National Passenger Rail services

 
  Mufreight Train Controller

Location: North Ipswich
Perhaps with the possible loss of the Overland consideration should be given to the Commonwealth resuming control and responsibility of longer distance passenger services nationwide.
These services are as essential today as they were 40 years ago.  It is obvious that the state governments see them as a burden despite the contribution that they make to the economy of the states by providing services for those living in the regions, backpackers, tourists and seasonal workers.
Trains such as the Indian Pacific and the Ghan operated by private companies are there for the top end tourist trade and now have no interest in operating services for the average traveller and make no effort to be a competitive option to air travel and buses.
There is a need for services to operate between the capital and major cities of the nation.
Queensland, NSW and Victoria all operate regional services but they are all stepping back from providing services on a regular basis. that tie the nation together

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  C2 Junior Train Controller

You need to bring in deviations , time savings. Maybe a ten year plan like UK pumping billions into adel-melb-bris 6 Hours journey goal between capitals .200 K/h places. Then melb -bris overnight on inland. Trains for Australians of all incomes.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Yeah about that, we have the parties of privatisation in control. Not happening. Gunzel Fantasy in this day and age
  C2 Junior Train Controller

PM Anthony Albanese may want to spend billions on buying land for VFT. The Overland is crawling so it's gone. But mel-syd -bris is far from Gunzul dreaming. We are a democracy shadow for shareholders not a civilized society for its citizens. We are gonna hit that 90° corner preaty hard hang on.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Perhaps with the possible loss of the Overland consideration should be given to the Commonwealth resuming control and responsibility of longer distance passenger services nationwide.
These services are as essential today as they were 40 years ago.
Mufreight
No, they're not. 40 years ago air travel was in the grips of an energy crisis, interstate roads were nowhere near the standard they are now, nor were the cars. Airfares were significantly more expensive than they are today viewed as a %-age of salary.

It is obvious that the state governments see them as a burden despite the contribution that they make to the economy of the states by providing services for those living in the regions, backpackers, tourists and seasonal workers.
Trains such as the Indian Pacific and the Ghan operated by private companies are there for the top end tourist trade and now have no interest in operating services for the average traveller and make no effort to be a competitive option to air travel and buses.
Mufreight
Because they are two entirely different market segments.
There is a need for services to operate between the capital and major cities of the nation.
Mufreight
No, there is not. "Cheap" transport for backpackers is provided by Greyhound and the XPT between Brisbane-Sydney-Melbourne. Compare the airfares between state capitals on the East coast, then look at Webjet. You can fly from Sydney-Melbourne (with bags) cheaper than the XPT - and that's just one example.
Queensland, NSW and Victoria all operate regional services but they are all stepping back from providing services on a regular basis. that tie the nation together
Mufreight
Why would they spend hundreds of millions of dollars for stuff-all return? We don't have the population density to warrant it.

Rail is too far gone in this country to have any chance of providing meaningful competition in markets they don't already have, generally because of the limitations imposed by steam-age alignments.
  C2 Junior Train Controller

You are not a tourist or a back packer. Busses are for poor country's that get loans from China to build railways. English speaking country's privatised so dividends get payed before health and safety. Why would a tourist want to see Melbourne Sydney Brisbane in Australia they are the ugliest city's in the world. Gum trees Beach's Koori culture alive kangaroos and wombats not road kill. We are not a factory country working till the whistles blows , crack a coldy and do it all again to 70.
  C2 Junior Train Controller

Government say freight will increase dramatically over the coming decades. More inward port stuff hiting the roads to your door. Dangerous to be on the Australian roads with the world's biggest heaviest trucks around. Also did you read the Qld thread about patronage on the line to Cairns  ,labour has been upgrading that line since the 80,s But   6 hrs to Brisbane and you say no no no.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Yeah about that, we have the parties of privatisation in control. Not happening. Gunzel Fantasy in this day and age
Dangersdan707
The Commonwealth washed its hands completely of any rail operations when it privatised Australian National over 20 years ago, they simply aren't interested in being a rail operator again.
  C2 Junior Train Controller

And no private operator is interested in running a railway either. Cruise Ship Trains for old fogeys, how about Love Boat  with smoking and condoms. And you can't say Government in Democracy , what you should say is Murdoch won't allow you to change governments or get rid of 2PP. So you win revolving door LNP dictators every 3 years.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

No politicians, except for sitting members care about anyone between the capital cities. Rail and everything else, is beyond an afterthought.

For anyone in the cities, there's the plane and it's cheap. For anyone outside the capital cities, living there is a 'lifestyle choice'.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Just got a thought bubble (dangerous as it is)...

What would be great is if there was a reinstated cattle class sit up carriage(s), buffet car, and a car carrier hooked up to a PN transcontinental freighter instead of a journey beyond train.

This could be a budget service for those looking to do the journey across the nullabor in a way that was previously possible before GSR upscaled. It would not compete with GSR and would offer a different level of experience e.g. a service where freight operations is the main focus.

Pax could even alight at various sidings along the way by request to be collected by a later service.

This slower cooked journey could be given a name of a mixed service train that may have operated in yesteryear.

It would not be a daily runner, but it could offer an interesting journey for those that do not care about luxury travel.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Why are you telling us about this idea? Send an email to PN and see if they agree that it would be great.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Greyhound doesn't even run a bus across the Nullabor and hadn't for many years. If the market isn't even big enough for them to make money from that, what makes you think anybody could make money from the train you're describing with its buffet car, need for staff, need to meet modern safety standards and so on. Exactly whete do you think people would get off en route? One carriage would allow maybe one service each way per week, and schedules would be irregular and unreliable if they are totally dependent on freight services. Would you get off for a poke round in the middle of the Nullabor knowing that the next train was in a week, maybe?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Even if all the other issues could be sorted out, I imagine that passenger cars attached to an East-West freighter would result in prohibitively expensive tickets.

At a minimum, the fares would need to cover the cost of stopping and starting the train (fuel usage + wear and tear) at each stop.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Pax would know from the outset that this is a freight operation. When the freighter stops at a siding or passing loop, they could get out and explore the surrounds, go chasing goannas or snakes, or just have a smoko in the 50 degree heat etc. When the other train passes, they can rejoin the freighter etc.

This service would be cattle class and have limited amenities. It's the 'roughing it' factor that would make it work. If the freighter has a car carrier or flatbed, it could take cars across for an added fee. As for the buffet car, finger food like sangers and cold drinks can be refrigerated in a cold storage van instead.

With a bit of imagination, this could become a real tourist venture e.g. pax can alight anywhere: experience life on a sheep station like Rawlinna, stay in purpose accommodation in Cook, or some other dot on the railway map.

People who might do this are overseas travellers, railway buffs, retirees, or anyone looking for something different etc
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Pax would know from the outset that this is a freight operation. When the freighter stops at a siding or passing loop, they could get out and explore the surrounds, go chasing goannas or snakes, or just have a smoko in the 50 degree heat etc. When the other train passes, they can rejoin the freighter etc.

This service would be cattle class and have limited amenities. It's the 'roughing it' factor that would make it work. If the freighter has a car carrier or flatbed, it could take cars across for an added fee. As for the buffet car, finger food like sangers and cold drinks can be refrigerated in a cold storage van instead.

With a bit of imagination, this could become a real tourist venture e.g. pax can alight anywhere: experience life on a sheep station like Rawlinna, stay in purpose accommodation in Cook, or some other dot on the railway map.

People who might do this are overseas travellers, railway buffs, retirees, or anyone looking for something different etc
ANR
Public liability would kill it before it even got off the ground.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

... Especially the bit where I said that pax can get out and have a stretch at the passing loops.

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