Social Distancing On Public Transport

 
  AheadMatthewawsome Junior Train Controller

Location: Opening Train Lines
Today, the NSW Government in a 7 News Exclusive have announced the following on public transport.

1. Only 12 people will be allowed on a normal, single decker bus at a time. Usually, that is 69.

2. Only 28 people will be allowed on a normal, Waratah A Set. Usually, that is over 100!

3. The NSW government have discouraged people to go on public transport, especially during peak hour.

4. The NSW government is encouraging offices to have spaced out arrivals and departures. For a example, 1/2 come at 9 am, the other half come at 10 am, etc.

5. The NSW government will add temporary bike lanes, and have temporary car parking in the city.

6. Social distancing measures will be placed around, bus and light rail stops, train and metro stations, and ferry wharfs.

I will add more information as they arrive.

What do you think about these new rules?

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  route14 Chief Commissioner

28 in one set or in one car?
  AheadMatthewawsome Junior Train Controller

Location: Opening Train Lines
One carriage. That means on a 8 car set, that is 224 passengers for one train.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

In other words please still stay at home.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
At least they have provided a benchmark for the operators.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

What if the last bus has a demand of 13+ passengers?
  Ethan1395 Train Controller

Location: An OSCar H Set
Would it be possible to make all T5 Cumberland Line services 8 carriages, do we have enough rolling stock to do this?
It's very had to practice social distancing on a 4 carriage train.

Also, is this going to cause a mass of late arrivals to work because people couldn't get on the train because of the limits?

5. The NSW government will add temporary bike lanes, and have temporary car parking in the city.
AheadMatthewawsome
Uggh, it's going to be a traffic nightmare, encouraging more, myself included, to use public transport.
Shame because I have been enjoying the cheap petrol and empty roads.



In other words please still stay at home.
simstrain
Tell that to the casual worker who has no sick leave, no Fair Work Ombudsman, no JobKeeper Payment,
instead the will get a 6 week wait and requirement to lose all savings to get on JobSeeker, a payment well below the poverty line come September, and a government who desires to punish them with cashless welfare.

If we get a second wave because people won't stay home from work while sick, it will be our own fault. If we want people to stay at home, we need proper protections for workers, ALL workers.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner


In other words please still stay at home.
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If we get a second wave because people won't stay home from work while sick, it will be our own fault. If we want people to stay at home, we need proper protections for workers, ALL workers.
Ethan1395

I find myself in rare total agreement with both @Ethan1395 and @simstrain on this point.  Now, to get this post on topic.  

IMHO public transport - rail in particular - needs to be largely shut down until/unless the community in question has completely eliminated the virus,

No-one can be sure if the proposed social distancing measures on PT will work or not - and without a quality, mandatory phone app that can track (and ultimately accurately quantify) the risk of casual contacts - it's all a guess - and hence almost certainly an incorrect one at that.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

As if on queue (perhaps not coincidentally) in my twitter feed: https://t.co/afDv1JARHB?amp=1
  AheadMatthewawsome Junior Train Controller

Location: Opening Train Lines
What if the last bus has a demand of 13+ passengers?
route14
They just won't be able to get on. Simples. They just have to wait for the next bus. If not, they will have to wait until the next day.
  AheadMatthewawsome Junior Train Controller

Location: Opening Train Lines
I have the video here which this thread is based out of:

https://youtu.be/JlNM1AmGe4Y?t=195

(If you wish not to watch stuff about Donald Duck Trumpet, and people with rocket launchers enjoying "freedom", please go to 3:17, then stop watching at 5:18).
  AheadMatthewawsome Junior Train Controller

Location: Opening Train Lines
Uggh, it's going to be a traffic nightmare, encouraging more, myself included, to use public transport. Shame because I have been enjoying the cheap petrol and empty roads.
Ethan1395

The NSW Government has added the bike lanes and car parks to encourage people out of public transport, the NSW Government says.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
The NSW Government has added the bike lanes and car parks to encourage people out of public transport, the NSW Government says.
AheadMatthewawsome
Who'd have thought.
  Totoro Locomotive Fireman

These proposals seem entirely reasonable IMO. The requirement to have no more than 28 in a standard train carriage may seem pretty steep, but I believe this is the sort of measure required to maintain proper social distancing.

If it encourages a few more people to commute outside the traditional 7-9AM peak, or not at all, then that's a good thing.
  AheadMatthewawsome Junior Train Controller

Location: Opening Train Lines
There has been a update by the NSW government. From today, only 32 people are allowed on a suburban train carriage. 12 people are allowed on a bus. And 42 people are allowed on a ferry. This is not confirmed, as the NSW Government has not said anything about trams, and is only in calculation with 4 square metres of space per passenger. That 14 people will be allowed to sit on the L2 and L3 tram, and 12 standing. And only 7 can sit on a L1 tram, with only 6 standing. This is starting from today, Monday, May 18th 2020.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

There has been a update by the NSW government. From today, only 32 people are allowed on a suburban train carriage. 12 people are allowed on a bus. And 42 people are allowed on a ferry. This is not confirmed, as the NSW Government has not said anything about trams, and is only in calculation with 4 square metres of space per passenger. That 14 people will be allowed to sit on the L2 and L3 tram, and 12 standing. And only 7 can sit on a L1 tram, with only 6 standing. This is starting from today, Monday, May 18th 2020.
AheadMatthewawsome

For a train, this is 1 Pax for 2.8m^2.  Not quite the 4m^2 rule.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Will tram drivers have to open the cab door to get people off the tram if the limits are exceeded?  In doing so they are exposed to higher risk.
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Will tram drivers have to open the cab door to get people off the tram if the limits are exceeded?  In doing so they are exposed to higher risk.
route14

Unlikely to be a problem in Sydney with little use because the minister has told everyone not to use public transport.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Will tram drivers have to open the cab door to get people off the tram if the limits are exceeded?  In doing so they are exposed to higher risk.
route14
Do these trams not have a PA system allowing the driver to make an announcement, or play a prerecorded announcement?
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Although most Australians board public transport carriages in an orderly manner, I witnessed an increasing number of passengers boarding before passengers alight during my visit last year, including one person who looked like an employee in high vis vest.  If such things happen, it would be hard to determine who WOULD be the last to board.  If it was just a PA announcement, the more likely result will be no one will elect to alight and the tram held at stops.
  scadam Station Master

Hi everyone. I've been a reader of the Railpage forums for a few years now but only just made an account.

I have some relevant information about physical distancing measures on Sydney buses. Below are some excerpts from an information sheet that has been given to State Transit bus operators.

HOW MANY CUSTOMERS SHOULD BE ON YOUR BUS?
  • Rigid buses - approx. 12 customers per bus at any one time
  • Articulated buses - approx. 16 customers per bus at any one time
  • B-Line buses - approx. 25 customers per bus at any one time

WHAT IS EXPECTED OF BUS OPERATORS?
  • Bus operators must not enforce physical distancing
  • Bus operators must not leave any school student at bus stops. There are currently no physical distancing restrictions on dedicated school services.
  • Bus operators must continue to stop as normal along their route

WHAT SHOULD I DO IF MY BUS EXCEEDS THE NEW PHYSICAL DISTANCING GUIDELINES?
  • Physical distancing may not always be practical, especially in peak periods.
  • Report any concerns to your supervisor regarding physical distancing when you return to the depot and make a note of the details on your journal.
  • You should advise customers when you have reached capacity under the new physical distancing guidelines but do not refuse them travel.
  • Be on the look out and stop for our vulnerable customers and those with accessibility issues who may be waiting for a bus service.
  • Under no circumstances should any school student be left behind.

The numbers stated above will vary slightly depending on each bus and its seating configuration. Drivers have been advised not to directly enforce these numbers, but to tell passengers when the bus is "full" by these new standards. In the real world, what we'll get is some drivers that enforce it and some who don't.

Physical distancing on anything other than a bus or ferry (i.e. trains, metro and trams) is practically impossible to enforce. Even if the police went onto a crowded train carriage, how could they give out fines if they can't tell who was there first?
  stooge spark Chief Train Controller

Location: My House
I don't see how the limit could be enforceable on trains, what have them having lots of way to get onto it and all.

Then again, I'm a disgusting Victorian so what do I know.
  Transtopic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney
It's totally unrealistic and I can't see how it can be enforced, especially on trains.  You can imagine the frustration for commuters on inner city stations and at bus stops who just can't get on a train or bus because they are already up to their limit.  Not everyone has the option of driving, cycling or walking.  It's a total waste of time in introducing these limited restrictions and they might as well leave things as they are until all restrictions are relaxed.
  7334 Chief Commissioner

Location: In the workshop wondering why I started 7334 in the first place
Hi everyone. I've been a reader of the Railpage forums for a few years now but only just made an account.

I have some relevant information about physical distancing measures on Sydney buses. Below are some excerpts from an information sheet that has been given to State Transit bus operators.

HOW MANY CUSTOMERS SHOULD BE ON YOUR BUS?
  • Rigid buses - approx. 12 customers per bus at any one time
  • Articulated buses - approx. 16 customers per bus at any one time
  • B-Line buses - approx. 25 customers per bus at any one time

WHAT IS EXPECTED OF BUS OPERATORS?
  • Bus operators must not enforce physical distancing
  • Bus operators must not leave any school student at bus stops. There are currently no physical distancing restrictions on dedicated school services.
  • Bus operators must continue to stop as normal along their route

WHAT SHOULD I DO IF MY BUS EXCEEDS THE NEW PHYSICAL DISTANCING GUIDELINES?
  • Physical distancing may not always be practical, especially in peak periods.
  • Report any concerns to your supervisor regarding physical distancing when you return to the depot and make a note of the details on your journal.
  • You should advise customers when you have reached capacity under the new physical distancing guidelines but do not refuse them travel.
  • Be on the look out and stop for our vulnerable customers and those with accessibility issues who may be waiting for a bus service.
  • Under no circumstances should any school student be left behind.

The numbers stated above will vary slightly depending on each bus and its seating configuration. Drivers have been advised not to directly enforce these numbers, but to tell passengers when the bus is "full" by these new standards. In the real world, what we'll get is some drivers that enforce it and some who don't.

Physical distancing on anything other than a bus or ferry (i.e. trains, metro and trams) is practically impossible to enforce. Even if the police went onto a crowded train carriage, how could they give out fines if they can't tell who was there first?
scadam
This reads like the type of rubbish dreamed up by some clown in a ministerial office.  

The type who has no idea of what happens out in the real world but thinks they know everything.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

So we have a policy from our leaders that they admit they cannot and will not enforce.

Do we feel safer?

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