Honeymoon Uranium Mine Restart and Proposed Expansion

 
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Sorry; I just didn't take the Townsville idea seriously. Port Adelaide is so bleedin' obvious.

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  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Sorry; I just didn't take the Townsville idea seriously. Port Adelaide is so bleedin' obvious.
Valvegear
Of course.

The point was to illustrate that there are other obstacles to a transport route through NSW besides the distance.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
North-western NSW is a bit of a Wild West, so the security plan for that option (or even for a port on the NSW coast) would need to be quite beefy.
Hey, hang on a minute; what are you doing out there? The Honeymoon mine is in South Australia, just across the border from Broken Hill.  As Aaron said, it's less than a day's drive from Adelaide. The first time I went there, I came from Melbourne and over-nighted in Broken Hill. The Project Engineer from Sydney also stayed overnight. As I recall, it took an hour or so for us to drive to the mine site the following morning, turning north off the Barrier Highway a few km west of Cockburn i.e. about 50 km west of Broken Hill.
Following visits were much the same.
Valvegear
Google said
6h 7min to Adelaide just over 525 km away.
10h 23min to Melbourne, 949km

But if you are heading NW to Brisbane a Townsville, you drive through Wilcannia and other security havens of western NSW.

The deepest gold mine in the world in Sth Africa helicopters out their gold bars, if yellow cake wasn't as bulky or heavy, I'm sure the police would prefer this as well.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Why not create a spur that can take it by rail to the proposed Port Augusta Port?

Maybe not...

https://www.transcontinental.com.au/story/6117468/cloud-cast-over-the-future-of-cu-river-in-port-augusta/
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Why not build a canal so there's no need for any land transport?
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Railway line, canal, whatever... Port Augusta would be a no no....

Canals have been floated as ideas in the past for a range of projects, but the rate of evaporation in this dry country precludes it.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Railway line, canal, whatever... Port Augusta would be a no no....

Canals have been floated as ideas in the past for a range of projects, but the rate of evaporation in this dry country precludes it.
ANR
A canal to Lake Eyre, would permanently flow.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Flow the wrong way that is
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Is that yellow stuff containerised ?
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Railway line, canal, whatever... Port Augusta would be a no no....

Canals have been floated as ideas in the past for a range of projects, but the rate of evaporation in this dry country precludes it.
A canal to Lake Eyre, would permanently flow.
RTT_Rules
While Lake Eyre is below sea level, Lake Torrens is not.     It is about 30 metres above sea level as I recall.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Railway line, canal, whatever... Port Augusta would be a no no....

Canals have been floated as ideas in the past for a range of projects, but the rate of evaporation in this dry country precludes it.
A canal to Lake Eyre, would permanently flow.
While Lake Eyre is below sea level, Lake Torrens is not.     It is about 30 metres above sea level as I recall.
kipioneer
Doh, need a lock system, up and over.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Yes, they have had ambitious plans in bygone eras about changing the climate in Australias interior by setting up a channel between Lake Eyre and Spencer Gulf.

A canal solution was also considered in WA to bring a lot of water from the Kimberely down to the southern part of the state.

If we were China, this stuff would have been done ages ago.

But I digress.

Looks like there is a lot of scrutiny around the CU River mining Operations and the proposed Port Augusta Port as presented in the article link in a previous post above.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
freightgate, the last shipment of yellow cake I saw was 200L (aka 50 gallon) drums with a tight fitting lid which was sealed with a bolted band, strapped to a pallet and then loaded into 20’ containers - incidentally that is the Australian and world ‘standard’ for uranium concentrate shipping.

They actually anchored the pallets and drums to the container too.

There was no hope of anything moving or leaking in transit - not that it would even matter if it did. Other than the mess, spilled yellow cake (or any non enriched uranium concentrate) is no more dangerous than spilled soil, and could be ‘cleaned up’ in much the same way - a couple of guys and a shovel each.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Yes, they have had ambitious plans in bygone eras about changing the climate in Australias interior by setting up a channel between Lake Eyre and Spencer Gulf.

A canal solution was also considered in WA to bring a lot of water from the Kimberely down to the southern part of the state.

If we were China, this stuff would have been done ages ago.

But I digress.

Looks like there is a lot of scrutiny around the CU River mining Operations and the proposed Port Augusta Port as presented in the article link in a previous post above.
ANR
"Port Augusta Port", is that like "ATM Machine"? Smile

I tried to find he topography of that part of SA some time back. The Science/Eng part of me said build a canal and flood lake Eyre permanently to increase the rainfall of the western part of the eastern states. The Env part of me says yes, its probably wrong.

I'm sure if the terrain nth of Spencer Gulf was low and easily opened up to a canal it would have likely happened.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
freightgate, the last shipment of yellow cake I saw was 200L (aka 50 gallon) drums with a tight fitting lid which was sealed with a bolted band, strapped to a pallet and then loaded into 20’ containers - incidentally that is the Australian and world ‘standard’ for uranium concentrate shipping.

They actually anchored the pallets and drums to the container too.

There was no hope of anything moving or leaking in transit - not that it would even matter if it did. Other than the mess, spilled yellow cake (or any non enriched uranium concentrate) is no more dangerous than spilled soil, and could be ‘cleaned up’ in much the same way - a couple of guys and a shovel each.
Aaron
The guys would be wearing Hazmat suits for added effect and get more money.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Well, it would need to be non union labour in the first place, mostly because we can’t have union labour in uranium putting putting their coal industry comrades out of work* with the green glow in the dark stuff... So HAZMAT suits would likely not be required.

*1kg of Uranium produces about the same amount of energy as 30 TONNES of coal, hence 1kg of uranium (which we tend to ISL with nearly no labour) removes the work requirements of 30 tonnes of coal mining labour.
  NG Sulzers Deputy Commissioner

Location: Quorn
We do transport Uranium by rail in Australia. Usually 8-10 20' ISO containers at a time/train when it does occur.

Why would uranium from Honeymoon to Port Adelaide require Police Escort? I routinely see Road Trains of the stuff go through Port Augusta ex Roxby Downs, sans Police Escort.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The police escort is usually closer to the Port, though granted I have not seen a shipment in several years; maybe the protesters have given up?
  Gayspie Assistant Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
There was no hope of anything moving or leaking in transit - not that it would even matter if it did. Other than the mess, spilled yellow cake (or any non enriched uranium concentrate) is no more dangerous than spilled soil, and could be ‘cleaned up’ in much the same way - a couple of guys and a shovel each.
Aaron
Are you sure about that Mr know it all Aaron?
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Quite sure, what are you disputing? That they leak? Or that the clean up would be trivial?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Railway line, canal, whatever... Port Augusta would be a no no....

Canals have been floated as ideas in the past for a range of projects, but the rate of evaporation in this dry country precludes it.
A canal to Lake Eyre, would permanently flow.
RTT_Rules
Are you proposing something like what the Egyptians wanted to do with the Qatar Depression in the 60s? a permanently flowing hydro plant?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The police escort is usually closer to the Port, though granted I have not seen a shipment in several years; maybe the protesters have given up?
Aaron
Seems to have been a sensible approach. Take extra caution with an overt escort at first, then gradually step it down once the initial publicity around the issue has died down.

With a publicised restart coming after some time without shipments, I wouldn't blame them if they started out with the extra caution again for a short while. The cost of doing so would be trivial compared to the cost of getting the security arrangements wrong and opening the door for a short-sighted political decision to shut it down.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I was having breakfast this morning and I had a conversation with a couple of people who would be in a position to know, it seems that there are likely plans afoot to ‘spin’ uranium (not at Honeymoon) for export. Still no discussion about the domestic market, but it’s a start.

With the progress on the national radioactive waste repository near Kimba and this news maybe we do have meaningful progress of a kind.

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