WimbledonW Junior Train Controller

New standard gauge railways have opened in Ethiopia-Djibouta, Kenya and Tanzania. The E-D line is electrified, while the other two have electrification proposed. All three have double stacked ISO containers.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thank you for the contribution and the update.  Are passenger services planned or running on these lines?
  rogerfarnworth Train Controller

At the end of my series on the Uganda Railway I posted an update  which reached as close as 2018 to the present day. The first Standard-Gauge line was completed then and it was a passenger and freight carrying line

https://rogerfarnworth.wordpress.com/2018/07/03/uganda-railw...

At the end of the post, which is essentially about narrow-gauge railways I highlight developments relating to the new standard-gauge lines which may well dominate the future in Kenya and Uganda.

Very sadly, at least from a heritage perspective, the metre-gauge line and its trains have largely been replaced between Nairobi and Mombasa. No doubt the new trains are infinitely better. But their advent has brought to an end the real sense of adventure that travelling the metre-gauge line from Mombasa to Nairobi evoked!
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Very sadly, at least from a heritage perspective, the metre-gauge line and its trains have largely been replaced between Nairobi and Mombasa. No doubt the new trains are infinitely better. But their advent has brought to an end the real sense of adventure that travelling the metre-gauge line from Mombasa to Nairobi evoked!
rogerfarnworth

Are you confirming NG (MG) operations for passenger trains have ended and these have been replaced with new SG trains?  Is the line between these locations electrified?  Does the SG line for passenger use the NG station in Nariobi?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Very sadly, at least from a heritage perspective, the metre-gauge line and its trains have largely been replaced between Nairobi and Mombasa. No doubt the new trains are infinitely better. But their advent has brought to an end the real sense of adventure that travelling the metre-gauge line from Mombasa to Nairobi evoked!

Are you confirming NG (MG) operations for passenger trains have ended and these have been replaced with new SG trains?  Is the line between these locations electrified?  Does the SG line for passenger use the NG station in Nariobi?
bevans
The Meter Gauge in Nairobi, is still used for suburban services and to link the SG terminal to the old MG station, and the line west of Nairobi is still used and to the north its still all meter gauge. Meter gauge are still in use and are Even being rehabilitated to serve local industries that don't have connections to the SG line!

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001360163/mt-kenya-railway-restoration-on-course
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
SG is not news those lines have been operating for sometime.

Heaps on Youtube,

DD you are right about the retention of the suburban 1m gauge line in Nairobi.

Massive rail improvements on the continent generally, eg Angola and some Western African nations.

Astoningshing the Djibouti - Ethiopia line improvements.

We can't event agree on Medium speed train improvements. Mind you most of those improvements there have China as the bankers.

DD I like your new avatar.
  WimbledonW Junior Train Controller

Parts of the Mombasa-Nairobi  MG line are to be retained to serve old stations not on the new SGR.

Because of the break of gauge, a road replacement may be more sensible in the traffic is limited.

Otherwise if the SG-MG lines are short, they might be converted to SG sidings. Can (steel) sleepers be converted from NG to SG? Do this by cutting in half and welding in a rod, somewhat like sleepers with two concrete pads connected by a similar rod.

It is a pity that the problem of off SGR stations hadn't been thought of in the initial designs. Sad
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Massive rail improvements on the continent generally, eg Angola and some Western African nations.
Angola's were rebuilt to the modern equivalent of how it was before the civil war, still being 3'6. Only West African nation I can think of that has/is getting a new SG line is Nigeria, parallel to the 3'6. The Rest iirc are just linking up the colonial meter gauge networks and upgrading them. A fair bit more cost effective then building a New SG line!
Astoningshing the Djibouti - Ethiopia line improvements.
Agreed, however like Kenya the 1890s Meter gauge is being retained and upgraded in places, largely for the same reasons as in Kenya and that is being financed by the EU as part of their commitment to rehabilitate it.
DD I like your new avatar.
Why Thankyou! I though old Kaiser Wille was getting a bit too elitist and now that the BG meme has died, his use has dissipated.


Otherwise if the SG-MG lines are short, they might be converted to SG sidings. Can (steel) sleepers be converted from NG to SG? Do this by cutting in half and welding in a rod, somewhat like sleepers with two concrete pads connected by a similar rod.
Probably but its unlikely, Ive seen it done the other way though with 3'6 and 5'3 steel sleepers being cutdown! You also must remember that loading gauge is a thing, wider gauges too need wider curves along with a possibly much higher axel load. Its probably cheeper just to keep it meter gauge. IIRC sections of the new SG in Tanzania (financed by the EU and China) are being built on-top of the old British/German Meter gauge line in parts, though with new sleepers. Dar Ess Salaam is going to have a South Australia style gauge issue with 3'6 from the south, SG from the East and MG from the north all converging on the one city...
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Massive rail improvements on the continent generally, eg Angola and some Western African nations.
Angola's were rebuilt to the modern equivalent of how it was before the civil war, still being 3'6. Only West African nation I can think of that has/is getting a new SG line is Nigeria, parallel to the 3'6. The Rest iirc are just linking up the colonial meter gauge networks and upgrading them. A fair bit more cost effective then building a New SG line!
Astoningshing the Djibouti - Ethiopia line improvements.
Agreed, however like Kenya the 1890s Meter gauge is being retained and upgraded in places, largely for the same reasons as in Kenya and that is being financed by the EU as part of their commitment to rehabilitate it.
DD I like your new avatar.
Why Thankyou! I though old Kaiser Wille was getting a bit too elitist and now that the BG meme has died, his use has dissipated.


Otherwise if the SG-MG lines are short, they might be converted to SG sidings. Can (steel) sleepers be converted from NG to SG? Do this by cutting in half and welding in a rod, somewhat like sleepers with two concrete pads connected by a similar rod.
Probably but its unlikely, Ive seen it done the other way though with 3'6 and 5'3 steel sleepers being cutdown! You also must remember that loading gauge is a thing, wider gauges too need wider curves along with a possibly much higher axel load. Its probably cheeper just to keep it meter gauge. IIRC sections of the new SG in Tanzania (financed by the EU and China) are being built on-top of the old British/German Meter gauge line in parts, though with new sleepers. Dar Ess Salaam is going to have a South Australia style gauge issue with 3'6 from the south, SG from the East and MG from the north all converging on the one city...
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Massive rail improvements on the continent generally, eg Angola and some Western African nations.
Angola's were rebuilt to the modern equivalent of how it was before the civil war, still being 3'6. Only West African nation I can think of that has/is getting a new SG line is Nigeria, parallel to the 3'6. The Rest iirc are just linking up the colonial meter gauge networks and upgrading them. A fair bit more cost effective then building a New SG line!
Astoningshing the Djibouti - Ethiopia line improvements.
Agreed, however like Kenya the 1890s Meter gauge is being retained and upgraded in places, largely for the same reasons as in Kenya and that is being financed by the EU as part of their commitment to rehabilitate it.
DD I like your new avatar.
Why Thankyou! I though old Kaiser Wille was getting a bit too elitist and now that the BG meme has died, his use has dissipated.


Otherwise if the SG-MG lines are short, they might be converted to SG sidings. Can (steel) sleepers be converted from NG to SG? Do this by cutting in half and welding in a rod, somewhat like sleepers with two concrete pads connected by a similar rod.
Probably but its unlikely, Ive seen it done the other way though with 3'6 and 5'3 steel sleepers being cutdown! You also must remember that loading gauge is a thing, wider gauges too need wider curves along with a possibly much higher axel load. Its probably cheeper just to keep it meter gauge. IIRC sections of the new SG in Tanzania (financed by the EU and China) are being built on-top of the old British/German Meter gauge line in parts, though with new sleepers. Dar Ess Salaam is going to have a South Australia style gauge issue with 3'6 from the south, SG from the East and MG from the north all converging on the one city...
RTT_Rules
@bevans this is a problem that's been happening a bit. Second time now...
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Probably but its unlikely, Ive seen it done the other way though with 3'6 and 5'3 steel sleepers being cutdown! You also must remember that loading gauge is a thing, wider gauges too need wider curves along with a possibly much higher axel load. Its probably cheaper just to keep it meter gauge. IIRC sections of the new SG in Tanzania (financed by the EU and China) are being built on-top of the old British/German Meter gauge line in parts, though with new sleepers. Dar Ess Salaam is going to have a South Australia style gauge issue with 3'6 from the south, SG from the East and MG from the north all converging on the one city...
Dangersdan707

This is most interesting. The Cape Gauge comes in from the south but no SG from the east?

  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Probably but its unlikely, Ive seen it done the other way though with 3'6 and 5'3 steel sleepers being cutdown! You also must remember that loading gauge is a thing, wider gauges too need wider curves along with a possibly much higher axel load. Its probably cheaper just to keep it meter gauge. IIRC sections of the new SG in Tanzania (financed by the EU and China) are being built on-top of the old British/German Meter gauge line in parts, though with new sleepers. Dar Ess Salaam is going to have a South Australia style gauge issue with 3'6 from the south, SG from the East and MG from the north all converging on the one city...

This is most interesting. The Cape Gauge comes in from the south but no SG from the east?

bevans
Thats because the SG is still being built. Now fix your site please!
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Massive rail improvements on the continent generally, eg Angola and some Western African nations.
Angola's were rebuilt to the modern equivalent of how it was before the civil war, still being 3'6. Only West African nation I can think of that has/is getting a new SG line is Nigeria, parallel to the 3'6. The Rest iirc are just linking up the colonial meter gauge networks and upgrading them. A fair bit more cost effective then building a New SG line!
Astoningshing the Djibouti - Ethiopia line improvements.
Agreed, however like Kenya the 1890s Meter gauge is being retained and upgraded in places, largely for the same reasons as in Kenya and that is being financed by the EU as part of their commitment to rehabilitate it.
DD I like your new avatar.
Why Thankyou! I though old Kaiser Wille was getting a bit too elitist and now that the BG meme has died, his use has dissipated.


Otherwise if the SG-MG lines are short, they might be converted to SG sidings. Can (steel) sleepers be converted from NG to SG? Do this by cutting in half and welding in a rod, somewhat like sleepers with two concrete pads connected by a similar rod.
Probably but its unlikely, Ive seen it done the other way though with 3'6 and 5'3 steel sleepers being cutdown! You also must remember that loading gauge is a thing, wider gauges too need wider curves along with a possibly much higher axel load. Its probably cheeper just to keep it meter gauge. IIRC sections of the new SG in Tanzania (financed by the EU and China) are being built on-top of the old British/German Meter gauge line in parts, though with new sleepers. Dar Ess Salaam is going to have a South Australia style gauge issue with 3'6 from the south, SG from the East and MG from the north all converging on the one city...
RTT_Rules


@bevans,

I did not write any of the above! This is not a post from me.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Massive rail improvements on the continent generally, eg Angola and some Western African nations.
Angola's were rebuilt to the modern equivalent of how it was before the civil war, still being 3'6. Only West African nation I can think of that has/is getting a new SG line is Nigeria, parallel to the 3'6. The Rest iirc are just linking up the colonial meter gauge networks and upgrading them. A fair bit more cost effective then building a New SG line!
Astoningshing the Djibouti - Ethiopia line improvements.
Agreed, however like Kenya the 1890s Meter gauge is being retained and upgraded in places, largely for the same reasons as in Kenya and that is being financed by the EU as part of their commitment to rehabilitate it.
DD I like your new avatar.
Why Thankyou! I though old Kaiser Wille was getting a bit too elitist and now that the BG meme has died, his use has dissipated.


Otherwise if the SG-MG lines are short, they might be converted to SG sidings. Can (steel) sleepers be converted from NG to SG? Do this by cutting in half and welding in a rod, somewhat like sleepers with two concrete pads connected by a similar rod.
Probably but its unlikely, Ive seen it done the other way though with 3'6 and 5'3 steel sleepers being cutdown! You also must remember that loading gauge is a thing, wider gauges too need wider curves along with a possibly much higher axel load. Its probably cheeper just to keep it meter gauge. IIRC sections of the new SG in Tanzania (financed by the EU and China) are being built on-top of the old British/German Meter gauge line in parts, though with new sleepers. Dar Ess Salaam is going to have a South Australia style gauge issue with 3'6 from the south, SG from the East and MG from the north all converging on the one city...


@bevans,

I did not write any of the above! This is not a post from me.
RTT_Rules
Delete it then! Its happened to me a few times now!

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