The corona virus COVID-19

 
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

The Spanish are not doing do well with the Chinese virus. This is devastating.

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-24/spain-elderly-people-dead-in-beds-coronavirus-worsens/12084892

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  9034 Train Controller

Health as such is a state responsibility, and it was NSW Health that let them go. I was thinking similar about the federal organisations, but border protection, immigration and quarantine were left out of it.

It seems that NSW Health were not too concerned because they had preconceived ideas that a cruise from NZ was a low risk and hence never performed a check (proper or otherwise).
Aaron
Alas,   seems to be a general failure all round.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/coronavirus-border-force-blamed-for-ruby-princess-cruise-ship-disaster/news-story/410e62145badb95404b2ba5fe0ee9bfc


'The Australian can also reveal that the master of the Ruby Princess allegedly told Australian Border Force officials there were no sick people on board the ship as it pulled into Sydney, raising questions as to why an ambulance was on standby to transport a passenger — the woman who died — when the vessel docked at 2.29am"

begs the question of who called the ambulance and was the ABF notified and if the ambulance service flagged to anyone else the reason why the ambulance was called.   Despite everyone believing that if you notify one area of government,  they (all of government) all know about it.  Not true, unless the communications channels are used,  no one else knows.

All  water under the bridge now.   The mistake has been made and cannot be corrected.  the passengers need to be traced and notified.  

One thing I will note is that I have not seen in media anyone stating that if you have been a passenger or have been in contact with a passenger from the liner,  self isolate and contact the relevant  health authorities.   they have been too busy big noting themselves and showing off how much better their "experts" are.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Alas,   seems to be a general failure all round.

begs the question of who called the ambulance and was the ABF notified and if the ambulance service flagged to anyone else the reason why the ambulance was called.   Despite everyone believing that if you notify one area of government,  they (all of government) all know about it.  Not true, unless the communications channels are used,  no one else knows.
9034
This is a classic case where both state and federal governments were at fault but neither is being held accountable for it, a long-standing problem in Australian politics.

This is not a car crash where you split the damages according to the proportion of fault, this is a case where both parties were fully at fault.

All  water under the bridge now.   The mistake has been made and cannot be corrected.  the passengers need to be traced and notified.  

One thing I will note is that I have not seen in media anyone stating that if you have been a passenger or have been in contact with a passenger from the liner,  self isolate and contact the relevant  health authorities.
9034
There have been a handful of public announcements along those lines, clear enough that even I'm aware of them in SA.

I hope that they have also been accompanied by behind-the-scenes direct contacts.

They have been too busy big noting themselves and showing off how much better their "experts" are.
9034
Australian TV networks should stop showing the PM speaking live.

The important points can be summarised clearly in a bulletin with appropriately selected grabs from the recorded footage. The extemporaneous gaffes - of which the 'all workers are essential' one tonight was one of the worst - can be kept on file for potential future use in a takedown piece.

It's not about him, it's about the message.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
From an article in Macrobusiness, where the linked to The Australian

Nope. No surprise. And so, you get stuff ups like this:

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian told a confidential partyroom meeting on Tuesday that Australian Border Force officials were ­responsible for a catastrophic decision to release 2700 cruise ship passengers into the community, and that the agency should wear the blame for the risk of contagion ­unfolding in various states.

Ms Berejiklian made the remarks as it emerged one passenger from the Ruby Princess died on Tuesday morning and at least 133 others had become infected with the virus — including one NSW man, Greg Butler, 56, who left the ship, travelled for six hours on public transport to Tamworth, and then fell ill days later while in quarantine. He is being treated in an isolation ward in hospital.

Passengers from the ship dispersed across the country and overseas after passing through the Overseas Passenger Terminal at Sydney’s Circular Quay without being screened for the virus or having their passports checked.

That seems unbelievable. Yet, without leadership, it is unavoidable because nobody knows where the boundaries are.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
That might have been from the article that 9034 linked to, but Ruperts paywall keeps me and probably others out.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The commissioner of the Australian Border Force says that it was NSW Health's fault.

He and Gladys should be put in isolation together until they come up with the answer.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Local Mildura newspaper has closed it doors over the virus.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
The commissioner of the Australian Border Force says that it was NSW Health's fault.

He and Gladys should be put in isolation together until they come up with the answer.
justapassenger
I'd put my faith in Gladys than the the Federal muppets.They really have form in the trustworthy stakes.
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

So the reasoning that schools and childcare are not closed because according to the government's medical advisers children are not carriers. They're saying that it's ok to send them to school because they won't catch it, but not to the shops because they might catch it.
Setting aside the fact that some children have now been hit by the virus, can one of these advisers explain how the virus disappears if a child touches it?


Edit: Upon reflection I now realise that, technically, a "carrier" is one who is actually infected and not just carrying the virus on the outside of their body. It sounds like the government is using the technical definition to justify their position.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
It sounds like the government is using the technical definition to justify their position.
Madjikthise
All of politics is about trying to justify positions.

The case of Ruby Princess, is a classic. Customs, Immigration, Quarantine and Border Protection are Federal jurisdictions. Morrison and Dutton are quite happy to brag about their tough policies when it suits them. Now, they're duck shoving the blame on to NSW.

I did read somebody writing that Health is a State Government responsibility. If so, Greg Hunt, the Federal Minister for Health must be getting his considerable salary under false pretences.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I did read somebody writing that Health is a State Government responsibility. If so, Greg Hunt, the Federal Minister for Health must be getting his considerable salary under false pretences.
Valvegear
Constitutionally, it is a state responsibility.

The states have referred the power (as permitted by the Constitution) to act on health to the Commonwealth, so it is now both.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Even the animals are getting anxious

  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Minister Hazard needs to go over that, if NSW Health is in charge, which the bloke in charge of Border Force said it was on the Ray Hadley show, Hazard's position is untenable!
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Can the crews of these ships off the WA coastline be believed after what happened in Sydney?

From a humanitarian point of view, the navy may need to respond and crews will need to come clean.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/leave-and-go-home-wa-premier-hints-at-tampa-response-to-cruise-ship-chaos-off-fremantle-20200325-p54dtn.html
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
So the reasoning that schools and childcare are not closed because according to the government's medical advisers children are not carriers. They're saying that it's ok to send them to school because they won't catch it, but not to the shops because they might catch it.
Setting aside the fact that some children have now been hit by the virus, can one of these advisers explain how the virus disappears if a child touches it?


Edit: Upon reflection I now realise that, technically, a "carrier" is one who is actually infected and not just carrying the virus on the outside of their body. It sounds like the government is using the technical definition to justify their position.
Madjikthise

You'd hope they are using technical input to justify their decision making.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner



Whatever you think of her politics, she's 100% right.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Her first time?
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Prince Charles has tested positive to COVID-19. - https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/prince-charles-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/ar-BB11Gmh9?ocid=spartanntp
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Meanwhile, thanks to the rush of deaths in Spain and Italy, the Corona Virus now has a 15% death rate on closed cases.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Meanwhile, thanks to the rush of deaths in Spain and Italy, the Corona Virus now has a 15% death rate on closed cases.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
RTT_Rules

Info also states the majority of ICU cases in Spain are people under the age of 50.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Re the issue of who was at fault with the Ruby Princess; the ship docked at the Overseas Passenger Terminal. In other words, that was the Australian Border as far as passengers were concerned. That is where Passports, Visas, Customs and Quarantine checks take place. Border Protection is a Federal responsibility regardless of whether people arrive by sea or air.

Within Australia, Health is divided up among the States.  Ruby Princess does not, by any definition, fit that category. The Feds blew it - pure and simple.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Spain is in real strife.  Apparently they've run out of body bags in some cities.

Meanwhile in Australia some 'Karens' must've be so upset at the prospect of only 30 minute haircuts that they've succeeded in lobbying the Government to ditch that rule.

I despair.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Re the issue of who was at fault with the Ruby Princess; the ship docked at the Overseas Passenger Terminal. In other words, that was the Australian Border as far as passengers were concerned. That is where Passports, Visas, Customs and Quarantine checks take place. Border Protection is a Federal responsibility regardless of whether people arrive by sea or air.

Within Australia, Health is divided up among the States.  Ruby Princess does not, by any definition, fit that category. The Feds blew it - pure and simple.
Valvegear
Meanwhile the ABF chief comes out yesterday and lays the blame squarely at NSW.
So the protocol going forward is only to comment on, on water matters to push someone under a bus? Got it.

Couldn’t possibly be Scumos responsibly, bet his smeg doesn’t even stink.
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Spain is in real strife.  Apparently they've run out of body bags in some cities.

Meanwhile in Australia some 'Karens' must've be so upset at the prospect of only 30 minute haircuts that they've succeeded in lobbying the Government to ditch that rule.

I despair.
Carnot
Carnot, isn't this crazy? One hairdresser or barber can infect countless people if they get corono.

Non Essential services should be shuttered. Dr Norman Swan gave an excellent interview on ABC News Breakfast this morning. I wish he was our PM. I can't see the Eastern State Premiers delaying a shut down any further.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australian-government-urged-to-push-full-covid19-lockdown/news-story/f392f85810b73b8eccd7447c4dd8207f
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Had this sent to me this morning covering China and the real china now not what the Chinese government is stating is going on.

http://dams.omni.com.au:8080/razuna/raz2/dam/index.cfm?fa=c.sv&f=AC2DE96D33624025AD2E589506F9F31B&v=o

Note the bodies dead in street and the body dead in the river.  Chinese government locking down the social media networks.  The government welding up doors to apartment blocks to keep people in.

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