The corona virus COVID-19

 
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Has Don started ranting about the Blessed Church of the Coronavrius yet Razz
And the Corona fairy, or will it be the Virus fairy.
Waiting for him to praise his BFF's Response to it and blame China.Smile
China IS responsible - short memory much?
You take the bait every-time.Razz

Covid-19 is as Chinese as Spanish flu is Spanish.
I'm Sure the immortal Chairman Xi, purposefully released it to keep you home!
Dangersdan707
Sorry, Dan. I disagree with the premise of your theory.
If  Xi released this in that context it would not be keep Don at home, but remove his ability to type!Laughing

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  bevans Site Admin
  Carnot Minister for Railways

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  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Has Don started ranting about the Blessed Church of the Coronavrius yet Razz
And the Corona fairy, or will it be the Virus fairy.
Waiting for him to praise his BFF's Response to it and blame China.Smile
China IS responsible - short memory much?
You take the bait every-time.Razz

Covid-19 is as Chinese as Spanish flu is Spanish.
I'm Sure the immortal Chairman Xi, purposefully released it to keep you home!
Dangersdan707
You’re somewhat right, Spanish flu didn’t originate in Spain, it’s quite likely it moved from the east, somewhere like China. There is little doubt that COVID-19 proved to be zoonotic in Wuhan, which whence I last checked most certainly was in China. The first infection of a person with a mutated virus allowing it to pass human to human was also in China.

Covid-19 is far, far more chinese than the Spanish flu is Spanish.
  stooge spark Chief Train Controller

Location: My House
Aaron, we need everyone' to be sensible, but the problem is they are not.

This is why governments elsewhere are locking citizens inside their homes. The people just don't get it

Is this overreacting? Not if you look at their ever rising body counts.

You must be at the opposite end of the spectrum.

There is a reason why HK has been sending their infected to camps and it has got to do with their recent history of contagions and understanding of human behaviour.

Remember when HK authorities were emptying out high rise buildings recently? People were asked to evacuate, and they were not cooperating. Eventually, they were flushed out and taken away. Desperate times, desperate measures.

If anyone thinks that body count will never be an issue here, check out the following link and the number of available ICU beds in this country. Sobering.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-in-australia-infectious-disease-expert-dale-fisher-issues-dire-warning-for-months-ahead/news-story/7f7ce83cad71110fa3fb4c5cfd4e5a93

We all know people in the medical profession. I know one doctor in a large public hospital ED here, and she has two young children (one is an infant) that she has not seen for days because she refuses to go near them or her (carer) husband, or her own parents. How does she feel seeing Bondi Beach, restaurants and clubs overflowing while she makes her own sacrifices?

Corono is not an airborne virus, corono won't jump hospital walls, we have very effective disease control in Australia, ... it will never happen here, nothing to see here.
ANR
I like how you blame people for spreading the virus, yet you haven't blamed the people overreacting for potentially killing many more people.

What I believe is the reason for the need to "flatten the curve" is because the Government (as much as I would not like to give them any credit during this time) recognizes that people are utterly bonkers and dumb as dog spit.

They recognize that the reason we're going to run of beds is because people are selfish and will try and get into ICU just because they have a cough or something.

Of course, I have no respect for the government anymore, and I hope that when the virus ends, a Nuremberg style trial is put into motion.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
ANR, Australia is doing quite fine at the moment, more than 10% of Australian deaths have occurred outside Australia.

In a world struggling to keep the mortality under 7%, it’s already assured to go above 3 or 4% Australia is tracking at under 1%, less than 3/4 of a percent last night.

At this point, as mentioned by stooge spark, you’re quite possibly more in danger of succumbing to stress cardiomyopathy in fear of Corona in Australia than Corona itself.

Australians heading out to a beach are not a problem, you cannot catch what people don’t have, the people on the beach are not the problem, it’s the people that breach quarantine, and I don’t think we have even a single charge of that yet.

Ask your Dr friend about the returned man from Indonesia (a true ‘Bali Bogan’) who returned to Australia for surgery, then post surgery informed medical staff that he had Corona, which he was subsequently tested and returned positive for. Where is he now? I have no idea, but I can tell you where he isn’t, he’s certainly not in remand.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Now this is a worry

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
ANR, Australia is doing quite fine at the moment, more than 10% of Australian deaths have occurred outside Australia.

In a world struggling to keep the mortality under 7%, it’s already assured to go above 3 or 4% Australia is tracking at under 1%, less than 3/4 of a percent last night.

At this point, as mentioned by stooge spark, you’re quite possibly more in danger of succumbing to stress cardiomyopathy in fear of Corona in Australia than Corona itself.

Australians heading out to a beach are not a problem, you cannot catch what people don’t have, the people on the beach are not the problem, it’s the people that breach quarantine, and I don’t think we have even a single charge of that yet.

Ask your Dr friend about the returned man from Indonesia (a true ‘Bali Bogan’) who returned to Australia for surgery, then post surgery informed medical staff that he had Corona, which he was subsequently tested and returned positive for. Where is he now? I have no idea, but I can tell you where he isn’t, he’s certainly not in remand.
Aaron
Aaron
How are you counting the % death rate?

From worldometer for Australia

7 dead
88 recovered

That's around 8% fatality rate of the people who have contacted the virus and have a known outcome. I agree most contacted the virus off shore and they were classic cruise clientele, ie old.

1258 people still infected, their outcome is not yet known until they recover or die, but only 2 are currently listed as critical.

In comparison, Italy
5500 dead
7000 recovered,
1750 critical
46,000 active cases
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

ANR, Australia is doing quite fine at the moment, more than 10% of Australian deaths have occurred outside Australia.

In a world struggling to keep the mortality under 7%, it’s already assured to go above 3 or 4% Australia is tracking at under 1%, less than 3/4 of a percent last night.

At this point, as mentioned by stooge spark, you’re quite possibly more in danger of succumbing to stress cardiomyopathy in fear of Corona in Australia than Corona itself.

Australians heading out to a beach are not a problem, you cannot catch what people don’t have, the people on the beach are not the problem, it’s the people that breach quarantine, and I don’t think we have even a single charge of that yet.

Ask your Dr friend about the returned man from Indonesia (a true ‘Bali Bogan’) who returned to Australia for surgery, then post surgery informed medical staff that he had Corona, which he was subsequently tested and returned positive for. Where is he now? I have no idea, but I can tell you where he isn’t, he’s certainly not in remand.
Aaron
The Bali Bogan, what a prick.
He’s the first lowlife who should be denied ongoing care.
Find him, grab him and present with a one ticket to Xmas island.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
RTT, always deaths per infection, the uncertainty of which is why I provided the span of numbers I did.

When it’s all said and done we can calculate deaths per closed case which (incidentally, that is also going to be deaths per infection number) and this is where the 7% bound comes from, not deaths per recovery which is somewhat meaningless.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
michaelgm, yes indeed. I admit I don’t have the full story in regards to this, but I presume that is an entire surgical team out of rotation for at least a few days of testing, possibly at least two weeks if positive. All because an f-wit either didn’t want to forgo his place in the elective queue, or wanted to use his two weeks of post-op sick leave as self isolation time.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
RTT, always deaths per infection, the uncertainty of which is why I provided the span of numbers I did.

When it’s all said and done we can calculate deaths per closed case which (incidentally, that is also going to be deaths per infection number) and this is where the 7% bound comes from, not deaths per recovery which is somewhat meaningless.
Aaron
"Deaths per infection" is only a useful metric at the completion of the outbreak as the outcome is then well defined to be survive or death as all cases are closed.

"Deaths per infection" during the expansion of the outbreak is useless at best and deception at worst as you are comparing apples with road trains.

"Deaths per recovery" is most relevant and hardly meaningless during the progress of the outbreak as you are comparing apples with apples, as you said, the case is closed with a defined outcome.
  stooge spark Chief Train Controller

Location: My House
Does anyone find it odd that people are ok with the government forcing people to stay indoors, handing out fines and the like.

Seems like a slippery slope to me.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Does anyone find it odd that people are ok with the government forcing people to stay indoors, handing out fines and the like.

Seems like a slippery slope to me.
stooge spark
People are still allowed to be outside in their backyards even if they're under self-isolation rules, surely?

Anyway, some dramas in Fremantle with a highly infected cruise ship with European passengers wanting to dock.  Govt are saying "no way" after the Ruby Princess debacle last week:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-23/coronavirus-cruise-ship-with-250-passengers-heading-for-perth/12081684
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Does anyone find it odd that people are ok with the government forcing people to stay indoors, handing out fines and the like.

Seems like a slippery slope to me.
stooge spark
What do you propose? Stay in side or simply accept that face that most of us will get the bug of which between 5 and 10% of the population will die as there will be insufficient health care available so people will die at home untreated who could otherwise be saved.

As Aaron called it, the "boomer remover" virus unchecked will no doubt clean out our aged care facilities, hospitals and many of those still at home with more chronic illnesses.

The "stay in doors or be jailed" worked in the far more dense population in China and now they are starting to slowly return to normal.

I know the wako's in the Southern USA are starting to buy guns because apparently they need more because they feel either a govt take over (note the govt runs the country now with their beloved President at the helm) and/or civil anarchy, which is why they justify owning their guns in the first place so they can do that.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

So what are we to do with the death ship off Fremantle?

250 pax with upper respiratory illness.

Can WA hospitals cope with 250 acute pax?

What will happen to the rest? Will they stay on the boat or be let loose to buy some local fish and chips?

Should send them round to Circular Quay.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
You’re somewhat right, Spanish flu didn’t originate in Spain, it’s quite likely it moved from the east, somewhere like China. There is little doubt that COVID-19 proved to be zoonotic in Wuhan, which whence I last checked most certainly was in China. The first infection of a person with a mutated virus allowing it to pass human to human was also in China. Covid-19 is far, far more chinese than the Spanish flu is Spanish.
Aaron
Others claim that Spanish Flu came from The United States, Others to claim it came from somewhere in the British empire. We'll never know for sure.

It sure did first catch on in China, but labelling it as El Donaldo has as a 'Chinese Virus' is in my view a tad racist and xenophobic (as with naming any plague after an ethnic group). Very well, I concede defeat. Just Winding up Don can be a delight at times.


Sorry, Dan. I disagree with the premise of your theory. If Xi released this in that context it would not be keep Don at home, but remove his ability to type:lol:
Michealgm
Of course! I stand corrected! It would be to isolate him from the rest of the world so they could quietly and calmly silence him without a fuss without needing to use the Great Firewall.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

There are reports in European media that many city dwellers are leaving the cities ahead of a more draconian lockdown (love the word ''draconian''), and heading for country areas to escape the densely populated infected areas.

Is the same thing happening here? I saw a lot of caravan haulers leaving Sydney last Friday.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Anecdotally heaps of people are "bugging out" and filling up free-camping grounds around Central Vic in their Caravans, Winnebagos, tents, and campervans.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Anecdotally heaps of people are "bugging out" and filling up free-camping grounds around Central Vic in their Caravans, Winnebagos, tents, and campervans.
"Carnot"
Eminently sensible move if you ask me. My sister and brother in law are habitual caravaners who had nothing really planned. The pandemic changed their minds quick smart, and they have hooked their smart little folding van to the Land Cruiser and headed off. They're now out in the bush somewhere, and out of harm's way.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
So what are we to do with the death ship off Fremantle?

250 pax with upper respiratory illness.

Can WA hospitals cope with 250 acute pax?

What will happen to the rest? Will they stay on the boat or be let loose to buy some local fish and chips?

Should send them round to Circular Quay.
ANR
Maybe send the Navy in?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Anecdotally heaps of people are "bugging out" and filling up free-camping grounds around Central Vic in their Caravans, Winnebagos, tents, and campervans.
Eminently sensible move if you ask me. My sister and brother in law are habitual caravaners who had nothing really planned. The pandemic changed their minds quick smart, and they have hooked their smart little folding van to the Land Cruiser and headed off. They're now out in the bush somewhere, and out of harm's way.
Valvegear
No job or working from home, why the hell not?

Pack up and get out. However I wouldn't be going to a camping ground or Cara park, rather going bush. I would do it if I could just to get away from the bull sh_t, wife and I discussed this last night wouldn't it be great just to go camping in remote of Australia for a month or two.

Hope the Sis and Bro in law are enjoying.

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