New Sydney Intercity Trains

 
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Looks like it is doing the speed limit which is probably 115km/h at least.

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  y Beginner

Location: Sydney Australia
Does anyone know how the testing went?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Does anyone know how the testing went?
y
Still ongoing.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

Does anyone know how the testing went?
Still ongoing.
simstrain
Until March, unless something happens again.
  Transtopic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Wasn't a Waratah B set maxed out at something like 140 km/h plus during testing on the same section of track?  The Waratah's nominal speed limit is 130 km/h and the NIF's is 160 km/h, so they must have some intention in the future of running them at higher speeds where track conditions permit.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

Wasn't a Waratah B set maxed out at something like 140 km/h plus during testing on the same section of track?  The Waratah's nominal speed limit is 130 km/h and the NIF's is 160 km/h, so they must have some intention in the future of running them at higher speeds where track conditions permit.
Transtopic
Testing runs to Max. Speed limit + 10%. Waratah is maxed out to 130 km/h, so testing maxed out at 143 km/h.
  C3765 Train Controller

Found the fleet numbers for the D Sets;

Trailer Driver Car with ATP- DDA 9301-9372 & DDA 9401-9467

Motor Car with Disabled Toilet: DND 8301-8372 & DND 8401-8467

Motor Car: DN 8501-8572 & DN 8601-8667

Trailer Car: DT 9601-9667

Motor Car with Toilet: DNL 8801-8867

Trailer Driving Car: DD 9701-9772 & DD 9801-9867

Now we know DDA stands for “Driving Trailer with ATP”.

When Testing:

Max Speed is 80km/h when transferring and 143km/h during self-propelled.

4, 6, 8, or 10 cars are permitted to be transferred by locomotive hauling at any one time.

Only 4, 6, and 10 car sets may operate self-propelled in a possession area. 8 car movements are not permitted.

Only the following locations are permitted for self-propelled possession area testing:
a. Main West Line - Blacktown to St Marys
b. East Hills Line – East Hills to Glenfield
c. Richmond Line - Blacktown to Richmond
d. Main North Line – West Ryde to Epping
e. Illawarra Line – Waterfall to Helensburgh
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

Found the fleet numbers for the D Sets;

Trailer Driver Car with ATP- DDA 9301-9372 & DDA 9401-9467

Motor Car with Disabled Toilet: DND 8301-8372 & DND 8401-8467

Motor Car: DN 8501-8572 & DN 8601-8667

Trailer Car: DT 9601-9667

Motor Car with Toilet: DNL 8801-8867

Trailer Driving Car: DD 9701-9772 & DD 9801-9867

Now we know DDA stands for “Driving Trailer with ATP”.

When Testing:

Max Speed is 80km/h when transferring and 143km/h during self-propelled.

4, 6, 8, or 10 cars are permitted to be transferred by locomotive hauling at any one time.

Only 4, 6, and 10 car sets may operate self-propelled in a possession area. 8 car movements are not permitted.

Only the following locations are permitted for self-propelled possession area testing:
a. Main West Line - Blacktown to St Marys
b. East Hills Line – East Hills to Glenfield
c. Richmond Line - Blacktown to Richmond
d. Main North Line – West Ryde to Epping
e. Illawarra Line – Waterfall to Helensburgh
C3765
Interesting why they are not allowing 8 car movements?
  y Beginner

Location: Sydney Australia
Does anyone have any updates of the new trains?
  C3765 Train Controller

Forgot to provide the link for the original document so here it is:
https://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/system/files/media/asa_standards/2020/tw-203-910.pdf

Once you have a look at this, you will probably understand why I think they have increased the order by 136 cars.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Just saw Sydney Trains Vlogs where the 6 car train is being put through its paces around Mount Druitt/Doonside.

It is actually worse than I initially feared. These trains are just suburban trains with some fixed plastic seating. What's with the black decals and trims.

Should be banished to the dead of night where it cannot be seen.

I hope the next government brings them into the suburban fleet where they belong.

They could never be a successor to V sets.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

P.s. NIF? More like NFI
  Nichole the Otter Station Master

The D sets are not a true V set successor, just another over-glorified H set. This government really is sabotaging interurban commuters by having their services be run by a much inferior fleet to make suburban and especially Metro customers look superior.
  Totoro Locomotive Fireman

These new trains look and sound fantastic especially at high speed. I’m really loving the harmonisation of aesthetics across the Sydney/Intercity HR fleets.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Just saw Sydney Trains Vlogs where the 6 car train is being put through its paces around Mount Druitt/Doonside.

It is actually worse than I initially feared. These trains are just suburban trains with some fixed plastic seating. What's with the black decals and trims.

Should be banished to the dead of night where it cannot be seen.

I hope the next government brings them into the suburban fleet where they belong.

They could never be a successor to V sets.
ANR

You have no idea what the seats are like to sit on. None of us do and until they are put in to service maybe reserve your judgement. The V sets take too long at platforms in the CBD and this is why they are being replaced with these new trains. Intercity is not regional and so going forward to meet requirements they are not going to have a v set type setup.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Sims, it looks like an Oscar, sounds like an Oscar, it's a....  NIF. I have traveled on Oscars.

The seats won't change my mind. It is a step down from Oscars. At least King Oscar sardine cans have directional seating.

Theyre testing NiF Oscars in the dead of night (with black decals) so commuters don't get to see them until they're introduced.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

Sims, it looks like an Oscar, sounds like an Oscar, it's a....  NIF. I have traveled on Oscars.

The seats won't change my mind. It is a step down from Oscars. At least King Oscar sardine cans have directional seating.

Theyre testing NiF Oscars in the dead of night (with black decals) so commuters don't get to see them until they're introduced.
ANR
You seem to see something sinister in the night time testing, let me assure you that is the only time to test.

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  tazzer96 Deputy Commissioner

Just saw Sydney Trains Vlogs where the 6 car train is being put through its paces around Mount Druitt/Doonside.

It is actually worse than I initially feared. These trains are just suburban trains with some fixed plastic seating. What's with the black decals and trims.

Should be banished to the dead of night where it cannot be seen.

I hope the next government brings them into the suburban fleet where they belong.

They could never be a successor to V sets.
ANR
You have no idea what they are actually like to sit in.  They have luggage racks which is a massive bonus too.  Who cares if they look just like the suburban trains.  An airbus a321 is the fantastic aircraft, designed originally for short distances.  But american airlines flagship first seats on their a321's running only transcontinental routes look fantastic to be in.  Meanwhile others like spirit fly the exact same plane with very uncomfortable economy seats.  

You are judging something that very well may be an excellent product, maybe even more comfortable than a V-set seat
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

I am sorry I do not buy the small plane can have comfortable seating analogy, because I have had a woeful experience in that category of flying. I would prefer a larger plane with cattle class seating.

Transport for NSW needs to rethink how it will cater for interurban and intercity passengers because it's current direction and proposed rolling stock are incoherent.

In my view, the CAF should be put on interurban/intercity duties because this is what it best lends itself to. Frequency of trips mostly under wires :Trips to Bathurst, Orange, Goulburn, Bomaderry, Hunter region, etc.

Anything more outlying could be taken care of by the existing XPLs which would be freed up by CAFs. NIFS should replace existing suburban stock.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Sims, it looks like an Oscar, sounds like an Oscar, it's a....  NIF. I have traveled on Oscars.

The seats won't change my mind. It is a step down from Oscars. At least King Oscar sardine cans have directional seating.

Theyre testing NiF Oscars in the dead of night (with black decals) so commuters don't get to see them until they're introduced.
ANR

There testing them in the dead of night because when else are they supposed to test them. You can't do it during the day anywhere. It might look like an Oscar but the seats are definitely not Oscar worthy. They may be uni directional but they will be comfortable unlike the pews that the Oscars seats resemble.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

Sims, it looks like an Oscar, sounds like an Oscar, it's a....  NIF. I have traveled on Oscars.

The seats won't change my mind. It is a step down from Oscars. At least King Oscar sardine cans have directional seating.

Theyre testing NiF Oscars in the dead of night (with black decals) so commuters don't get to see them until they're introduced.

There testing them in the dead of night because when else are they supposed to test them. You can't do it during the day anywhere. It might look like an Oscar but the seats are definitely not Oscar worthy. They may be uni directional but they will be comfortable unlike the pews that the Oscars seats resemble.
simstrain

They will begin daytime testing soon enough.
  AheadMatthewawsome Junior Train Controller

Location: Opening Train Lines
The D sets are not a true V set successor, just another over-glorified H set. This government really is sabotaging interurban commuters by having their services be run by a much inferior fleet to make suburban and especially Metro customers look superior.
Nichole the Otter
I believe that the current goal in secret with the NSW Government is to retire most Intercity and Countrylink services with the 4 new Highspeed Lines.

And then soon it will be the Suburban Services that will be inferior. And they will just convert all the lines to Metro.
  Nichole the Otter Station Master

Replacing the whole Sydney Trains network with Metro is wrong, as MTR owns the Metro and I despise MTR for the horrid highrises they construct around their stations. Metro also reduces the amount of seating and forces more people to stand constantly on longer tricks due to lacking the double decks. It’s why I’m dreading another Liberal re-election in 2023.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The D sets are not a true V set successor, just another over-glorified H set. This government really is sabotaging interurban commuters by having their services be run by a much inferior fleet to make suburban and especially Metro customers look superior.
I believe that the current goal in secret with the NSW Government is to retire most Intercity and Countrylink services with the 4 new Highspeed Lines.

And then soon it will be the Suburban Services that will be inferior. And they will just convert all the lines to Metro.
AheadMatthewawsome

What 4 high speed lines are you going on about?
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

... and suburban services will never be inferior to country and regional services because there will never be any high speed lines....

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