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  Carnot Minister for Railways

Where else but on a Railpage forum does a thread about Donald Trump turn into a discussion about the peculiarities of Sydney's sewerage system?

I thought it should be discussion about Trump trying to incite militias in Virginia, Michigan and Minnesota via Twitter?  He crazy.

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  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Yeah sorry about the off topic..

Crazy Trump antics have become boring. Maybe that's his evil plan to bore everbody into electing him king of the world.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Surprisingly Melbourne is one place that gets it right - in fact Boags Rocks sewage outfall on the Mornington Peninsula (on the Bass Strait side) releases water treated to such a high standard that it contains no bacteria at all. That's thanks to the fact that Melbourne Water spent big $$$ at the Eastern Treatment Plant to get it right - why couldn't Sydney do the same?
Indeed, Melbourne treatment is "best pratice".
Aside from the yuck factor, the treated water could go back into the water supply ie: drinking.

Not surprising, it happens worldwide (eg the Murray) , except Sideney.
justarider
I've never understood why the Sugarloaf pipeline couldn't have been used to put that extremely clean water into Eildon and then subsequently into the Murray. If Melbourne doesn't want to drink or re-use that recycled water then why not sanction uses for agriculture as they've done at Werribee for decades?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I've never understood why the Sugarloaf pipeline couldn't have been used to put that extremely clean water into Eildon and then subsequently into the Murray. If Melbourne doesn't want to drink or re-use that recycled water then why not sanction uses for agriculture as they've done at Werribee for decades?
Just in case people are not familiar with Victorian geography, outflow from Eildon goes into the Goulburn River which then meanders around central Victoria before heading north and joining the Murray near Echuca. And yes, I also cannot see any reason for dumping that water and the Sugarloaf pipeline would be just the job.
Valvegear
If @don and @valve must insist on this off topic nonsense, then please at least get your facts right.

The pipeline starts from the Goulburn river, about 50km downstream from Eildon.

Reverse the pipe flow direction is feasible, but CANNOT use Eildon as storage.
The next storage downstream is Goulburn Weir at Nagambie , which is not big enough for the volumes being discussed.

cheers
John
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
I've never understood why the Sugarloaf pipeline couldn't have been used to put that extremely clean water into Eildon and then subsequently into the Murray. If Melbourne doesn't want to drink or re-use that recycled water then why not sanction uses for agriculture as they've done at Werribee for decades?
don_dunstan
yep ON TOPIC

Just the sort of pipe dream that Trump loves to tweet about
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I've never understood why the Sugarloaf pipeline couldn't have been used to put that extremely clean water into Eildon and then subsequently into the Murray. If Melbourne doesn't want to drink or re-use that recycled water then why not sanction uses for agriculture as they've done at Werribee for decades?
Just in case people are not familiar with Victorian geography, outflow from Eildon goes into the Goulburn River which then meanders around central Victoria before heading north and joining the Murray near Echuca. And yes, I also cannot see any reason for dumping that water and the Sugarloaf pipeline would be just the job.
Valvegear
The pipeline was built to be one-way pumping from Yea to Sugarloaf Dam.

A business case was done in 2016 for bi-directional pumping: https://www.water.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0016/52243/SugarloafPipeline-web.pdf
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Despite the complicated looking "Consultant's Delight" aka the business case, it is not terribly difficult to have bidirectional pumping from the Eastern treatment Plant general area, or the outfall, onwards to Eildon. The original idea was for bidirectional operation, and the design is such that it can be relatively easily done.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Fascinating stuff - a discussion on sewerage options - I think we are destined to die of boredom a lot quicker than we first thought Razz
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I've never understood why the Sugarloaf pipeline couldn't have been used to put that extremely clean water into Eildon and then subsequently into the Murray. If Melbourne doesn't want to drink or re-use that recycled water then why not sanction uses for agriculture as they've done at Werribee for decades?
Just in case people are not familiar with Victorian geography, outflow from Eildon goes into the Goulburn River which then meanders around central Victoria before heading north and joining the Murray near Echuca. And yes, I also cannot see any reason for dumping that water and the Sugarloaf pipeline would be just the job.
Valvegear
There seems to be a chronic aversion to using recycled water for direct drinking but they do that in many parts of the world - putting that water into Eildon would seem to ameliorate that fear. I for one wouldn't give a damn about drinking water for Adelaide being lifted from Mannum for storage in yet more reservoirs with the remote possibility that that the water I drank passed through Melbourne kidneys at some point a few months ago via Eastern Water, Sugarloaf pipeline, Eildon and the Murray.

Being able to regulate that Murray flow (somewhat) would solve lots of problems for taking water reliably further down-stream at Mildura, Renmark etc. All water on the planet's surface is recycled, isn't it - sending capital city treated water over the Great Dividing Range for recycling through the inland river system - a national water network probably makes too much sense.

ON another note, I'm surprised none of the Trump-haters here haven't tried to turn the sewage (thanks Graham) into capital against Trump. Orange man prompts poo talk on Railpage kinda thing...
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
ON another note, I'm surprised none of the Trump-haters here haven't tried to turn the sewage (thanks Graham) into capital against Trump. Orange man prompts poo talk on Railpage kinda thing...
don_dunstan

Something to discuss in your spare time with your mates in the Michigan militias Razz
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
ON another note, I'm surprised none of the Trump-haters here haven't tried to turn the sewage (thanks Graham) into capital against Trump. Orange man prompts poo talk on Railpage kinda thing...

Something to discuss in your spare time with your mates in the Michigan militias Razz
bingley hall
Really? I've always pictured myself as a confused alcoholic trans-sexual who goes to One Nation meetings all the time and is totes best friends with Pauline.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Donald Trump has just signed an executive order temporarily suspending immigration from the U.S.A, probably fair enough as well, as most cases of the Coronavirus are from immigration and travel.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

I've never understood why the Sugarloaf pipeline couldn't have been used to put that extremely clean water into Eildon and then subsequently into the Murray. If Melbourne doesn't want to drink or re-use that recycled water then why not sanction uses for agriculture as they've done at Werribee for decades?
Just in case people are not familiar with Victorian geography, outflow from Eildon goes into the Goulburn River which then meanders around central Victoria before heading north and joining the Murray near Echuca. And yes, I also cannot see any reason for dumping that water and the Sugarloaf pipeline would be just the job.
There seems to be a chronic aversion to using recycled water for direct drinking but they do that in many parts of the world - putting that water into Eildon would seem to ameliorate that fear. I for one wouldn't give a damn about drinking water for Adelaide being lifted from Mannum for storage in yet more reservoirs with the remote possibility that that the water I drank passed through Melbourne kidneys at some point a few months ago via Eastern Water, Sugarloaf pipeline, Eildon and the Murray.

Being able to regulate that Murray flow (somewhat) would solve lots of problems for taking water reliably further down-stream at Mildura, Renmark etc. All water on the planet's surface is recycled, isn't it - sending capital city treated water over the Great Dividing Range for recycling through the inland river system - a national water network probably makes too much sense.

ON another note, I'm surprised none of the Trump-haters here haven't tried to turn the sewage (thanks Graham) into capital against Trump. Orange man prompts poo talk on Railpage kinda thing...
don_dunstan
Well he is throwing the proverbial brown stuff out there and hopes that it sticks.

Michael
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Well he is throwing the proverbial brown stuff out there and hopes that it sticks.

Michael
mejhammers1
What a time to have a toilet paper shortage!

More seriously, I wonder whether he knows that there is more to the actual truth and is attempting a diversion? If he was so sure about it originating in Wuhan then getting in line with the other calls for an independent investigation would make more sense than spouting off.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Well he is throwing the proverbial brown stuff out there and hopes that it sticks.

Michael
What a time to have a toilet paper shortage!

More seriously, I wonder whether he knows that there is more to the actual truth and is attempting a diversion? If he was so sure about it originating in Wuhan then getting in line with the other calls for an independent investigation would make more sense than spouting off.
justapassenger
FYI: Modbury Foodland have had a whole lot of pub distributor stuff including 5kg tubs of Kraft mayo etc. AND commercial toilet paper destined for pubs, universities etc. They were $7 each and each one of those has been lasting us a week at a time - they're quite large. although I've noticed in the last few days that Woolies have been getting lots of dunny rolls.

Maybe its the end of the great 2020 bog roll crisis...
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Drakes have taken a different course - they've been opening the 32 roll packs of toilet paper at their distribution centre and repacking them as 4 roll packs.

The Blackwood store (one of their smaller 'proper' supermarkets as opposed to the Mini Drakes convenience stores) had tons of them at 5:45 last night when you would think that they'd be low after a full day's worth of shopping.

None of any kind at Coles or Woolworths, who are preferring to stock stores in the eastern states. They can kiss goodbye any hope of deregulation following this fiasco as the Liberals aren't that desperate to cop a flogging in the next election.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Donald Trump has just signed an executive order temporarily suspending immigration from the U.S.A, probably fair enough as well, as most cases of the Coronavirus are from immigration and travel.
"lsrailfan"


Only about 12 weeks too late...By the end of the week, the US will have double the fatalities of any other country. And with some of those idiot protesters chanting "Liberty or Death!" you may well see them get both, effin' morons...
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Donald Trump has just signed an executive order temporarily suspending immigration from the U.S.A, probably fair enough as well, as most cases of the Coronavirus are from immigration and travel.


Only about 12 weeks too late...By the end of the week, the US will have double the fatalities of any other country. And with some of those idiot protesters chanting "Liberty or Death!" you may well see them get both, effin' morons...
KRviator

It's a meaningless gesture to shore up his failing 'tough guy' image.

The US has had international travel restrictions in place for weeks so any one coming in would have been thoroughly checked and quarantined - that's if Trump has been doing his job.

So blaming immigration/immigrants is just another way of shifting the blame for his own ineptitude in not acting earlier on the crisis.

dd loves to rail at the Chinese for starting it, but fails to acknowledge Trump has done SFA to stop the spread.

Israilfan makes a wild assertion that immigration is responsible for the spread, but I bet can't come up with any numbers to back it up.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Donald Trump has just signed an executive order temporarily suspending immigration from the U.S.A, probably fair enough as well, as most cases of the Coronavirus are from immigration and travel.


Only about 12 weeks too late...By the end of the week, the US will have double the fatalities of any other country. And with some of those idiot protesters chanting "Liberty or Death!" you may well see them get both, effin' morons...
KRviator

It's a meaningless gesture to shore up his failing 'tough guy' image.
"bingley hall"
Completely agree. It appears to me, at least, he's beginning to realise the depth of his screwup and the mounting body count is going to materially affect his reelection chances, so he has to be seen to be doing something. Closing the borders now though, is akin to shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted.

dd loves to rail at the Chinese for starting it, but fails to acknowledge Trump has done SFA to stop the spread.
"bingley hall"
But, but, but, Trump is one of the greatest El Presente's ever. Just ask him, or his supporters! I was told once, many years ago, one of the differences between a leader and a manager is the willingness to admit you were wrong. Even as the POTUS, that still applies and it could still go a long way to repairing his image. Rather than attack the media - or individual reporters who ask him the tough questions - simply saying "I got it wrong, we should have closed the borders earlier, but this is what I'm going to do now to try to counter that mistake....." would help.

When the shyte hits the fan, a country needs a leader, not a politician. NZ had that with Jacinta Ardern - even though the rest of her policies might be distasteful to Kiwi's - she led her country through two of its' most difficult periods in recent memory with dignity.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Israilfan makes a wild assertion that immigration is responsible for the spread, but I bet can't come up with any numbers to back it up.
bingley hall
In so far as everyone came through Immigration to enter the country, that is probably the case. Data suggests it largely came into the US via people coming from Western Europe, which I wouldn't expect to be hot spots for illegal entry.

Unless it really did start at Fort Detrick...
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Trump cops a lot of flak in this article.  Much of it probably justified as the USA becomes a failed state:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/06/underlying-conditions/610261/
  Carnot Minister for Railways


When the shyte hits the fan, a country needs a leader, not a politician. NZ had that with Jacinta Ardern - even though the rest of her policies might be distasteful to Kiwi's - she led her country through two of its' most difficult periods in recent memory with dignity.
KRviator
Jacinda - darling of the Leftist elites and a power-mad one at that who has banned the sale of Harry Potter and JR Tolkien books:
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front

When the shyte hits the fan, a country needs a leader, not a politician. NZ had that with Jacinta Ardern - even though the rest of her policies might be distasteful to Kiwi's - she led her country through two of its' most difficult periods in recent memory with dignity.
KRviator
Jacinda - darling of the Leftist elites and a power-mad one at that who has banned the sale of Harry Potter and JR Tolkien books:
"Carnot"
Talk about taking things out of context - it isn't just the Harry Potter books banned, but all fiction books.

Under some of the world's toughest coronavirus restrictions, all non-essential shopping and online delivery has been forbidden since 26 March. With bookshops closed, only medical and professional books as well as textbooks were allowed to be delivered until last week when further exceptions were made.Source
Under those rules, my solar panels that were delivered last night, my Bundy delivery and even my kids new laptops would also be banned.

And in a country that is striving not to suppress the bug as we are in Australia, but to eradicate it completely, then yes, those measures are reasonable. Distasteful, but still reasonable when viewed in context. As above, she is making the hard decisions, and while they may not be popular, in this case, I would agree with them. When NZ is free of the bug, will those now attacking her policy of "No non-essential delivery" be saying "Well done Jacinda, we're back to normal before anyone else in the world!"? I doubt it....
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville

When the shyte hits the fan, a country needs a leader, not a politician. NZ had that with Jacinta Ardern - even though the rest of her policies might be distasteful to Kiwi's - she led her country through two of its' most difficult periods in recent memory with dignity.Jacinda - darling of the Leftist elites and a power-mad one at that who has banned the sale of Harry Potter and JR Tolkien books:
Carnot
The Daily Mail as an information source - FMD I thought you were smarter than that?

The Mail is working overtime at the moment to distract from the mega screw up Boris has made in his handling of the virus in the UK.

17,500 (at least) dead in the UK, 47,500 dead in the US, and all you're worried about is a few books people in New Zealand can't get there hands on Laughing

Even don wouldn't be that crass Razz
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet

When the shyte hits the fan, a country needs a leader, not a politician. NZ had that with Jacinta Ardern - even though the rest of her policies might be distasteful to Kiwi's - she led her country through two of its' most difficult periods in recent memory with dignity.Jacinda - darling of the Leftist elites and a power-mad one at that who has banned the sale of Harry Potter and JR Tolkien books:
The Daily Mail as an information source - FMD I thought you were smarter than that?

The Mail is working overtime at the moment to distract from the mega screw up Boris has made in his handling of the virus in the UK.

17,500 (at least) dead in the UK, 47,500 dead in the US, and all you're worried about is a few books people in New Zealand can't get there hands on Laughing

Even don wouldn't be that crass Razz
bingley hall
Also of Note was that He wanted to sell off a fair chunk more of the NHS. I wonder who that's working out:?:

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