close monitoring has worked in preventing arson... although there's been several instances in the last week of unfortunate arson attacks at Aldinga and Sellick's Beach.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
South Australia does not take sentencing of arsonists seriously.

Pretty sure Helen White is likely on parole now, she lit ‘allegedly’ something like nearly 50 fires, pleaded guilty to about half that, 20 or so IIRC.

Arson carries a 20 year term in SA per offence, and she was given a measly 13 with a non parole of only 9. I was in court on the day of her sentencing, she and her counsel were astounded that she was going to prison. I just remember thinking how I couldn’t believe they entertained the idea that she wouldn’t, and how smeg 9-13 was.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
South Australia does not take sentencing of arsonists seriously.

Pretty sure Helen White is likely on parole now, she lit ‘allegedly’ something like nearly 50 fires, pleaded guilty to about half that, 20 or so IIRC.

Arson carries a 20 year term in SA per offence, and she was given a measly 13 with a non parole of only 9. I was in court on the day of her sentencing, she and her counsel were astounded that she was going to prison. I just remember thinking how I couldn’t believe they entertained the idea that she wouldn’t, and how smeg 9-13 was.
Aaron
Yeah she should be out on parole by now - News.com.au. I hope someone is going to keep a very close eye on this woman, she appears to be unapologetic and will likely be a big risk to any community she lives in, especially if its in the country.

How come you were in court for her sentencing, did she directly impact on you? You don't have to answer, I'm just curious.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
The Australian is reporting that 183 arsonists have been arrested and charged in NSW alone in the last few weeks; and yet there's still people arguing that bush-fires emerge spontaneously from nothing.
Bushfires are mainly caused by arsonists/dry lightening strikes/cigarette butts dropped out of the window, climate change has nothing to do with it.
lsrailfan
Got a link to that article? Did The Oz simply report a tweet and pretend it was accurate because they knew that their readership is so gullible? Is it 183, which is close to 200, or is it 24?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-08/fires-misinformation-being-spread-through-social-media/11846434
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The Australian is reporting that 183 arsonists have been arrested and charged in NSW alone in the last few weeks; and yet there's still people arguing that bush-fires emerge spontaneously from nothing.
Bushfires are mainly caused by arsonists/dry lightening strikes/cigarette butts dropped out of the window, climate change has nothing to do with it.
Got a link to that article? Did The Oz simply report a tweet and pretend it was accurate because they knew that their readership is so gullible? Is it 183, which is close to 200, or is it 24?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-08/fires-misinformation-being-spread-through-social-media/11846434
DirtyBallast
News.com.au - we've been discussing this ad nausea - most bush-fires are made by people. Queensland police have caught about 60 teenagers and 40 adults in the last month ALONE.

How much more evidence do you need? It's people who light the fires - they don't light themselves unless its lightening strike.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
A fire near my parents house (no serious danger) whilst we were in Europe was deliberately lit by a couple of juvenile delinquents.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
That is no serious danger to their house.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I attend the courts for a bit of a giggle at the judicial system from time to time.

A friend’s mother is a magistrate here in Adelaide, sometimes we go to see her*, sometimes we just waste a lunch break watching bikies trying to intimidate from the box, sometimes it’s a case of interest and I/we will attend specifically to see it.

IIRC I was in court the day that smeg was sentenced because that sentencing was occurring on the day another friend was being admitted to the bar.

*Including the day she was relieving a colleague hearing some traffic cases, a some guy appearing before her to have his licence conditionally reinstated kept calling her ‘Your Majesty’ instead of ‘Your Honour’ - that’s one way of gaining her favour I guess.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
The Australian is reporting that 183 arsonists have been arrested and charged in NSW alone in the last few weeks; and yet there's still people arguing that bush-fires emerge spontaneously from nothing.
Bushfires are mainly caused by arsonists/dry lightening strikes/cigarette butts dropped out of the window, climate change has nothing to do with it.
Got a link to that article? Did The Oz simply report a tweet and pretend it was accurate because they knew that their readership is so gullible? Is it 183, which is close to 200, or is it 24?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-08/fires-misinformation-being-spread-through-social-media/11846434
News.com.au - we've been discussing this ad nausea - most bush-fires are made by people. Queensland police have caught about 60 teenagers and 40 adults in the last month ALONE.

How much more evidence do you need? It's people who light the fires - they don't light themselves unless its lightening strike.
don_dunstan
I am glad that you finally agree with me that only 24 people out of the 183 were actually charged with arson. Still too many, but it's not 183, is it?

For the record I have NEVER claimed that climate change has started any fires, nor that the majority of fires starting are not due to some sort of careless human activity. It is mischievous of your good self to suggest otherwise.

Arson is different to other human causes in that it implies maliciousness. Arson is only a five letter word, surely it is not beyond your capabilities to learn what it actually means. Why did you shriek that 183 fires caused by humans were an act of arson? Because, your interpretation of things is shoddy at the best of times.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.

...she was relieving a colleague...
Aaron
Shocked
  neillfarmer Chief Train Controller

The Australian is reporting that 183 arsonists have been arrested and charged in NSW alone in the last few weeks; and yet there's still people arguing that bush-fires emerge spontaneously from nothing.
Bushfires are mainly caused by arsonists/dry lightening strikes/cigarette butts dropped out of the window, climate change has nothing to do with it.
Got a link to that article? Did The Oz simply report a tweet and pretend it was accurate because they knew that their readership is so gullible? Is it 183, which is close to 200, or is it 24?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-08/fires-misinformation-being-spread-through-social-media/11846434
News.com.au - we've been discussing this ad nausea - most bush-fires are made by people. Queensland police have caught about 60 teenagers and 40 adults in the last month ALONE.

How much more evidence do you need? It's people who light the fires - they don't light themselves unless its lightening strike.
don_dunstan
While I think this is largely true I believe that thick mulch can, under the right conditions, spontaneously combust.  Such fires would be rare, as the thickness required would be unlikely to be present in Australia's bushland.
Queensland sugar mills store bagasse over the wet season and cover it to prevent spontaneous combustion. These heaps get so hot that at depths of a metre temperatures can be too hot to leave a hand there. I have seen fires start in both bagasse heaps and mill mud piles, mill mud which is mostly fibre with some sugar will self ignite at much shallower depths. Ironically, the presence of moisture is necessary to start the decomposition which increases the temperature and starts these fires.
Astounding that the number of people caught lighting fires is over 100.
A psychiatrist said today that these people are mentally sick, they are compelled to light fires and penalties do not come into their mind when following through on their compulsion.
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

Wet paper stacks newspapers or such saturate them thoroughly and then place somewhere and place a weight on the paper a concrete block or blocks or something, it will eventually spontaneously combust. How do I know this it was well demonstrated one year, years ago when someone put wet paper stacks into a paper storage shed behind the local scout hall hall the shed caught fire and there was no electrical connection to it at the time it was locked as well, it just burst into flames. So things like this can and do just happen.

Leaves stored in a container with a something else heavy on top of them will do it as well as my late father found out one day years back, luckily it was only a small fire though.

So there are other things that can start a fire without any real human intervention, there is a bit of human intervention in some cases though, but it can happen naturally as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_combustion
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
For the record I have NEVER claimed that climate change has started any fires, nor that the majority of fires starting are not due to some sort of careless human activity. It is mischievous of your good self to suggest otherwise.
DirtyBallast
Well sorry if I tarred you with that brush but the fact is that a lot of irresponsible claims have been made about these bush-fires including that they are 'unprecedented' (they're not) and that they are caused by climate change (which is impossible to prove either way).

The fact is that ARSON and/or HUMAN ACCIDENT (ie children playing with matches) are the cause of the majority of these fires. Also supported by history - for example, the 1939 and 2009 Victorian bush-fires were almost all 'human causes'. And you only have to look at the huge numbers of people arrested by police across the nation who have been arrested starting fires - 29 separate fires cited as 'human caused' in the Nowra bush-fires alone.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Hay stacks are regular spontaneous combustion candidates.
Last year was bad around here.   It rained just after they were bailed and stacked last year.
This year, no rain = no fires.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Hay stacks are regular spontaneous combustion candidates.
Last year was bad around here.   It rained just after they were bailed and stacked last year.
This year, no rain = no fires.
Donald
The problem usually Is (with hay) Is when It rains between when It's cut to when It's baled (that's Gippsland round bale hay)

Round bales are rain resistant (when on their round) and usually need to sit out In the open to fully cure before attempting to stack them away In a shed (curing times can very at lot from season to season, the weather and how well the baling process went)

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