XAM2179 looks to be still on the track ok, so this sleeper will likely return to service quickly but they also have a spare which maybe available and enable it to be rotated out for repairs.
The XAM is the car on its side behind 2018
Only the XAM and some of the XL cars have the Explorer style bogie clearly seen in the photographs.

Peter

EDITED: https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2169878.htm  for discussion of single XP unit  and on other locos pulling the xpt carriages.  This is not a a on topic discussion point. Worthy of  the seperate thread.  I will splitted off topic not directly related to this accident, and since then deleted two posts  - which I then posted int he new thread.

XAM2175 ,  A6et  I suggest you  follow that link and repost if desired.

The signal box at Wallan had been damaged by fire after a copper wire theft.

^^^ Hi Fatty. Could you clarify if that was a Signal Box or a Signal Hut (ie: lineside hut) that you referred to.

There is a big difference between the two.

marvin
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^^^ Hi Fatty. Could you clarify if that was a Signal Box or a Signal Hut (ie: lineside hut) that you referred to.

There is a big difference between the two.

marvin
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Signal hut for the pedants.

From what I've seen trains were switched from the main to the loop at 1900 on the day of the incident.

Do we need to start thinking about a secondary route to the north out of Melbourne?  Time to consider Mildura - Broken Hill?

No, this is just diluting existing limited funds away from the existing trackage for a once in a generation event.

The mainline track looks only slightly damaged and once they lift that carriage out of the way it will likely be repaired in a shift.

2ndry routes need to be justified for their own reasons. Qld had 2ndry routes that were used in occasionally but less and less during 90's and 00's because of axle loads and clearance issues as the 2ndry lines were outdated branch lines with light axle loads. Both routes have since been removed and trains keep running on the main.

As another posted stated, the back for modern railways is the tried, trusted and well proven quick repair to the track and/or road transport.

According to a Channel 7 news report posted a few hours ago, the reporter states the the train is heading for the scrap yard, the XPT beyond repair

Keep it civil - Please.

According to a Channel 7 news report posted a few hours ago, the reporter states the the train is heading for the scrap yard, the XPT beyond repair

The XPT is:

XP2018, XAM2179, XL2229, XBR2155, XF2201, XFH2108 and XP2000.

They may scrap XP2018...

XF2201, XFH2108 and XP2000 look quite ok, and might need minor repair.


There aren't enough spare XAM, XBR and XL to scrap those....

Bombardier could have those repaired in a couple of weeks. They could probably fix 2018 while they are at it.

Peter

In some of those instances, and that isn't all of them in the ATSB database, the crew were injured during the derailment that likely wouldn't have happened if they were strapped in to a decent seat & harness. As to how many crew would wear a harness if it were provided? No idea...

What about in the 7MP5 Jumperkine collision? A seat belt would've hindered a driver's escape, although in that instance he never got the chance anyway.

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2169986.htm#2169986  seatbelts in locos replaces the interesting discussion on ,well seatbelts in the XPT and  locos in general.

No more in this thread please on that topic, any further posts on those lines may be deleted without notice.

According to a Channel 7 news report posted a few hours ago, the reporter states the the train is heading for the scrap yard, the XPT beyond repair

The XPT is:

XP2018, XAM2179, XL2229, XBR2155, XF2201, XFH2108 and XP2000.

They may scrap XP2018...

XF2201, XFH2108 and XP2000 look quite ok, and might need minor repair.


There aren't enough spare XAM, XBR and XL to scrap those....

Bombardier could have those repaired in a couple of weeks. They could probably fix 2018 while they are at it.

Peter

The rear power car XP2000 seems to look ok and the least affected and appears to be totally upright and completely (all wheels) on the tracks, unlike the rest of the consist.

For the record, they've been running XPT services with one power car (XP2003) out of action since January 2018.

This was the full report - again.....don't take things they say as gospel....but simply putting a link to it for those interested.

https://www.facebook.com/7NEWSsydney/posts/3364656430225133

Have XPLs ever ran all the way between SYD-MEL?

The Weekend Australian is reporting the signal failures were caused by a power line which failed and caused damage to the signalling hut for Wallan area.

Reports the set is being recovered today.   Since it's near the highway, anyone out there with a camera?

23 February 2020 9:35am posted by Sydney Morning Herald

https://www.smh.com.au/national/derailed-train-to-be-winched-off-the-tracks-at-wallan-20200223-p543f8.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1582411535

Highlights from the above:-

- Train to be winched off the tracks at Wallan on Sunday (today)
- Investigators now finished on-site probe with some locomotive units and passenger carriages to be removed from the area using heavy machinery, before they are relocated for more damage assessments
- A number of functional carriages will be placed back on the tracks and connected to the locomotive unit at the back of the train, which was undamaged, before being transported by rail. (this refers to the rear loco XP2000)
- Crews have been sent from Sydney to assess whether segments of the train could be reused, such as the diesel locomotive unit at the rear of the XPT which remained on the tracks
- A media spokesperson for Transport for NSW said the current level of damage to the train is unknown and once preliminary assessments are completed, the train will be transported back to NSW
- "The process is going to take a number of days, it does depend on a number of factors...access to the site is quite difficult"

So from above, we may see XP2000 come back to Sydney under it's own power with a couple of the trailers

Might try and head up there this afternoon.

This seems to be the notice that didn't get to the crew of ST23.
I note that it was only issued on the Thursday of the accident.

Peter

Daily Notice
367 / 2020
Wallan Loop Train Running
Daily Notice
Effective From: 19/02/2020
Effective To: 20/02/2020
Operator: GEN
Issued: 19/02/2020
APPLIES TO THE FOLLOWING ROUTE: -
Somerton to Albury
Thursday 20/02/2020
Donnybrook to Kilmore East
Trains Operating Via No. 2 Track Wallan Loop
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
In addition to instructions contained in Train Notice 266 / 2020 issued on 13/02/2020 the following temporary alteration
to working will apply.
On Thursday 20 February 2020 between 1430 hrs and 2130 hours, all trains will operate via No. 2 track at Wallan
Loop, in the Donnybrook to Kilmore East, Train Authority Single Line Section.
At approx. 1400hrs the TFPC will obtain a Track Warrant between Signal DBK8 at Donnybrook and KME4 at Kilmore
East and upon Stop Boards being erected at Wallan Loop, the Safeworking Manager will set points 3 at the Melbourne
end of Wallan Loop, and Points 7 at the Kilmore East end of Wallan Loop to the reverse position and then reapply the
point clips and secure the point clips with special padlocks.
Upon the Track Warrant being cancelled, Train Authorities will be worded as follows:
The following wording will be used for a rail movement from Donnybrook (west line) to Kilmore East:
TRAIN AUTHORITY WORKING APPLIES
BETWEEN DONNYBROOK AND KILMORE EAST
PASS SIGNAL DBK6 AT STOP,
PROCEED TO SIGNAL KME2 AT KILMORE EAST
DISREGARD SIGNAL ASPECTS BETWEEN
HOME SIGNAL DBK8 AND HOME SIGNAL KME2
NOTE: POINTS AT WALLAN LOOP SET AND SECURED FOR NO. 2 TRACK
MAXIMUM SPEED ENTERING WALLAN LOOP 15KPH
MAXIMUM SPEED EXITING WALLAN LOOP 35KPH UNTIL TRAIN HAS CLEARED POINTS
The following wording will be used for a rail movement from Donnybrook (east line) to Kilmore East:
TRAIN AUTHORITY WORKING APPLIES
BETWEEN DONNYBROOK AND KILMORE EAST
PASS SIGNAL DBK18 AT STOP,
PROCEED TO SIGNAL KME2 AT KILMORE EAST
DISREGARD SIGNAL ASPECTS BETWEEN
HOME SIGNAL DBK8 AND HOME SIGNAL KME2
NOTE: POINTS AT WALLAN LOOP SET AND SECURED FOR NO. 2 TRACK
MAXIMUM SPEED ENTERING WALLAN LOOP 15KPH
MAXIMUM SPEED EXITING WALLAN LOOP 35KPH UNTIL TRAIN HAS CLEARED POINTS
The following wording will be used for a rail movement from Kilmore East (west line) to Donnybrook:
TRAIN AUTHORITY WORKING APPLIES
BETWEEN KILMORE EAST AND DONNYBROOK
PASS SIGNAL KME4 AT STOP,
PROCEED TO SIGNAL DBK8 AT DONNYBROOK
DISREGARD SIGNAL ASPECTS BETWEEN
HOME SIGNAL KME2 AND HOME SIGNAL DBK8
19/02/2020 6:06 PM
NOTE: POINTS AT WALLAN LOOP SET AND SECURED FOR NO. 2 TRACK
MAXIMUM SPEED ENTERING WALLAN LOOP 15KPH
MAXIMUM SPEED EXITING WALLAN LOOP 35KPH UNTIL TRAIN HAS CLEARED POINTS
The following wording will be used for a rail movement from Kilmore East (east line) to Donnybrook:
TRAIN AUTHORITY WORKING APPLIES
BETWEEN KILMORE EAST AND DONNYBROOK
PASS SIGNAL KME16 AT STOP,
PROCEED TO SIGNAL DBK8 AT DONNYBROOK
DISREGARD SIGNAL ASPECTS BETWEEN
HOME SIGNAL KME2 AND HOME SIGNAL DBK8
NOTE: POINTS AT WALLAN LOOP SET AND SECURED FOR NO. 2 TRACK
MAXIMUM SPEED ENTERING WALLAN LOOP 15KPH
MAXIMUM SPEED EXITING WALLAN LOOP 35KPH UNTIL TRAIN HAS CLEARED POINTS
When dictating the Train Authority to the Signaller, station names must be spelt, and numbers must be dictated
individually.
SPECIAL NOTE:
# The maximum speed for trains entering Wallan No. 2 track and is 15Kph until the whole of the train has cleared the
points, and
# The maximum speed for trains exiting Wallan No. 2 track is 35Kph until the whole of the train has cleared the points.
The Accompanying Qualified Worker must remind train crews of trains that the train will operate via No. 2 track at
Wallan Loop and the speed limits required.
A separate train notice details testing of signalling at Wallan after which normal main line running will resume.
TFPC: Programmed TBA
Safeworking Manager: Paul
AUTHORISED BY: Mr Graham , Operations Interface, Interstate Network.

This notice concerns work on testing signals in the area of the accident.
This work only overlaps the earlier notice about use of the loop track by ten minutes.
Perhaps other work was planned in the area?
This too was issued on the day of the accident.

Peter

Daily Notice
372 / 2020
Wallan Signal Testing
Daily Notice
Effective From: 19/02/2020
Effective To: 20/02/2020
Operator: GEN
Issued: 19/02/2020
APPLIES TO THE FOLLOWING ROUTE: -
Somerton to Albury
Thursday 19 Feb 2020 2120hrs to 0215hrs
Donnybrook to Kilmore East
Signal testing, Wallan
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Between 2120hrs (or after passage of 5MB4) on Thursday 19 Feb 2020 and until 0215hrs Friday 20 Feb 2020, ARTC
will be undertaking signal testing of the signalling between Donnybrook and Kilmore East.
The signal testing will be undertaken under the protection of a Track Warrant issued by the ARTC Network Controller
between Donnybrook Signal DBK2 and Kilmore East Signal MPR8.
Provided the Track Warrant has been issued and blocking commands have been applied to signals DBK2 and MPR8,
blocking commands on Donnybrook Signals DBK6 and DBK18, and Kilmore East Signals KME4 and KME16 may be
removed and the signals may be operated by the ARTC Network Controller as requested by the Wallan Tester In
Charge.
During the signal testing, all extinguished signals may be lit, and the point clips removed from all points at Wallan Loop
and the points placed in the Motor position.
Prior to the Track Warrant being cancelled, blocking commands must again be applied to Donnybrook Signals DBK6
and DBK18, and Kilmore East Signals KME4 and KME16, associated signals extinguished and points 3 and points 7
placed in the hand operating position and point clips applied and secured with special locks.
TFPC: Programmed TBA
Safeworking Manager: Paul
AUTHORISED BY: Mr Graham , Operations Interface, Interstate Network.

Have XPLs ever ran all the way between SYD-MEL?

Since all of them were built at Dandenong, the answer is yes...

They were later upgraded at Dandenong.

There aren't enough Explorers to run a set to Melbourne on a regular basis.

Peter

This notice concerns work on testing signals in the area of the accident.
This work only overlaps the earlier notice about use of the loop track by ten minutes.
Perhaps other work was planned in the area?
This too was issued on the day of the accident.

Peter

Daily Notice
372 / 2020
Wallan Signal Testing
Daily Notice
Effective From: 19/02/2020
Effective To: 20/02/2020
Operator: GEN
Issued: 19/02/2020
APPLIES TO THE FOLLOWING ROUTE: -
Somerton to Albury
Thursday 19 Feb 2020 2120hrs to 0215hrs
Donnybrook to Kilmore East
Signal testing, Wallan
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Between 2120hrs (or after passage of 5MB4) on Thursday 19 Feb 2020 and until 0215hrs Friday 20 Feb 2020, ARTC
will be undertaking signal testing of the signalling between Donnybrook and Kilmore East.
The signal testing will be undertaken under the protection of a Track Warrant issued by the ARTC Network Controller
between Donnybrook Signal DBK2 and Kilmore East Signal MPR8.
Provided the Track Warrant has been issued and blocking commands have been applied to signals DBK2 and MPR8,
blocking commands on Donnybrook Signals DBK6 and DBK18, and Kilmore East Signals KME4 and KME16 may be
removed and the signals may be operated by the ARTC Network Controller as requested by the Wallan Tester In
Charge.
During the signal testing, all extinguished signals may be lit, and the point clips removed from all points at Wallan Loop
and the points placed in the Motor position.
Prior to the Track Warrant being cancelled, blocking commands must again be applied to Donnybrook Signals DBK6
and DBK18, and Kilmore East Signals KME4 and KME16, associated signals extinguished and points 3 and points 7
placed in the hand operating position and point clips applied and secured with special locks.
TFPC: Programmed TBA
Safeworking Manager: Paul
AUTHORISED BY: Mr Graham , Operations Interface, Interstate Network.

Thanks

I think looking at the condition of the rear of the train (still on rails), length of the train off the tracks and the speed limit of the turn out most if not all of us here know exactly what the physics were that put the XPT off the rails. The why will prove interesting.

Latest from ARTC https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/wallan-incident-advice-4-repair-and-recovery-updated-23-02-20-12-00pm-aedt

A G class SG has arrived at Wallan to assist

Live footage of the recovery effort Channel 7

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=2456367497962641&ref=watch_permalink