The corona virus COVID-19

 
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Today Thursday 21/05 SafeWork NSW has lifted this requirement, be very interested in seeing the science behind this decision.
"theanimal"
I doubt if you'd understand it.

Looks like the tail wagging the dog.
"theanimal"
See what I mean? You've made your mind up already.

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  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
I do agree that they should be reopening up the borders now, that the COVID-19 cases are very low, they were right to close them when the case numbers were extremely high, but give us a break!, it's time to get the show on the road now, IF another spike comes, and that's a big if as you can see, then judge it according to the numbers...
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I would support cautious reopening of borders between WA/SA/NT/Qld, but the retransmission rate in NSW and Victoria needs to come down below 1.0 before their residents should be permitted entry to other states.

Tasmania has been out of the news for a while now so I don't know how they are going at the moment.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
On Wednesday 20/05 in Sydney it was all " there will be massive crowds and queues at lifts in high rise office blocks as we comply with the 4 square metre requirement.

Today Thursday 21/05 SafeWork NSW has lifted this requirement, be very interested in seeing the science behind this decision.

Looks like the tail wagging the dog.
theanimal
There's a massive difference between people facing each other 1.5m apart coughing and sneezing all over each other, and being 0.5m apart in a lift all facing the same direction and containing your bodily explosions.

Couldn't you work that out???
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

Today Thursday 21/05 SafeWork NSW has lifted this requirement, be very interested in seeing the science behind this decision.
I doubt if you'd understand it.

Looks like the tail wagging the dog.
See what I mean? You've made your mind up already.
Valvegear
you are right i have, the more i see the more i think that there is no plan, no cohesion, people who think that the lockdoen is all that they need are deluded. As I have said repeatedly, there are multiple breaches that are not identified, but concurrently do not seem to lead to an increase in infections.

Here in NSW we locked down the Nursing Home near Penrith (where i live) which effectively sentenced the elderly to death.

Yet 2 days ago when a Private School in Sydney had a student est positive, did we lock the school down? no - well why?

there is no consistency in the application of the lockdowns. Coffee shops etc have not (until a few days ago) been allowed to have people seated, and even now it is no more than 10.

Go to Bunnings, it is like a flea market? why is there no consistency?
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Today Thursday 21/05 SafeWork NSW has lifted this requirement, be very interested in seeing the science behind this decision.
I doubt if you'd understand it.

Looks like the tail wagging the dog.
See what I mean? You've made your mind up already.
you are right i have, the more i see the more i think that there is no plan, no cohesion, people who think that the lockdoen is all that they need are deluded. As I have said repeatedly, there are multiple breaches that are not identified, but concurrently do not seem to lead to an increase in infections.

Here in NSW we locked down the Nursing Home near Penrith (where i live) which effectively sentenced the elderly to death.

Yet 2 days ago when a Private School in Sydney had a student est positive, did we lock the school down? no - well why?

there is no consistency in the application of the lockdowns. Coffee shops etc have not (until a few days ago) been allowed to have people seated, and even now it is no more than 10.

Go to Bunnings, it is like a flea market? why is there no consistency?
theanimal
I hate to disagree here, but if you are referring to the college at Riverview, they did indeed lock it down, unless you are referring to another school I am happy to be corrected.

Oh by the way, just to let everyone here know how infectious this bug really is, today I heard on the Ben Fordam program, a choir was rehearsing in Washington, there was about 60 in the choir at the time, a person turned up feeling slightly unwell, and they infected about 52 of their fellow members within about 2 weeks, so all countries are right to be cautious. - https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-man-gives-52-people-virus-in-25-hours-at-choir-practice/news-story/9c9db88c2ca2129cb0ad60177b11856c
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

I hate to disagree here, but if you are referring to the college at Riverview, they did indeed lock it down, unless you are referring to another school I am happy to be corrected.
lsrailfan
that is not correct, here is an article:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/st-ignatius-college-riverview-shut-after-student-tests-positive-for-covid-19-20200520-p54us3.html
Sydney private school St Ignatius' College Riverview has temporarily closed after a student tested positive for coronavirus.
Staff and students were notified that the school was to be closed midway through lessons on Wednesday, and transport would be arranged immediately to remove day students from the grounds.

Boarding students have been instructed to return to their boarding houses.
To date there have been 7079 confirmed COVID-19 cases in Australia. The death toll stands at 100. Four new cases were announced in NSW on Wednesday, taking the state total to 3081. All four were overseas arrivals who were staying in hotel quarantine.
n an email on Wednesday, principal Paul Hine said NSW Health had informed the school that a student had tested positive for COVID-19.
"The school will be non-operational to the on-site attendance of staff and students while the school conducts contact tracing and is cleaned," Dr Hine said.
On its Facebook page, the college said the closure was not expected to last more than 24 hours.


"Staff and students who are identified as close contacts will be contacted and advised they should self-isolate for the required period of time.
"The safety and wellbeing of staff and students is our key priority at all times, as such we will continue to work closely with NSW Health to ensure that all necessary heath advice is adhered to."

I think the fact that the day students were removed from the grounds and told to self isolate is very different to the approach at the Nursing home?







  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
you are right i have, the more i see the more i think that there is no plan, no cohesion, people who think that the lockdoen is all that they need are deluded. As I have said repeatedly, there are multiple breaches that are not identified, but concurrently do not seem to lead to an increase in infections.
theanimal
You may believe that there have been multiple breaches but where in live, in inner Melbourne, people have adapted to the lockdown and social distancing rules extremely well. I presume that you have accurate figures about  not "seeming to lead to an increase in infection". No; you don't. Nor do you have any scientifically based idea what might have happened without lockdowns.

Here in NSW we locked down the Nursing Home near Penrith (where i live) which effectively sentenced the elderly to death.
theanimal
What a strange statement. Do you believe that if the nursing home had not been locked down, all the elderly would have enjoyed a longer life? On what basis would anyone believe this?

With all of your remarks, you have overlooked one thing. I am in my 80th year; I have lived in Melbourne for all of that time, and I have never experienced a pandemic of these proportions. Any scientist of comparable age, or younger, has never experienced one either. Certainly, mistakes have been made, but when you consider the infection and death rates in Australia, the whole thing has been well handled. If people break the rules, which some have, authorities can't be blamed, nor do we know what would have happened without these breaches.

Unfortunately; you are coming from a position of your own gut feeling. You rely on science every day of your life and without it you'd be living in a mud hut,  yet, when it comes to an extraordinary event like this one, you are happy to disown science because of some perceived ideas and faulty conclusions of your own.
  georges Train Controller

An intelligent layperson's guide to why Covid 19 is so tricky.
https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/21/coronavirus-hijacks-cells-in-unique-ways/
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner



So are you criticising people for following or not following the ‘expert’s’ advice? You seem to be trying to have a bet each way.I am saying that the experts have been shown to be making it up as they go, ny all means be alert but we still have to run the country.

Where are the 1500 deaths that were the experts original claim?

Yes you can say it is because of the closedown, but as I have pointed out there are constant breaches which do not seem to be matched by infections.
theanimal
As the death toll today, totals 101 lives, I personally am glad the experts were at this stage, incorrect with their projection of 1500. Would another 1398 people disagree?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
you are right i have, the more i see the more i think that there is no plan, no cohesion, people who think that the lockdoen is all that they need are deluded. As I have said repeatedly, there are multiple breaches that are not identified, but concurrently do not seem to lead to an increase in infections.

Here in NSW we locked down the Nursing Home near Penrith (where i live) which effectively sentenced the elderly to death.

Yet 2 days ago when a Private School in Sydney had a student est positive, did we lock the school down? no - well why?

there is no consistency in the application of the lockdowns. Coffee shops etc have not (until a few days ago) been allowed to have people seated, and even now it is no more than 10.

Go to Bunnings, it is like a flea market? why is there no consistency?
theanimal

If you are seriously concerned, I hear Brazil is nice at this time of year.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Brazil is nice? Nah, he doesn’t understand social distancing and the lockdown; the US would be a nicer visit.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Brazil is nice? Nah, he doesn’t understand social distancing and the lockdown; the US would be a nicer visit.
Aaron
Perhaps Russia's springtime weather could be enticing?
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
There has been an absolutely massive blunder this afternoon by the ATO, revising the Jobkeeper figures from 6.5 million, to 3.5 million - https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/treasurer-admits-massive-reporting-error-for-jobkeeper-program/news-story/61fbca48ac5cf7de638941c83e938504
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The financial story is exceptional reading. The estimate was over by $60 billion.  This, of course, is from the mob which reckons that only they can manage the country's finances.

Now; move fast, Josh.
Tell us it's all the fault of:-
Malcolm Turnbull.
Bill Shorten.
Tony Abbott.
Terrorists.
John Howard.
Paul Keating.
The Tooth Fairy.
Mao Tse Tung.
Winston Churchill.
Old Uncle Tom Cobley.
(Tick any number you like)
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
The financial story is exceptional reading. The estimate was over by $60 billion.  This, of course, is from the mob which reckons that only they can manage the country's finances.

Now; move fast, Josh.
Tell us it's all the fault of:-
Malcolm Turnbull.
Bill Shorten.
Tony Abbott.
Terrorists.
John Howard.
Paul Keating.
The Tooth Fairy.
Mao Tse Tung.
Winston Churchill.
Old Uncle Tom Cobley.
(Tick any number you like)
Valvegear
To quote Anthony Albanese "this mob can't even run a bath", although to be fair, could/would they do any better??
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
The financial story is exceptional reading. The estimate was over by $60 billion.  This, of course, is from the mob which reckons that only they can manage the country's finances.

Now; move fast, Josh.
Tell us it's all the fault of:-
Malcolm Turnbull.
Bill Shorten.
Tony Abbott.
Terrorists.
John Howard.
Paul Keating.
The Tooth Fairy.
Mao Tse Tung.
Winston Churchill.
Old Uncle Tom Cobley.
(Tick any number you like)
To quote Anthony Albanese "this mob can't even run a bath", although to be fair, could/would they do any better??
lsrailfan
Same could be said about Michael O'Brien, Victoria's opposition leader. In my opinion the biggest whinger going around. To my knowledge, he has come up with exactly zero alternative policies despite implying that Victoria is in ruins.

Could Albo/federal Labor have done any better? Obviously an impossible question to answer, hence your comfort in asking it. They certainly would have done some things differently, i.e. broadened the Job Keeper to casuals and possibly lengthening it for certain sectors going forward. At the end of the day the coalition have adopted Keynesian economics to see us through, and in the process, have reduced inequality. This is normally a trait of the Left, so I will re-pose the question: Could/would the federal opposition have been any worse? In my opinion, no.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
This is why the U.S.A is fairing so bad in this COVID-19 crisis, in part because it's such a big country, in another much more major part, because you have a foolish leader that comes out and makes these sweeping statements against the scientist's and professor's, and this orange haired goon claims he knows more about COVID-19 than they do- https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/trump-lashes-out-at-scientists-whose-findings-contradict-him/ar-BB14r1L8?ocid=spartanntp
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Same could be said about Michael O'Brien, Victoria's opposition leader. In my opinion the biggest whinger going around. To my knowledge, he has come up with exactly zero alternative policies despite implying that Victoria is in ruins.
"DirtyBallast"
Quite correct. O'Brien is also aided greatly by the member for Kew, Tim Smith, who has the biggest mouth since Jeff Kennett. The big difference is that Kennett at least had policies, and he won with them.
One could be forgiven for believing that O'Brien and Smith are Agents Provocateur planted by the ALP; they're certainly giving Andrews unlimited free kicks in front of goal.
  neillfarmer Chief Train Controller

There has been an absolutely massive blunder this afternoon by the ATO, revising the Jobkeeper figures from 6.5 million, to 3.5 million - https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/treasurer-admits-massive-reporting-error-for-jobkeeper-program/news-story/61fbca48ac5cf7de638941c83e938504
lsrailfan
The ATO did not make the massive error. They discovered some 500 or so businesses made an error. Considering there were over 900,000 applications this works out at about 1 in a thousand or 0.1%. If 99.9% of businesses got it right I don't think the beat-up is justified.
No money has been lost, the error was found when checking the applications.
I would have thought that the taxpayers of Australia would welcome that $70 million can be wiped off the amount borrowed to cover the cost of this virus.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
There has been an absolutely massive blunder this afternoon by the ATO, revising the Jobkeeper figures from 6.5 million, to 3.5 million - https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/treasurer-admits-massive-reporting-error-for-jobkeeper-program/news-story/61fbca48ac5cf7de638941c83e938504
The ATO did not make the massive error. They discovered some 500 or so businesses made an error. Considering there were over 900,000 applications this works out at about 1 in a thousand or 0.1%. If 99.9% of businesses got it right I don't think the beat-up is justified.
No money has been lost, the error was found when checking the applications.
I would have thought that the taxpayers of Australia would welcome that $70 million can be wiped off the amount borrowed to cover the cost of this virus.
neillfarmer
Billion not million.

Still concerns me that if only 3 million people were covered by Job-Keeper then the numbers going onto the 'super-dole' were much larger than predicted. There's going to be a lot of people in for a massive shock in a few months when they're told they have to live on $265 p/w instead of the $530 p/w that they've become used to.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Also witness the Greens and the ALP acting like the $70,000,000,000 is somehow 'free money' that can be spent on massive support packages for international students, universities, useless renewable power projects etc.

Sarah Hanson-Young in particular seems to not have any concept of the value of money and the fact that spending less is actually a good idea - but then what else is new.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Also witness the Greens and the ALP acting like the $70,000,000,000 is somehow 'free money' that can be spent on massive support packages for international students, universities, useless renewable power projects etc.

Sarah Hanson-Young in particular seems to not have any concept of the value of money and the fact that spending less is actually a good idea - but then what else is new.
don_dunstan
Yeah, she seems to have learnt about $ from the Robert Mugabe School of Economics.

Anyway, as for the Vic Liberal Party they rightfully are having a go at Chairman Dan's submission to Xi Jinping, but they are failing miserably to come up with any decent policy.  If they keep flogging the dead horse that is the EW-link and other big fails, then they are cactus and utterly ineffective.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
There has been an absolutely massive blunder this afternoon by the ATO, revising the Jobkeeper figures from 6.5 million, to 3.5 million - https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/treasurer-admits-massive-reporting-error-for-jobkeeper-program/news-story/61fbca48ac5cf7de638941c83e938504
The ATO did not make the massive error. They discovered some 500 or so businesses made an error. Considering there were over 900,000 applications this works out at about 1 in a thousand or 0.1%. If 99.9% of businesses got it right I don't think the beat-up is justified.
No money has been lost, the error was found when checking the applications.
I would have thought that the taxpayers of Australia would welcome that $70 million can be wiped off the amount borrowed to cover the cost of this virus.
neillfarmer

Not a single form had been filled in when the original estimate of $130 billion was made by the government.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
There has been an absolutely massive blunder this afternoon by the ATO, revising the Jobkeeper figures from 6.5 million, to 3.5 million - https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/treasurer-admits-massive-reporting-error-for-jobkeeper-program/news-story/61fbca48ac5cf7de638941c83e938504
The ATO did not make the massive error. They discovered some 500 or so businesses made an error. Considering there were over 900,000 applications this works out at about 1 in a thousand or 0.1%. If 99.9% of businesses got it right I don't think the beat-up is justified.
No money has been lost, the error was found when checking the applications.
I would have thought that the taxpayers of Australia would welcome that $70 million can be wiped off the amount borrowed to cover the cost of this virus.

Not a single form had been filled in when the original estimate of $130 billion was made by the government.
bingley hall
Wasn't the original estimate done by Treasury? Whoever did it, was it based on the number of employers who registered their interest at the outset?

Many businesses like ours did just that before finding out that we didn't in fact need taxpayer's $$$ to prop up our business, others discovered that their turnover didn't drop by the requisite 30% and others apparently decided that it wasn't worth the jumping through hoops required.

Quite frankly I find the initial over-estimation and later reduction in the need a far more favourable outcome than if it had been the other way around.

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