Metro train drivers stood down over South Yarra track dispute

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 27 Jan 2020 13:50
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

"Our first priority is safety"
Valvegear
IMO, the greatest corporate lie

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  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
The RTBU is a disgrace.
Lockie91
Gee whiz, how dare the RTBU try and hold the operators accountable to maintain safety and training standards and improve conditions for their members. Rolling Eyes

Out of curiosity, do you have any actual dealings with the RTBU and/or any of the operators or do you just get your information from dodgy media reports? I suspect its the latter.


Furthermore, there is 40km/h TSR between South Yarra & Hawksburn.
Lockie91
Unless its been put on in the last couple of hours there is no 40km/h TSR between South Yarra & Hawksburn.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Does the ATSB have a role here, or will they only step in if there's an incident?
  rwatts Junior Train Controller

Location: Adelaide SA
Does the ATSB have a role here, or will they only step in if there's an incident?
Galron
I think you've answered your own question.  On the other hand the Office of the National Rail Safety Regulator (ONRSR) may have an interest.

Richard.
  Mickeyb91 Station Staff

And now the inevitable has happened and it’s affecting passengers. Roughly 12 trains across numerous lines cancelled because of driver resources issues and it’s only 6am.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Transport crisis presently a perfect storm for the Andrews government.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

RTBU are losing this one so far:

  ssaunders Train Controller

Apparently in the interests of "safety" RTBU have staff sitting in the ONRSR Melbourne branch office. You only need to visit the ONRSR office to see the RTBU logo on the wall.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
No idea what ONRSR is, but I bet it doesn't stand for "Oh No, Rail Service Resuming" ?
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
No idea what ONRSR is, but I bet it doesn't stand for "Oh No, Rail Service Resuming" ?
Lad_Porter
Office of the National Rail Safety Regulator

https://www.onrsr.com.au/
  C2 Junior Train Controller

To me it's all big EGO and bully style management.It's a future view to save money for safety. It affects the safety of all passengers on that section. This is a test case for Metro future operations. Sack Metro Mangment I say , safety first
  Richard stroker Junior Train Controller

How is it a test case C2
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Cranbourne Line looking is distress tonight



Cancellations due to the driver issue?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
How is it a test case C2
Richard stroker
I would have thought it's blindingly obvious. Metro management is trying to sneak in changes to safety training for what reasons one can only imagine. It's the thin end of the wedge; if this succeeds, what will be the next ploy in trying to downgrade conditions.
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
How is it a test case C2
Richard stroker
There is concern among the driving grade that if they're allowed to get away with it this time, they'll want to implement this type of 'training' for larger projects and potentially route knowledge in general for new drivers. Its the old 'give them an inch and they'll take a mile' scenario. In my opinion it is a very real concern and rather scary given the poor standard of training Metro currently provide.

There are stories circulating that Metro drivers had an ipad mini plonked in front of them with the video while they were having tucker up to 3 or 4 months ago, with no additional training or re-watching of the video since then. Its worth noting that i'm not aware of any driver not wanting to drive the section, its just that they requested they have a trainer/pilot with them to do so. V/Line deemed it ok to have pilots for their drivers and subsequently all their trains have run, Metro decided to place managers at each end of the section and stand their staff down. Big difference in attitude between the two organizations.
  C2 Junior Train Controller

Have they ever sacked 50 drivers for standing up for their and  passenger safety.We had a strike how much has that cost compared to following unions rule's.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
V/Line deemed it ok to have pilots for their drivers and subsequently all their trains have run, Metro decided to place managers at each end of the section and stand their staff down. Big difference in attitude between the two organizations.
jakar
Another difference would be the relative number and frequency of V/Line trains compared to Metro.  How many qualified pilots are available?  Is a particular pilot able to operate for both organisations, or would each organisation have its own dedicated pilots?  (Assuming Metro has any at all.)
  Carnot Minister for Railways

This Mexican stand-off is really cheesing off the public.  How much longer can this circus go on for?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Finally an agreement:
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

And just like that the wedge is inserted a little deeper.

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