The corona virus COVID-19

 
  ANR Deputy Commissioner

Anything is possible with this lab creation.

When this thread first started, I was reading how this virus will be well contained and confined behind hospital walls and it will be business as usual for the rest of us. Well it's not. The economy has tanked and almost 7000 people have been infected and almost 100 dead. Very lucky if we do comparisons with Italy, Spain, UK, USA etc.

However we will get a second wave and it will be bigger than the first. It is inevitable as some super spreaders are asymptomatic, and some who have already had the virus could get it a second time and pass it along.

It remains to be seen if our hospitals can cope with the second wave.

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  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
I think we are done here!
Except that you're still hung up.

Took you two days to reply, after the world has moved on, and after you have been active elsewhere on RP.


WTF, more stalking?
RTT_Rules
You are embarrassing yourself now.

I routinely have a look in many other RP forums for a bit of a read, even if I don't routinely contribute. Can't help it if you are there too.

You need to either get treatment for your paranoia, or call the cops.
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Anything is possible with this lab creation.

When this thread first started, I was reading how this virus will be well contained and confined behind hospital walls and it will be business as usual for the rest of us. Well it's not. The economy has tanked and almost 7000 people have been infected and almost 100 dead. Very lucky if we do comparisons with Italy, Spain, UK, USA etc.

However we will get a second wave and it will be bigger than the first. It is inevitable as some super spreaders are asymptomatic, and some who have already had the virus could get it a second time and pass it along.

It remains to be seen if our hospitals can cope with the second wave.
There is NO Reliable evidence that this is a Lab creation .
There IS reliable evidence that this jumped from animals in a Wet market to humans as has happened with related viruses in the past notable MERS and SARS
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
There is NO Reliable evidence that this is a Lab creation .
There IS reliable evidence that this jumped from animals in a Wet market to humans as has happened with related viruses in the past notable MERS and SARS
Crossover
Certainly no one in the US Government pushing this line are willing to reveal such evidence. Genome will help determine its source but most likely it's just nature being pretty good at developing viruses.
http://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-05-09/was-the-coronavirus-made-in-a-wuhan-lab-heres-what-the-genetic-evidence-shows
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
NSW will go into stage 1 of easing of restrictions on Friday, these will probably last for about 4 or 5 weeks to get a good gauge of any new rise in case numbers (there shouldn't be), then stage 2 will come, rinse and repeat, and then the final stage. that's what the ideal should be anyway.
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Did anyone see the protests in Melbourne this weekend about the tight restrictions not being lifted?

If states do not go to stage 1 could we see some social unrest especially down south?  I am getting sick of sitting at home and reading the internet and actually not much rail news around either at the moment making it worse.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Did anyone see the protests in Melbourne this weekend about the tight restrictions not being lifted?

If states do not go to stage 1 could we see some social unrest especially down south?  I am getting sick of sitting at home and reading the internet and actually not much rail news around either at the moment making it worse.
NSWGR8022
Yeah, mostly a bunch of anti-Vaxxers and "We're being fried by 5G radiation" wingnuts wanting Bill Gates arrested for his crimes against humanity (Windows 95 perhaps???).

Dan is making an announcement at 11am today.  Hopefully some relaxation of rules in this State soon.  Otherwise it might not just be the wingnuts who protest...
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Found the online version for your viewing.

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Victoria announces up to 5 people can now come over to your house but restrictions remain in place including working from home until the end of May.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
There's some quite weird battles being fought here in Australia over China and COVID19. AFL legend Mick Malthouse says that it would be a 'mistake' to continue playing AFL matches in China following the 'cover-up' of the COVID19 outbreak (seems reasonable) and then is subjected to an extraordinary attack from Port Adelaide head David Koch. Via Yahoo/Seven;

Power chairman Koch was rankled by the comments, accusing Malthouse of having ‘zero expertise’ in matters relating to business in China and suggesting the three-time premiership winning coach would bring back the White Australia policy if he had his way.

David Koch's employer is Kerry Stokes and this thing is part of a concerted effort to pressure people into shutting-up about China's handling of the virus. Koch is just parroting his employer's line about China, that's all - a millionaire doing a billionaire's bidding.

As with my other post this morning about the former University of Adelaide Vice Chancellor professing his "love" for China, these people have business interests to push (fair enough) but then don't pretend that you have the moral high ground and attack other people as racist because they're unhappy with how China handled the crisis.

It's all about money, isn't it.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
It's all about money, isn't it.
"don_dunstan"
 Exactly.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
mostly a bunch of anti-Vaxxers and "We're being fried by 5G radiation" wingnuts wanting Bill Gates arrested for his crimes against humanity (Windows 95 perhaps???).
Carnot
No! Windows ME, Windows Vista and possibly even Windows 8 are far worse "crimes" than Windows 95 (especially Windows 95C)!Laughing
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

mostly a bunch of anti-Vaxxers and "We're being fried by 5G radiation" wingnuts wanting Bill Gates arrested for his crimes against humanity (Windows 95 perhaps???).
No! Windows ME, Windows Vista and possibly even Windows 8 are far worse "crimes" than Windows 95 (especially Windows 95C)!Laughing
Graham4405
It follows a pretty consistent pattern:

Windows 95: good
Windows 98: bad
Windows 98SE: good
Windows ME: bad
Windows XP : good
Windows Vista: bad
Windows 7: good
Windows 8: bad
Windows 8.1: good
Windows 10: bad, might eventually be fixed enough to call good
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
mostly a bunch of anti-Vaxxers and "We're being fried by 5G radiation" wingnuts wanting Bill Gates arrested for his crimes against humanity (Windows 95 perhaps???).
No! Windows ME, Windows Vista and possibly even Windows 8 are far worse "crimes" than Windows 95 (especially Windows 95C)!Laughing
Graham4405
As deadfull as ME was, I think (according to these complete nutjobs) his crime is

donating $billions to relieve disease and poverty in the 3rd world including VAXing against the world's biggest killers. Shame on him for having some humanity.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
There's some quite weird battles being fought here in Australia over China and COVID19. AFL legend Mick Malthouse says that it would be a 'mistake' to continue playing AFL matches in China following the 'cover-up' of the COVID19 outbreak (seems reasonable) and then is subjected to an extraordinary attack from Port Adelaide head David Koch. Via Yahoo/Seven;

Power chairman Koch was rankled by the comments, accusing Malthouse of having ‘zero expertise’ in matters relating to business in China and suggesting the three-time premiership winning coach would bring back the White Australia policy if he had his way.

David Koch's employer is Kerry Stokes and this thing is part of a concerted effort to pressure people into shutting-up about China's handling of the virus. Koch is just parroting his employer's line about China, that's all - a millionaire doing a billionaire's bidding.

As with my other post this morning about the former University of Adelaide Vice Chancellor professing his "love" for China, these people have business interests to push (fair enough) but then don't pretend that you have the moral high ground and attack other people as racist because they're unhappy with how China handled the crisis.

It's all about money, isn't it.
don_dunstan

In times of crisis I always turn to the AFL for expert opinion on the matter
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

There's some quite weird battles being fought here in Australia over China and COVID19. AFL legend Mick Malthouse says that it would be a 'mistake' to continue playing AFL matches in China following the 'cover-up' of the COVID19 outbreak (seems reasonable) and then is subjected to an extraordinary attack from Port Adelaide head David Koch. Via Yahoo/Seven;

Power chairman Koch was rankled by the comments, accusing Malthouse of having ‘zero expertise’ in matters relating to business in China and suggesting the three-time premiership winning coach would bring back the White Australia policy if he had his way.

David Koch's employer is Kerry Stokes and this thing is part of a concerted effort to pressure people into shutting-up about China's handling of the virus. Koch is just parroting his employer's line about China, that's all - a millionaire doing a billionaire's bidding.

As with my other post this morning about the former University of Adelaide Vice Chancellor professing his "love" for China, these people have business interests to push (fair enough) but then don't pretend that you have the moral high ground and attack other people as racist because they're unhappy with how China handled the crisis.

It's all about money, isn't it.
don_dunstan
David Who? Laughing
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
China will now begin to block Australia meat exports to their country. https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/FMfcgxwHNMXKvXNSFzWtvvvdmXszhSfh
This added to the barley announcements yesterday
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

There's some quite weird battles being fought here in Australia over China and COVID19. AFL legend Mick Malthouse says that it would be a 'mistake' to continue playing AFL matches in China following the 'cover-up' of the COVID19 outbreak (seems reasonable) and then is subjected to an extraordinary attack from Port Adelaide head David Koch. Via Yahoo/Seven;

Power chairman Koch was rankled by the comments, accusing Malthouse of having ‘zero expertise’ in matters relating to business in China and suggesting the three-time premiership winning coach would bring back the White Australia policy if he had his way.

David Koch's employer is Kerry Stokes and this thing is part of a concerted effort to pressure people into shutting-up about China's handling of the virus. Koch is just parroting his employer's line about China, that's all - a millionaire doing a billionaire's bidding.

As with my other post this morning about the former University of Adelaide Vice Chancellor professing his "love" for China, these people have business interests to push (fair enough) but then don't pretend that you have the moral high ground and attack other people as racist because they're unhappy with how China handled the crisis.

It's all about money, isn't it.
don_dunstan
Now do not faint. But I entirely agree with you. David Koch has every right to disagree with Mick Malthouse, and pushing his business interests is one thing, but to assume that

1.  Mick Malthouse knows nothing about The Chinese Government and President Xi and
2.  Accusing Mick Malthouse of wanting to bring back the White Australia policy.

Mick Malthouse was coach of the West Coast Eagles who had many indigenous players for ffs. and was firmly on the side of Adam Goodes when he was targeted and released this statement;

There is a certain group out there who should be ashamed of themselves with Adam Goodes. He was my captain in Ireland and we had a wonderful time over there. Anyone who booed that man should be ashamed... it was a horrid thing.

A slur on a man who together with Kevin Sheedy has promoted the cause indigenous footballers. David Koch ought to be completely ashamed of himself. I am afraid Mr Koch came across as a complete tosser.


Michael
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

here is a report that quotes our experts extensively. as at today we are 149,903  short of their predictions. A pox on  them and their claims. take the timw to look around, go to your local shops  as i did this morning.
3 people making coffee and bacon and egg rolls, no masks, no illness.
2 people in the chicken shop making buckets of gravy for the western suburbs bogans, no mask.
3 people working in the post office
2 people working in the grog shop
3 at the hot bread shop.

went into woolies to get some milk, chatting to the lady there, asked her if she knew of anyone in the workforce who has been infected?

she knows of no one.

and these are the people who want me to download a tracker? like hell.



https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australia-prepares-for-50-000-to-150-000-coronavirus-deaths-20200316-p54amn.html

Up to 150,000 Australians could die from the coronavirus under a worst case scenario, the Morrison government says, as it considers advice on restricting visits to pubs, cinemas and aged care homes.
Deputy Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly said that the number of infections would range between 20 per cent to 60 per cent of the population. He urged the public to comply with social distancing measures such as avoiding large gatherings of 500 or more people.
"This is an infectious disease," Professor Kelly said in Canberra. "The more we can do to separate people and stop the disease spreading, the better. The death rate is around 1 per cent. You can do the maths."
Under the best case scenario of a 20 per cent infection rate, about 50,000 people out of 5 million infected with COVID-19 would die. A moderate scenario of 10 million infections – 40 per cent of the population – would mean 100,000 dead.


In a worst case scenario, 15 million people would get the coronavirus and 150,000 would die.
Professor Kelly said authorities hoped to slow the rise in cases to keep the death rate lower than in other countries.
"Rather than concentrating on numbers, we are focused on preventing a large and rapid rise in cases in the coming weeks and months through thorough and proportionate public health measures," he said.
A six-hour meeting of all Australia's chief medical officers in Canberra on Monday night will also consider whether to reduce the 500-person limit set on Friday for all non-essential mass gatherings for enclosed spaces.
Professor Kelly said federal and state chief health officers would debate whether there should be different restrictions on a "football stadium versus a pub".
“We have been asked to give frank and fearless medical advice from the beginning and that's what we will continue to do," he said.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison and all state and territory leaders are expected to make a decision on the recommendations on Tuesday.
Mr Morrison said the coronavirus was a "one in 100-year event" and slowing the spread of the virus would save lives.
The potential new measures could mean pubs, restaurants and cinemas being either forced to shut or scale down their operations. Popular Sydney pub the Vic on the Park in Marrickville has a capacity of up to 1000. In Melbourne, the Exchange Hotel in the CBD holds more than 900. Hoyts and Event cinemas in Sydney and Melbourne can hold more than 200 people in a session.

The US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention on Monday recommended a stop to mass gatherings of 50 people or more including weddings, parades and concerts for the next two months. Ireland shut down pubs and New York ordered all restaurants to become take-away only.
The Australian government expects the number of local cases to rise to 1000 by the end of the week after a dramatic increase in confirmed cases in NSW, with an additional 37 positive tests bringing the state's tally to 171 on Monday afternoon.
Six of NSW's cases attended a wedding in Stanwell Tops, between Sydney and Wollongong, on March 6. Another 14 people have been diagnosed with coronavirus in Victoria, taking the number of infected people in the state to 71.
The government is not expected to consider nationwide school closures at this stage as health officials weigh up extending the Easter school holidays in three weeks' time.


All options remain on the table if the infection rate escalates sharply. The government is wary of taking healthcare workers out of the workforce to care for their children or potentially infectious children being sent to stay with more vulnerable grandparents.
"That situation may change in the future," Mr Morrison said on Monday. "When it does, that's when we'll act."
Professor Kelly said elderly people, Australians with a disability and those living in remote communities were at increased risk.
"We need to do what we can to limit the opportunity for the infection to come into aged care," he said.
Aged Care Minister Richard Colbeck on Monday announced that providers would be asked to limit visits to residential facilities.


"Given the risks to older Australians from COVID-19, particularly those with chronic disease and other frailties, we now recommend that residential aged care providers restrict visitor access," Senator Colbeck said.
Energy Minister Angus Taylor said the Council of Australian Governments meeting would prioritise preparing the energy system for the spread of the disease.
"Our priority must be to ensure Australia is well-placed to respond to energy supply disruptions, including electricity, gas and liquid fuels," he said.








  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
Mr Koch came across as a complete tosser.l
mejhammers1
You say that like you are surprised by this revelation! Wink
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
here is a report that quotes our experts extensively. as at today we are 149,903  short of their predictions. A pox on  them and their claims.
theanimal
That report is from 2 months ago. IIRC that was before ANY restrictions were put in place. To me this says that the restrictions put in place have proved to be a wise precaution that has worked well in the main. The most important thing has been keeping the health services ahead of the game. As restrictions are gradually eased we may well see an increase in infections and deaths, however we may well have prevented many, many more.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

here is a report that quotes our experts extensively. as at today we are 149,903  short of their predictions. A pox on  them and their claims.
That report is from 2 months ago. IIRC that was before ANY restrictions were put in place. To me this says that the restrictions put in place have proved to be a wise precaution that has worked well in the main. The most important thing has been keeping the health services ahead of the game. As restrictions are gradually eased we may well see an increase in infections and deaths, however we may well have prevented many, many more.
Graham4405
waiting for them to admit their error and issue a new forecast.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Mr Koch came across as a complete tosser.l
You say that like you are surprised by this revelation! Wink
Graham4405
Yeah I know! Must be the early start!!!


Michael
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

here is a report that quotes our experts extensively. as at today we are 149,903  short of their predictions. A pox on  them and their claims.
That report is from 2 months ago. IIRC that was before ANY restrictions were put in place. To me this says that the restrictions put in place have proved to be a wise precaution that has worked well in the main. The most important thing has been keeping the health services ahead of the game. As restrictions are gradually eased we may well see an increase in infections and deaths, however we may well have prevented many, many more.
waiting for them to admit their error and issue a new forecast.
theanimal
The number of deaths so far is still less than the worst case scenario, so they have been proven to be correct.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

here is a report that quotes our experts extensively. as at today we are 149,903  short of their predictions. A pox on  them and their claims.
That report is from 2 months ago. IIRC that was before ANY restrictions were put in place. To me this says that the restrictions put in place have proved to be a wise precaution that has worked well in the main. The most important thing has been keeping the health services ahead of the game. As restrictions are gradually eased we may well see an increase in infections and deaths, however we may well have prevented many, many more.
waiting for them to admit their error and issue a new forecast.
theanimal
Umm,,, not over yet.

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