NSW opts for post COVID19 rail upgrades

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
550 jobs will be created for engineers, rail construction workers, security guards, truck drivers, electricians, plumbers, labourers, concrete workers and apprentices as the state government improves the rail network south of Sydney

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  WimbledonW Locomotive Driver

By Southern do you mean Main South, which is double track, OR Illawarra, which is single track beyond Unanderra? Or Both?

On South improve speeds of crossovers, which are mainly "X25". IIRC, Glenfield Xovers are about "X80" ?

Similarly extend loops at Dapto, etc, with X80 turnouts. Create some "Passing Lanes" if not some duplication.

Berry no longer has a crossing loop; it required a set-back morve. Restore the  loop. Create loop at Gerringong?

Extend from Bomaderry to Nowra Town.

At Unanderra, one extra crossover is required is needed to make simultaneous moves from DM to P2 and  UM to P1. Alternately, build an extra Platform P0 on the UM. Note that extra platform and lift are quicker and easier to build than that extra crossover and resignalling.
  Transtopic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney
By Southern do you mean Main South, which is double track, OR Illawarra, which is single track beyond Unanderra? Or Both?

On South improve speeds of crossovers, which are mainly "X25". IIRC, Glenfield Xovers are about "X80" ?

Similarly extend loops at Dapto, etc, with X80 turnouts. Create some "Passing Lanes" if not some duplication.

Berry no longer has a crossing loop; it required a set-back morve. Restore the  loop. Create loop at Gerringong?

Extend from Bomaderry to Nowra Town.

At Unanderra, one extra crossover is required is needed to make simultaneous moves from DM to P2 and  UM to P1. Alternately, build an extra Platform P0 on the UM. Note that extra platform and lift are quicker and easier to build than that extra crossover and resignalling.
WimbledonW
Wasn't there previously some suggestion that the original bridge across the Shoalhaven could be used to extend the rail line from Bomaderry into the Nowra Town Centre and beyond once the new duplicate road bridge is built?  I seem to recall that it was originally intended as a rail crossing.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Here are the details guys https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/contracts-announced-for-more-trains-more-services-infrastructure-upgrades


“The work will support the introduction of new suburban and intercity trains and allow us to deliver more frequent train services, with less wait times and a more comfortable journey for customers on the T4 Illawarra, T8 Airport and South Coast lines,” he said.

“We’re prioritising these lines because they are among the busiest on the network, catering for 440,000 trips in a typical day, which is around one third of daily rail customers.”

Source: Transport Minister NSW
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  a6et Minister for Railways

By Southern do you mean Main South, which is double track, OR Illawarra, which is single track beyond Unanderra? Or Both?

On South improve speeds of crossovers, which are mainly "X25". IIRC, Glenfield Xovers are about "X80" ?

Similarly extend loops at Dapto, etc, with X80 turnouts. Create some "Passing Lanes" if not some duplication.

Berry no longer has a crossing loop; it required a set-back morve. Restore the  loop. Create loop at Gerringong?

Extend from Bomaderry to Nowra Town.

At Unanderra, one extra crossover is required is needed to make simultaneous moves from DM to P2 and  UM to P1. Alternately, build an extra Platform P0 on the UM. Note that extra platform and lift are quicker and easier to build than that extra crossover and resignalling.
Wasn't there previously some suggestion that the original bridge across the Shoalhaven could be used to extend the rail line from Bomaderry into the Nowra Town Centre and beyond once the new duplicate road bridge is built?  I seem to recall that it was originally intended as a rail crossing.
Transtopic
From what I read, many years back is that a new bridge crossing of the Shoalhaven river for rail was not feasible on several grounds, including the aspect of just terminating in the Nowra Town Centre was not financially viable.

There was also the prospect of the line IF the new bridge was built for the Rail line to continue down to Eden (eventually) to open the South Coast up.

The big reason as to why the bridge was not built was the embankments on the South Side of the river, there was a trestle bridge built over the Shoalhaven Heads road that was an extension of the main line but was buffer stopped short of the road. Not sure when it was pulled down but was still there in my time at Pt Kembla, up to 1983.  The problems that were found with the building of the bridge was the small island was very unstable and flooded regularly, and geologist testings found that to get to solid ground under the basic sand was too deep, but also the prospect of bridge movement and its overall length to the Southern Side of the main river would present bigger movement problems as found with the old Singleton Hunter River rail bridge crossing.
  Transtopic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney
By Southern do you mean Main South, which is double track, OR Illawarra, which is single track beyond Unanderra? Or Both?

On South improve speeds of crossovers, which are mainly "X25". IIRC, Glenfield Xovers are about "X80" ?

Similarly extend loops at Dapto, etc, with X80 turnouts. Create some "Passing Lanes" if not some duplication.

Berry no longer has a crossing loop; it required a set-back morve. Restore the  loop. Create loop at Gerringong?

Extend from Bomaderry to Nowra Town.

At Unanderra, one extra crossover is required is needed to make simultaneous moves from DM to P2 and  UM to P1. Alternately, build an extra Platform P0 on the UM. Note that extra platform and lift are quicker and easier to build than that extra crossover and resignalling.
Wasn't there previously some suggestion that the original bridge across the Shoalhaven could be used to extend the rail line from Bomaderry into the Nowra Town Centre and beyond once the new duplicate road bridge is built?  I seem to recall that it was originally intended as a rail crossing.
From what I read, many years back is that a new bridge crossing of the Shoalhaven river for rail was not feasible on several grounds, including the aspect of just terminating in the Nowra Town Centre was not financially viable.

There was also the prospect of the line IF the new bridge was built for the Rail line to continue down to Eden (eventually) to open the South Coast up.

The big reason as to why the bridge was not built was the embankments on the South Side of the river, there was a trestle bridge built over the Shoalhaven Heads road that was an extension of the main line but was buffer stopped short of the road. Not sure when it was pulled down but was still there in my time at Pt Kembla, up to 1983.  The problems that were found with the building of the bridge was the small island was very unstable and flooded regularly, and geologist testings found that to get to solid ground under the basic sand was too deep, but also the prospect of bridge movement and its overall length to the Southern Side of the main river would present bigger movement problems as found with the old Singleton Hunter River rail bridge crossing.
a6et
Just to correct you on a couple of matters, the Nowra Bridge was actually built as a rail bridge for the South Coast Line to be extended ultimately to Eden.  It was completed in 1880, well before the extension of the South Coast Line from Bombo (then North Kiama) to Bomaderry which was completed in 1893.  I don't know where you got the idea from that it wasn't built for the reasons you stated, because it obviously was built for its intended purpose before the railway reached Bomaderry.

However, extension of the line further south stalled and it was decided to make Bomaderry the terminus, although I can't see why it wasn't extended to Nowra as the bridge was already there.  I can't find any reference to when it was decided to convert it to a road bridge, but that possibly may have been before the railway reached Bomaderry, by which time the road crossing would have already been in use.

As recently as 20 years ago, the then Christie Report had proposed extension of the South Coast Line to Vincentia on Jervis Bay, but it was never adopted by the Labor Government at the time.

The proposed new road bridge immediately to the west of the existing bridges will be for northbound traffic and the existing newer northbound bridge will be converted for southbound traffic.  The original steel truss bridge will be retained and re-adapted for other uses.  I understand that there is still community pressure to use it to extend the rail line across the river, but whether it will come to pass remains to be seen.  In its Submissions Report, TfNSW had responded that there were no immediate plans to extend the rail line further south.
  apw5910 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Nowadays it looks too light for a railway bridge. And the alignment for the existing railway is terrible.
  a6et Minister for Railways

By Southern do you mean Main South, which is double track, OR Illawarra, which is single track beyond Unanderra? Or Both?

On South improve speeds of crossovers, which are mainly "X25". IIRC, Glenfield Xovers are about "X80" ?

Similarly extend loops at Dapto, etc, with X80 turnouts. Create some "Passing Lanes" if not some duplication.

Berry no longer has a crossing loop; it required a set-back morve. Restore the  loop. Create loop at Gerringong?

Extend from Bomaderry to Nowra Town.

At Unanderra, one extra crossover is required is needed to make simultaneous moves from DM to P2 and  UM to P1. Alternately, build an extra Platform P0 on the UM. Note that extra platform and lift are quicker and easier to build than that extra crossover and resignalling.
Wasn't there previously some suggestion that the original bridge across the Shoalhaven could be used to extend the rail line from Bomaderry into the Nowra Town Centre and beyond once the new duplicate road bridge is built?  I seem to recall that it was originally intended as a rail crossing.
From what I read, many years back is that a new bridge crossing of the Shoalhaven river for rail was not feasible on several grounds, including the aspect of just terminating in the Nowra Town Centre was not financially viable.

There was also the prospect of the line IF the new bridge was built for the Rail line to continue down to Eden (eventually) to open the South Coast up.

The big reason as to why the bridge was not built was the embankments on the South Side of the river, there was a trestle bridge built over the Shoalhaven Heads road that was an extension of the main line but was buffer stopped short of the road. Not sure when it was pulled down but was still there in my time at Pt Kembla, up to 1983.  The problems that were found with the building of the bridge was the small island was very unstable and flooded regularly, and geologist testings found that to get to solid ground under the basic sand was too deep, but also the prospect of bridge movement and its overall length to the Southern Side of the main river would present bigger movement problems as found with the old Singleton Hunter River rail bridge crossing.
Just to correct you on a couple of matters, the Nowra Bridge was actually built as a rail bridge for the South Coast Line to be extended ultimately to Eden.  It was completed in 1880, well before the extension of the South Coast Line from Bombo (then North Kiama) to Bomaderry which was completed in 1893.  I don't know where you got the idea from that it wasn't built for the reasons you stated, because it obviously was built for its intended purpose before the railway reached Bomaderry.

However, extension of the line further south stalled and it was decided to make Bomaderry the terminus, although I can't see why it wasn't extended to Nowra as the bridge was already there.  I can't find any reference to when it was decided to convert it to a road bridge, but that possibly may have been before the railway reached Bomaderry, by which time the road crossing would have already been in use.

As recently as 20 years ago, the then Christie Report had proposed extension of the South Coast Line to Vincentia on Jervis Bay, but it was never adopted by the Labor Government at the time.

The proposed new road bridge immediately to the west of the existing bridges will be for northbound traffic and the existing newer northbound bridge will be converted for southbound traffic.  The original steel truss bridge will be retained and re-adapted for other uses.  I understand that there is still community pressure to use it to extend the rail line across the river, but whether it will come to pass remains to be seen.  In its Submissions Report, TfNSW had responded that there were no immediate plans to extend the rail line further south.
Transtopic
I'm not sure that I have said in the post anything in regard to the road bridge and its original purpose of being for the railway line.

The point of my post was in regard to the extended trestle from Bomaderry towards the Shoalhaven River, which is now no longer there.  I stand by the reasons for the no continuation of the line past Bomaderry as well.

I do remember the idea of a line to Vincentia, and more than likely with more modern bridge building abilities such a bridge could be built, but certainly with the widespread grown of Nowra there would be quite some difficulty in finding a suitable ROW, but how far down the SC would the line be looked at going? While some locations down there have experienced good growth, I doubt very much that any would have been enough to warrant such a line, even to Vincentia.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I'm not sure that I have said in the post anything in regard to the road bridge and its original purpose of being for the railway line.
a6et
It was in the replay quoted within your post.

Most forums banned nested quotes years ago to avoid this sort of confusion.
  a6et Minister for Railways

I'm not sure that I have said in the post anything in regard to the road bridge and its original purpose of being for the railway line.
It was in the replay quoted within your post.

Most forums banned nested quotes years ago to avoid this sort of confusion.
justapassenger
I personally made no mention in my reply to the person who had mentioned the road bridge, I didn't..
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I'm not sure that I have said in the post anything in regard to the road bridge and its original purpose of being for the railway line.
It was in the replay quoted within your post.

Most forums banned nested quotes years ago to avoid this sort of confusion.
I personally made no mention in my reply to the person who had mentioned the road bridge, I didn't..
a6et
Correct. But it was in the nested quote within your post.
  a6et Minister for Railways

I'm not sure that I have said in the post anything in regard to the road bridge and its original purpose of being for the railway line.
It was in the replay quoted within your post.

Most forums banned nested quotes years ago to avoid this sort of confusion.
I personally made no mention in my reply to the person who had mentioned the road bridge, I didn't..
Correct. But it was in the nested quote within your post.
justapassenger
Problem is that I have made replies in the past using the quick reply new box, also tried to cut out strings of posts in the so called Nests, only to find the reply does not get through. Same thing when I am shown as a subscriber to a thread, for some reason, I no longer get an a reply notifications anymore even though I ensure I tick the box.

The so called nesting can be a pain but in the same token it can be beneficial as you have easier access to what has been said by other posters and yourself.

If the concept of Nested posts has been banned years ago through the confusion, why is it allowed here? Besides, here we already have 5 nested posts, that seem to blame me for something said by others.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

If the concept of Nested posts has been banned years ago through the confusion, why is it allowed here? Besides, here we already have 5 nested posts, that seem to blame me for something said by others.
a6et
Because the operator of this forum hasn't been keeping track of how other forums are doing things these days?

The multi-quote buttons in XenForo (just one example) make for a far better result. I might make a suggestion in a more appropriate location than this thread.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
How feasible would it be to increase clearances between Kiama and Bombaderry to allow double decker trains to run through?

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