Regional Rail Revival - Geelong / Warrnambool Line Projects

 
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The equipment has been removed from the actual coaches.
Only exceptions are the Mckenzies Coach to Eildon (which is listed as route 684) and the McHarry's coaches to Apollo Bay, where Myki can only be used between Geelong and Jan Juc for some reason. As Silvermoth says this could be used to boost tourism along the Surf Coast a little bit, and I can't imagine a reason why the Mykis can't be used past Jan Juc.
stooge spark
Mc Harrys operate two bus services to Torquay and Jan Juc :

-  Bellarine Transit frequent service which has been on Myki for over 5 years
-  V/Line Apollol Bay & Lorne services via Torquay & Jan Juc 3 - 4 trips a day .

First you must use Myki
Second uses Myki only for travel as far as Torquay and Jan Juc as in bellarine Transit .  Travel beyond Jan Juc is on paper tickets.

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  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

myki would require some modification to deal with reservations, as it would with any touch-on-and-off system.
kitchgp
No alterations to Myki required for longer distance services. Two issues here the ticket to travel and seat reservations.

One uses the Myki for the ticket to travel, and if you want a reserved seat then you book that separately just like PAHOS do now, or travel in the non booked carriages.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

myki would require some modification to deal with reservations, as it would with any touch-on-and-off system.
No alterations to Myki required for longer distance services. Two issues here the ticket to travel and seat reservations.

One uses the Myki for the ticket to travel, and if you want a reserved seat then you book that separately just like PAHOS do now, or travel in the non booked carriages.
kuldalai
Is First Class still available on long distance trains? How would that be handled with Myki?
  route14 Chief Commissioner

There are first class on other Myki covered services.  You can purchase a "first class upgrade" in conjunction with Myki.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
There are first class on other Myki covered services.  You can purchase a "first class upgrade" in conjunction with Myki.
route14
You certainly can, I purchased a First Class Upgrade on an Up Swan Hill service from Castlemaine just before Christmas, it costs around $8.50 and you have to buy it from station staff before you board.

Obviously you can't do this on a V/Locity service ATM as they are one class fits all however there is no reason why a V/locity service couldn't have reserved cars like the Loco hauled ones do, the seat numbers are already there and all. It might take pax a while to get used to but that wouldn't be an issue.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Reserved seating Vlocity already operate on Bairnsdale line.
  Contrillion Junior Train Controller

Location: Benalla, VIC
I can't imagine a reason why the Mykis can't be used past Jan Juc.
stooge spark
As mentioned, the Geelong/Bellarine suburban bus network already extends to Jan Juc (zone 5). This, coupled with the fact that the same operator also runs the V/Line Apollo Bay coaches, are the only reasons myki can be used at all on the service.

Not in this particular case, but myki on regional coach services exacerbate the issues of the concentric zone system. It would make certain routes exponentially cheaper than they are now (ie Albury to Swan Hill, currently $49.20 but likely within a few zones of each other, so most likely less than $10 on myki).
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I can't imagine a reason why the Mykis can't be used past Jan Juc.
As mentioned, the Geelong/Bellarine suburban bus network already extends to Jan Juc (zone 5). This, coupled with the fact that the same operator also runs the V/Line Apollo Bay coaches, are the only reasons myki can be used at all on the service.

Not in this particular case, but myki on regional coach services exacerbate the issues of the concentric zone system. It would make certain routes exponentially cheaper than they are now (ie Albury to Swan Hill, currently $49.20 but likely within a few zones of each other, so most likely less than $10 on myki).
Contrillion
As I recall that's the fundamental issue with expanding myki - outside the concentric fare zones distance-based fares have been used for a long time and it's not easy to retrofit that onto the myki system.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
As I recall that's the fundamental issue with expanding myki - outside the concentric fare zones distance-based fares have been used for a long time and it's not easy to retrofit that onto the myki system.
potatoinmymouth
Fares on MYKI services are charged based on zones.

Currently the zoning system ends at for example Bendigo (Epsom / Eaglehawk) and does not apply to Swan Hill / Echuca lines

https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/assets/default-site/tickets/fares/Zones/12b91217e1/PTVH4002-Regional-Network-Map-with-Zones_A4L_v3_FA.pdf

For rail services it would surely be simple enough to add additional zones to the system (surely this was thought of during developement.......). And I assume this would work with most Coach services - if you get the Daylesford Road Coach after catching a V/Line service to Woodend is this all covered by MYKI zoning?
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Woodend - Daylesford was a separate fare a couple of years back. About $4 from memory.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
As I recall that's the fundamental issue with expanding myki - outside the concentric fare zones distance-based fares have been used for a long time and it's not easy to retrofit that onto the myki system.
Fares on MYKI services are charged based on zones.

Currently the zoning system ends at for example Bendigo (Epsom / Eaglehawk) and does not apply to Swan Hill / Echuca lines

https://www.ptv.vic.gov.au/assets/default-site/tickets/fares/Zones/12b91217e1/PTVH4002-Regional-Network-Map-with-Zones_A4L_v3_FA.pdf

For rail services it would surely be simple enough to add additional zones to the system (surely this was thought of during development.......). And I assume this would work with most Coach services - if you get the Daylesford Road Coach after catching a V/Line service to Woodend is this all covered by MYKI zoning?
BrentonGolding

Years ago when the myki rollout was going to cover the whole state, I recall Mildura being in Zone 20 or Zone 22 and furthermore, if I catch the bus from Castlemaine to Ballarat I normally touch on my myki at Castlemaine, touch off at Ballarat even though strictly speaking I should have purchased a ticket from Castlemaine station. The bus driver doesn't care as his company's revenue for operating the bus remains the same.

Mike.
  melbtrip Chief Commissioner

Location: Annoying Orange
I can't imagine a reason why the Mykis can't be used past Jan Juc.
As mentioned, the Geelong/Bellarine suburban bus network already extends to Jan Juc (zone 5). This, coupled with the fact that the same operator also runs the V/Line Apollo Bay coaches, are the only reasons myki can be used at all on the service.

Not in this particular case, but myki on regional coach services exacerbate the issues of the concentric zone system. It would make certain routes exponentially cheaper than they are now (ie Albury to Swan Hill, currently $49.20 but likely within a few zones of each other, so most likely less than $10 on myki).
As I recall that's the fundamental issue with expanding myki - outside the concentric fare zones distance-based fares have been used for a long time and it's not easy to retrofit that onto the myki system.
potatoinmymouth
This not true - if was done with zones 3 to 13 and which long time was based on V/Line units fares (distance fares)

Zone 13 is the same price as 170 unit V/Line distance fare.

"Years ago when the myki rollout was going to cover the whole state, I recall Mildura being in Zone 20 or Zone 22 and furthermore, if I catch the bus from Castlemaine to Ballarat I normally touch on my myki at Castlemaine, touch off at Ballarat even though strictly speaking I should have purchased a ticket from Castlemaine station. The bus driver doesn't care as his company's revenue for operating the bus remains the same.
Mike."

It would have been zone 30 because it's a 600 unit V/Line fare from Melbourne and which placed it in zone 30 if Myki was done for the whole state.




Zone 3 to 13 prices are the same as V/Line distance unit fares.
  Contrillion Junior Train Controller

Location: Benalla, VIC
...if I catch the bus from Castlemaine to Ballarat I normally touch on my myki at Castlemaine, touch off at Ballarat even though strictly speaking I should have purchased a ticket from Castlemaine station. The bus driver doesn't care as his company's revenue for operating the bus remains the same.

Mike.
The Vinelander
There's a prime example of the concentric zones making these 'cross-country' trips a lot cheaper in many cases. myki in this case is only ~28% of the paper fare.

Theoretically I could do the same when I catch the Geelong > Ballarat coaches (invariably operated by Gold Bus), however a V/Line station staff member is always checking for paper tickets when boarding. The saving in this instance would be less (myki being 87.5% of the paper ticket equivalent).

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