Any chance to go back to Orbost?

 
  rayman87 Beginner

Any chance of the Orbost line re-opening to passenger services?

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  rayman87 Beginner

Any chance of the Orbost line re-opening to passenger services?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Any chance of the Orbost line re-opening to passenger services?
rayman87
I don't reckon it's a record but this one gets extra points for not only asking the same question twice but also pretty much simultaneously starting a new thread on the same topic.

Go you good thing!
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Any chance of the Orbost line re-opening to passenger services?
rayman87
A big fat NO !

Passenger services to Orbost ceased back In the 1930's and population along the former line has steadily declined ever since.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
No chance.
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
No chance.
Gman_86
It may be re-opened to bikes.  I assume that the bike trail was closed due to the bushfires.  

I guess they will need to sort out what is happening to the remains of the Wairewa Road Bridge too.

Ross
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
The closest thing to a passenger rail service returning to Orbost in the last 40 years was one of the very fast train proposals, where the route was through gippsland, up the cann valley to Canberra and on to Sydney. Like all the other VFT proposals, it didn't go anywhere.

Only way your going to have any hope of a rail service returning to orbost would be the discovery of a high value high volume resource with a supply life in the decades that was best shipped by rail. Chance of that happening somewhere between bucklies and none.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Any chance of the Orbost line re-opening to passenger services?
rayman87

You realise the (former) track from Bairnsdale to Orbost is longer than the line from Geelong to Melbourne...therefore as mentioned above, highly unlikely.

Mike.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Any chance of the Orbost line re-opening to passenger services?
"Rayman87"
About the same chance as Mildura getting passenger services, I'd say.Embarassed
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Would you expect it to be finished by April 1st?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
There is quite a bit of truck traffic from the area including logs and mining traffic which is all road based.
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
We should be grateful that the Sale-Bairnsdale passenger line was reopened in 2004 after eleven years of closure. The only reason the Orbost line hung as long as it did was because of 1930s regulations which mandated rail transport over road. Once they were lifted the line rapidly closed in August 1987.There was a prospect of the line reopening for a mooted pulp mill at Nowa Nowa in the early 1990s but that did not proceed.

There is no question at all of the Orbost line ever reopening as there is no bulk traffic and the native hardwood industry is on its last legs. With the new Stratford bridge under construction and a big mineral sands mine likely to come on line, there could be prospects for that business in coming years.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
There is no question at all of the Orbost line ever reopening as there is no bulk traffic and the native hardwood industry is on its last legs. With the new Stratford bridge under construction and a big mineral sands mine likely to come on line, there could be prospects for that business in coming years.
gippslander

Mineral sands?  Is this the outfit north east of Bairnsdale?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
There is no question at all of the Orbost line ever reopening as there is no bulk traffic and the native hardwood industry is on its last legs. With the new Stratford bridge under construction and a big mineral sands mine likely to come on line, there could be prospects for that business in coming years.

Mineral sands?  Is this the outfit north east of Bairnsdale?
bevans
North West of Bairnsdale.
  skitz Chief Commissioner

We should be grateful that the Sale-Bairnsdale passenger line was reopened in 2004 after eleven years of closure. The only reason the Orbost line hung as long as it did was because of 1930s regulations which mandated rail transport over road. Once they were lifted the line rapidly closed in August 1987.There was a prospect of the line reopening for a mooted pulp mill at Nowa Nowa in the early 1990s but that did not proceed.

There is no question at all of the Orbost line ever reopening as there is no bulk traffic and the native hardwood industry is on its last legs. With the new Stratford bridge under construction and a big mineral sands mine likely to come on line, there could be prospects for that business in coming years.
gippslander
the cynic in me would say the bridge is being built because of the mineral sands.  Cant let good spin get in teh way of a tax payer subsidy eh?
  skitz Chief Commissioner

We should be grateful that the Sale-Bairnsdale passenger line was reopened in 2004 after eleven years of closure. The only reason the Orbost line hung as long as it did was because of 1930s regulations which mandated rail transport over road. Once they were lifted the line rapidly closed in August 1987.There was a prospect of the line reopening for a mooted pulp mill at Nowa Nowa in the early 1990s but that did not proceed.

There is no question at all of the Orbost line ever reopening as there is no bulk traffic and the native hardwood industry is on its last legs. With the new Stratford bridge under construction and a big mineral sands mine likely to come on line, there could be prospects for that business in coming years.
the cynic in me would say the bridge is being built because of the mineral sands.  Cant let good spin get in teh way of a tax payer subsidy eh?
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
We should be grateful that the Sale-Bairnsdale passenger line was reopened in 2004 after eleven years of closure. The only reason the Orbost line hung as long as it did was because of 1930s regulations which mandated rail transport over road. Once they were lifted the line rapidly closed in August 1987.There was a prospect of the line reopening for a mooted pulp mill at Nowa Nowa in the early 1990s but that did not proceed.

There is no question at all of the Orbost line ever reopening as there is no bulk traffic and the native hardwood industry is on its last legs. With the new Stratford bridge under construction and a big mineral sands mine likely to come on line, there could be prospects for that business in coming years.
the cynic in me would say the bridge is being built because of the mineral sands.  Cant let good spin get in teh way of a tax payer subsidy eh?
skitz
Is this the double post thread Skitz?
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
We should be grateful that the Sale-Bairnsdale passenger line was reopened in 2004 after eleven years of closure. The only reason the Orbost line hung as long as it did was because of 1930s regulations which mandated rail transport over road. Once they were lifted the line rapidly closed in August 1987.There was a prospect of the line reopening for a mooted pulp mill at Nowa Nowa in the early 1990s but that did not proceed.

There is no question at all of the Orbost line ever reopening as there is no bulk traffic and the native hardwood industry is on its last legs. With the new Stratford bridge under construction and a big mineral sands mine likely to come on line, there could be prospects for that business in coming years.
the cynic in me would say the bridge is being built because of the mineral sands.  Cant let good spin get in teh way of a tax payer subsidy eh?
skitz
Is this the double post thread Skitz?
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
We should be grateful that the Sale-Bairnsdale passenger line was reopened in 2004 after eleven years of closure. The only reason the Orbost line hung as long as it did was because of 1930s regulations which mandated rail transport over road. Once they were lifted the line rapidly closed in August 1987.There was a prospect of the line reopening for a mooted pulp mill at Nowa Nowa in the early 1990s but that did not proceed.

There is no question at all of the Orbost line ever reopening as there is no bulk traffic and the native hardwood industry is on its last legs. With the new Stratford bridge under construction and a big mineral sands mine likely to come on line, there could be prospects for that business in coming years.
the cynic in me would say the bridge is being built because of the mineral sands.  Cant let good spin get in teh way of a tax payer subsidy eh?
Is this the double post thread Skitz?
RustyRick
The construction of the new bridge was approved on the basis of it supporting the existing Sale-Bairnsdale passenger service. It has been designed with axle loading capacity to support future freight, which is presently not permitted because of the condition of the existing structure. Bairnsdale is 280km from Melbourne, which puts it in the contestable range for rail freight. So it may well be possible to get a Warrnambool-type rail freight operation, based on the existing producers in the area. That is up to one of the rail freight providers to pursue, but it would align very nicely with the not yet approved mineral sands traffic.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
not to mention the existing bridge is on its last legs. There is a reason the new one is being build upstream of the existing one, so as when in the inevitable big flood that comes down the river in the next 10 years or less takes out the old bridge its not going to damage the new one. The water gets right up under the road bridges when the floods come through. cant be far from the same on the rail bridge.
  skitz Chief Commissioner

We should be grateful that the Sale-Bairnsdale passenger line was reopened in 2004 after eleven years of closure. The only reason the Orbost line hung as long as it did was because of 1930s regulations which mandated rail transport over road. Once they were lifted the line rapidly closed in August 1987.There was a prospect of the line reopening for a mooted pulp mill at Nowa Nowa in the early 1990s but that did not proceed.

There is no question at all of the Orbost line ever reopening as there is no bulk traffic and the native hardwood industry is on its last legs. With the new Stratford bridge under construction and a big mineral sands mine likely to come on line, there could be prospects for that business in coming years.
the cynic in me would say the bridge is being built because of the mineral sands.  Cant let good spin get in teh way of a tax payer subsidy eh?
Is this the double post thread Skitz?
RustyRick
Yes.



















Yes.

More of a case of a blind deer with no testicles to why it happens.
  david harvey Chief Train Controller

Location: Bairnsdale
There is no question at all of the Orbost line ever reopening as there is no bulk traffic and the native hardwood industry is on its last legs. With the new Stratford bridge under construction and a big mineral sands mine likely to come on line, there could be prospects for that business in coming years.

Mineral sands?  Is this the outfit north east of Bairnsdale?
North West of Bairnsdale.
Nightfire
Not every body in Bairnsdale is happy about the proposed Mineral Sands Mine at the Fingerboards ,North West of Bairnsdale. There are plenty of large Orange signs with black writing on houses and shops all around the town. I have nothing to do with the mine ,this is just how I see it. Fact No ONE and the only fact that I am certain of is that ( the Mineral Sands Mine isnt a mine ,the overburden or organic matter will be exposed to revel the sand ,then it will be dug up,taken away either by road or rail ( old Lindenow station area is the closest 5-10 km )then the top soil is replaced) . The Lindenow Flats has  very rich soil and is just north of the Proposed mine. The Flats are  a large producer of salad vegetables that provide for the Melb and Sydney Markets . There could be 4 or 5  semi trailers every day that head north to sydney . The vegetable producers don't want dust from the open cut on their vegetables . People want jobs  ,I think it going though it environmental clearance so watch the post!!!
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
The construction of the new bridge was approved on the basis of it supporting the existing Sale-Bairnsdale passenger service. It has been designed with axle loading capacity to support future freight, which is presently not permitted because of the condition of the existing structure. Bairnsdale is 280km from Melbourne, which puts it in the contestable range for rail freight. So it may well be possible to get a Warrnambool-type rail freight operation, based on the existing producers in the area. That is up to one of the rail freight providers to pursue, but it would align very nicely with the not yet approved mineral sands traffic.
gippslander

Can we consider petroleum and intermodal?
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
The construction of the new bridge was approved on the basis of it supporting the existing Sale-Bairnsdale passenger service. It has been designed with axle loading capacity to support future freight, which is presently not permitted because of the condition of the existing structure. Bairnsdale is 280km from Melbourne, which puts it in the contestable range for rail freight. So it may well be possible to get a Warrnambool-type rail freight operation, based on the existing producers in the area. That is up to one of the rail freight providers to pursue, but it would align very nicely with the not yet approved mineral sands traffic.

Can we consider petroleum and intermodal?
8077
Anything is possible but one or more of the freight providers needs to start talking to local freight users. I agree the mineral sands project has some local opposition but the concerns will have to be addressed as part of the approvals process. Petroleum is no longer carried by rail in Victoria and facilities like the Geelong refinery are disconnected from the network. The best chances for East Gippsland (in no particular order are intermodal, mineral sands and possibly roadmaking material. Timber is effectively finished - not sure where the proposed Benambra copper mine is up to, last I heard was the proponents had mothballed it - same as the Nowa Nowa iron ore mine.
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Petroleum is no longer carried by rail in Victoria and facilities like the Geelong refinery are disconnected from the network.
gippslander
The refinery is still connected to the network, but you can't load anything as the Terminal Loading Point was condemned over a decade a ago, and has since been removed.

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