It's the economy, stupid!

 
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I went to a Foodland too and they had everything that I couldn't get at Woolies including parmesan and dry pasta; they even had toilet paper. I think their supply chains are probably better because they're local.
don_dunstan
Were you at a Foodland or a Drakes?

Foodland is part of the national Metcash chain along with IGA and has a national supply chain - the only thing that makes them different from Coleworths is that IGA/Foodland stores are franchises rather than being owned directly by Metcash.

Drakes is now independent and has been setting up their own distribution centre out in the northern suburbs. Drakes stores are also doing the first hour for seniors and people with disabilities, but you won't see the big News Ltd papers giving them the free publicity for it like they did for Coleworths.

I think it's not so much about supply chains but just the people sticking with the Coleworths duopoly and aren't smart enough to try other options.
"justapassenger"

I was at a Drakes today.

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  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I think it's not so much about supply chains but just the people sticking with the Coleworths duopoly and aren't smart enough to try other options.
justapassenger
Which is all well and good if you have alternatives! We have Aldi, Coles and Woolworths. We do have Foodworks (AURL), but it is a small store that doesn't stock everything we need, generally higher prices.
"Graham4405"

Haven't set foot in an Aldi in years - can't be bothered with it.

I agree with justapassenger, Foodland and Drakes Foodland provide reasonable competition to the major chains in South Australia - they're also prominent in regional SA (ie the only supermarket on Kangaroo Island is a Foodland).
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
whoosh
oh cute, he's making plane noises like my youngest!

Open wide, in comes the jelly!
RTT_Rules
OOoohhh we must have hit a nerve, is that the best you've got, facts and evidence can prove embarrassing to some



A general question to anybody, has RP been down the last couple of days,the roundabout way I had to use to get hear was rather long winded.   Here in the Wimmera Australia Post is making a big comeback, well atleast it works.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
here not hear
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
OK, champ. Let’s wait and see how history judges the Abbott/Turnbull/Morison response.
Abbott and Turnbull are no longer part of the picture and should be discarded accordingly. Their respective performance or lack of is well known and irrelevant to the current issue.

Morrison is now in the hot seat and history will record how well or bad he and the supporting team manage the country going forward for the next 30 months.
On this page alone, you’ve referred to Rudd, Gillard and Swan.

Discard accordingly?
So, did you bother read the context for which they were used and the context of the discussion overall? It was abour recession avoidance spending today vs that in 2009/10.
RTT_Rules
There was no discussion, you were just trying to rewrite history, LNP good ALP bad, that is your tiresome schema. Must thank DB for that word, I'm starting to warm to it
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
whoosh
oh cute, he's making plane noises like my youngest!

Open wide, in comes the jelly!
OOoohhh we must have hit a nerve, is that the best you've got, facts and evidence can prove embarrassing to some



A general question to anybody, has RP been down the last couple of days,the roundabout way I had to use to get hear was rather long winded.   Here in the Wimmera Australia Post is making a big comeback, well atleast it works.
wobert
No nerves hit. I have yet to see you write anything of substance and then when someone comments, you big mouth yourself and say I clearly don't what ever "but I cannot be bothered replying to you", but then you do, but just waffle.

No, RP has been fine, you were missed.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Aww shucks I was missed, as another irony meter bites the dust
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
There was no discussion, you were just trying to rewrite history, LNP good ALP bad, that is your tiresome schema. Must thank DB for that word, I'm starting to warm to it
wobert
Wobert,
Again more waffle?

No rewrite. The spending through and post GFC is well documented and even critised on by others within the or former ALP such as Mark Latham etc. So one more time for the dummies, I have never denied or said Rudd's cash spend didn't save the country from Recession. Could some of the money be better spent, again the batts issue is case in point. I will critise to the cows come home the ongoing inability for them to re balance the budget because how many years in a boom does it take?

Simple question, had Rudd won the 2013 election, how long do you think it would have taken them? Remember Rudd's core promise in 2007 was balance the budget over the economic cycle. He failed!

Its also well documented that the ongoing govts pending drove up the $ and well the impacts on the local industry as a result are ance known. If Swan even had a plan to return to balance it would have been good, however just read the budget papers, prediction to surplus, fail, repeat.

Yes the LNP also took too long, but 5min in trading economics or similar and you can see why, the economy was crashing from 2014 onwards. Canada, our similar economic stablemate, went into recession. So again since someone else brought it up, not me, TA/MT years were dealing with that and I suppose not balancing the budget quickly is economic stimulus enough. Note there was one piece of legislation repeatedly blocked by the ALP during this time to save money, I cannot remember which, but it was actually ALP legislation from prior to the election. Not sure if the libs tweeked it or not, likely.

Also note it takes 2-4 years to undo entrenched spending and legislative spending introduced by former govt. Rudd inherited a balanced budget with $20-40B surplus (what ever the number), 7 years later he handed over budget with same number, but negative in front, so basically he increased the spending by $70B in comparison to incoming. Howards tax cuts didn't help this, but still $70B.

The current govt reduced deficit from $35B'ish to basically zero over 5-6 years. So had BS won, he again would have enjoyed a balanced budget on arrival. Something the other team has yet to do for the LNP since when? So if you think I'm biased, there is good reason. Basically I'll acknowledge the Lib's allowed the economy to outgrow the deficit through immigration and economic growth more than cut the spending.

Back to topic, SCOMO's promise of a balanced budget is now null and void and as we have seen he is going on a spending spree to try and save the economy. If you wish to actually contribute to this, feel free. Or you can continue to waffle making aeroplane noises.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Keep going
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Back on the topic of the economy, Kaufland's exit from Australia has left a massive shell of a building corner of Regency and Churchill Roads in Prospect here in Adelaide but I noticed today that they're demolishing it and have the site advertised with vacant possession.

Bye bye Kaufland... we never knew you!
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Haven't set foot in an Aldi in years - can't be bothered with it.
don_dunstan
That was my tinking when the nearest Aldi was ~85km away. Now we have one ~3km away we are regular visitors. There are certain items we like to buy there, then we go to Woolworths for the rest of our shopping.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Haven't set foot in an Aldi in years - can't be bothered with it.
don_dunstan
That was my tinking when the nearest Aldi was ~85km away. Now we have one ~3km away we are regular visitors. There are certain items we like to buy there, then we go to Woolworths for the rest of our shopping.
"Graham4405"

That's the problem isn't it, you can't get everything you need there. The thing that tore it for me was the variability of the ordinary things you buy - I bought Aldi teabags once that were so foul I had to throw them in the bin with a vow to never shop at that gulag-style shop again. Doesn't matter that its potentially a lot cheaper than elsewhere - if I buy something that I can't consume then I've wasted that money anyway.

The trouble is that there's absolutely no choice, at least at any other supermarket you don't have to buy their house-brand. If they can't even get things like teabags right then I just can't be bothered with them. I think a lot of other Australians have come to the same conclusion: I read last year that Aldi had been stuck at 14% Australian market share for the last few years despite the fact that they're continuing to roll out new stores.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Haven't set foot in an Aldi in years - can't be bothered with it.
That was my tinking when the nearest Aldi was ~85km away. Now we have one ~3km away we are regular visitors. There are certain items we like to buy there, then we go to Woolworths for the rest of our shopping.

That's the problem isn't it, you can't get everything you need there. The thing that tore it for me was the variability of the ordinary things you buy - I bought Aldi teabags once that were so foul I had to throw them in the bin with a vow to never shop at that gulag-style shop again. Doesn't matter that its potentially a lot cheaper than elsewhere - if I buy something that I can't consume then I've wasted that money anyway.

The trouble is that there's absolutely no choice, at least at any other supermarket you don't have to buy their house-brand. If they can't even get things like teabags right then I just can't be bothered with them. I think a lot of other Australians have come to the same conclusion: I read last year that Aldi had been stuck at 14% Australian market share for the last few years despite the fact that they're continuing to roll out new stores.
don_dunstan
My tolerance for Supermarkets in general limits me to max of one per week. If Aldi cannot check off all the items on the list, why waste my time going there. And Agree with Don on variability, if I want a lucky dip, I'll go to a $2 shop.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

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  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Solomon Lew has today shut all of his Premier Investments shops (Just Jeans, Smiggle, Dotti, Portmans etc) and has told all the respective landlords that he will NOT PAY RENT until those stores are open again. Similarly, Melbourne's premier shopping centre Chadstone is in negotiations with its tenants to give a rent discount while they're closed.

This is going to have all sorts of ramifications - property trusts will be upended, yields destroyed.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Yeah Don,going to be interesting in the future how many reopen. With more people going online now,over this issue, (the pox)and business being forced to accommodate the extra demand, a real cultural shift may well occur.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
And this disgrace

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-27/insurer-tal-moves-to-exclude-people-who-die-from-covid-19/12093542

I daresay the local IPA rep. will be along to justify this
  7334 Chief Commissioner

Location: In the workshop wondering why I started 7334 in the first place
And this disgrace

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-27/insurer-tal-moves-to-exclude-people-who-die-from-covid-19/12093542

I daresay the local IPA rep. will be along to justify this
wobert
If you read the article, and I mean really read it, the exclusion does not apply to existing policies.

Isn't this a bit like the home owner who doesn't insure their home but during a bushfire, and when the fire is at the back fence, decides to try to insure the home and wonders why they cannot?

It seems so to me.

If you really needed to be insured why weren't you already, it's called personal responsibility.

I shall now await the outrage from those who do not understand the concept.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Annoyed ,not outraged. I actually typed out a bit of a response 7334 old chap, and then everything disappeared,rather large issues in my neck of the woods, so I'll just stay annoyed.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Just on that, at the present time with the virus, the call is out for a lot of retired Doctors and associated personnel  to make themselves available if things go really pear shaped. These people are going to be in the frontline and are more than likely to be in the more susceptible age group. And I daresay a lot of them have let their policies lapse. This gives the Insurance companies the wiggle room to, well welch on there commitments.

Also, future Doctors, and future pandemics. Thin end of the wedge, annoying, but not surprising.


Water damage ,flood damage
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Just on that, at the present time with the virus, the call is out for a lot of retired Doctors and associated personnel  to make themselves available if things go really pear shaped. These people are going to be in the frontline and are more than likely to be in the more susceptible age group. And I daresay a lot of them have let their policies lapse. This gives the Insurance companies the wiggle room to, well welch on there commitments.

Also, future Doctors, and future pandemics. Thin end of the wedge, annoying, but not surprising.


Water damage ,flood damage
"wobert"

Yeah if you are insured against disease and death then surely you should be covered for that regardless of the sudden appearance of the Wu Flu.

Looks like there are going to be two million unemployed by today - there were 280,000 people trying to apply for Jobseeker Payment through the australia.gov.au portal on Wednesday alone!
  7334 Chief Commissioner

Location: In the workshop wondering why I started 7334 in the first place
Just on that, at the present time with the virus, the call is out for a lot of retired Doctors and associated personnel  to make themselves available if things go really pear shaped. These people are going to be in the frontline and are more than likely to be in the more susceptible age group. And I daresay a lot of them have let their policies lapse. This gives the Insurance companies the wiggle room to, well welch on there commitments.

Also, future Doctors, and future pandemics. Thin end of the wedge, annoying, but not surprising.


Water damage ,flood damage

Yeah if you are insured against disease and death then surely you should be covered for that regardless of the sudden appearance of the Wu Flu.

Looks like there are going to be two million unemployed by today - there were 280,000 people trying to apply for Jobseeker Payment through the australia.gov.au portal on Wednesday alone!
don_dunstan
Go and read the ABC item, and really read it.  It says that existing policies are not affected.

The change refers to new policies.

I am the last one who is going to defend shonky insurance companies but if you take out a NEW policy then that is a whole new ball game.

There is either an exclusion in respect of COVID 19 or if it is included the premium is going to reflect the increased risk.

My view would be that if a retired medico of whatever persuasion is asked to return to a potentially very hazardous situation in the national interest then it is in that same national interest that whoever asks them to return (government) ensures they are appropriately financially protected.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I was just in my local bank branch at lunchtime and quite a few customers were withdrawing large amounts of cash. The woman in front of me wanted $20,000 but the teller told her that they could only give her $5,000 on short notice as they were running short of physical cash. Other people were anxious to get large amounts of cash out too - are people suddenly in fear of the banking system or perhaps they think they'll need cash for the upcoming black-market economy?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I just paid 83.5 cents a litre for petrol this afternoon.

Went to Tea Tree Plaza Westfields - about two-thirds of the shops were outright shut and the ones that were open were struggling to have any customers. And deathly quiet, car-park half empty and apart from the staff there were bugger all people there.

Kinda feels like the end-of-days. The Jehovah's Witnesses were right all along, prepare for the rapture!
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Kinda feels like the end-of-days. The Jehovah's Witnesses were right all along, prepare for the rapture!
"don_dunstan"
I'm busy digging in the vegie garden and trying to avoid the rupture.

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