Andrews Government unveils $2.7 billion building blitz including road and rail upgrades

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 18 May 2020 09:21
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
A conspiracy theory, The land under the sky rail viaducts will be eventually turned in train tracks for the Gippsland line
Richard stroker
Can't see that happening, they'd have to reinstate level crossings after having spent billions to remove them.

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  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
If it walks like a commie duck and quacks like a commie duck then it's probably Chairman Dan.
"don_dunstan"
Don the ornithologist eh? Where do we go to see a Commie Duck? Do you have them in your swamp?
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
If it walks like a commie duck and quacks like a commie duck then it's probably Chairman Dan.
Don the ornithologist eh? Where do we go to see a Commie Duck? Do you have them in your swamp?
Valvegear
They would be the red ducks.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
If it walks like a commie duck and quacks like a commie duck then it's probably Chairman Dan.
Don the ornithologist eh? Where do we go to see a Commie Duck? Do you have them in your swamp?
Valvegear
C'mon Valvegear, you're not stupid and you've lived long enough to see the very real threat that communism poses to free societies like ours. They infiltrate national institutions and they don't care about how brazen they are; witness the infiltration of the CCP into the University of Queensland with all their cash.

Unfortunately it's the Labor apologists who have been caught too close to the CCP - Sam Dastyari and more recently Senator Kim Carr telling us that we were being mean to China; Bob Carr, Paul Keating, Bob Hawke etc etc. And very helpful people already in office like Dan Andrews, signing a secretive agreement with the CCP to do things that the Victorian public aren't allowed to know about.

Aren't you the least bit worried?
  John.Z Chief Train Controller

Foreign investment is a good thing, it's a sign that our economy is stronger than the world average and a safe/prosperous place to live. We're not Argentina selling 10% bonds that we default on here either.

China doesn't give out money for free. There's always a cost, it's always for their benefit. They're merchants, it's how they roll. Same as the US, same as the British Empire. Same as the romans and the greeks. It's history repeating itself.

You look at all the ports in the south pacific which china has loaned money for construction, full well knowing that one bad storm and vanuatu/fiji/noumea will be in trouble and can't pay it back.

They don't deal just in monetary profits, they deal in IP. So what we need to know is what IP we're giving up in return for the cash, or what control as in the case of the south pacific.
  justarider Assistant Commissioner

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
OBJECTION - MODS

This is not    The Lounge - My political/economic/xenophobic male appendage is bigger than yours.

Don, Valve, Z  take this crap off to your own little world and stop infecting other, sometimes relevant, discussions.

cheers
John
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
OBJECTION - MODS

This is not    The Lounge - My political/economic/xenophobic male appendage is bigger than yours.

Don, Valve, Z  take this crap off to your own little world and stop infecting other, sometimes relevant, discussions.

cheers
John
justarider
justarider, this is well within the context of the thread "Andrews Government unveils $2.7 billion building blitz..."

We here in poor old rural South Australia can only dream of such numbers - Dan Andrews drops $2.7 billion leaving the pub and doesn't notice whereas we could probably finance a bored tunnel all the way from Bedford Park to Thebarton and complete the South Road project toll-free. Meaningless to you I know but they're pretty staggering sums to us poor old crow-eaters.

Dan Andrews putting that money on a Chinese credit card isn't relevant? I think its extremely interesting, maybe our own back-water mayor Steven Marshall could consider signing up South Australia to a Chinese "Belt-and-Road" low interest credit card - what do you think?
  justarider Assistant Commissioner

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
OBJECTION - MODS

This is not    The Lounge - My political/economic/xenophobic male appendage is bigger than yours.

Don, Valve, Z  take this crap off to your own little world and stop infecting other, sometimes relevant, discussions.

cheers
John
justarider, this is well within the context of the thread "Andrews Government unveils $2.7 billion building blitz..."

We here in poor old rural South Australia can only dream of such numbers - Dan Andrews drops $2.7 billion leaving the pub and doesn't notice whereas we could probably finance a bored tunnel all the way from Bedford Park to Thebarton and complete the South Road project toll-free. Meaningless to you I know but they're pretty staggering sums to us poor old crow-eaters.

Dan Andrews putting that money on a Chinese credit card isn't relevant? I think its extremely interesting, maybe our own back-water mayor Steven Marshall could consider signing up South Australia to a Chinese "Belt-and-Road" low interest credit card - what do you think?
don_dunstan
obviously my political/economic/xenophobic male appendage is not as large as yours
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
This thread is like.

Oh Mah GORD, CHINA is spreading its tentacles and influence. China does X, Y, Z and loans for building crap. Why is Chairman Dan disregarding dear Führer Morrison and getting money from China? Why don't you stop it!
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Oh, I'm sorry, when I clicked on a thread in a rail forum about rail upgrades, I assumed that at some point the conversation may be about rail upgrades, not about irrelevant amateur political commentary.

Off I go now, in search of non-political rail-related conversations.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
...

Off I go now, in search of non-political rail-related conversations.
Gman_86
Is there any such thing?
  justarider Assistant Commissioner

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
...

Off I go now, in search of non-political rail-related conversations.
Is there any such thing?
don_dunstan
Last word Rolling Eyes
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
...

Off I go now, in search of non-political rail-related conversations.
Is there any such thing?
Last word Rolling Eyes
justarider
Serious question: Is there any rail-related news that has nothing to do with politics? Given that governments are pretty much the sole providers of infrastructure and services.
  Maximas Station Master

Location: Geelong
Well this site has a section on model railways doesn't it?
  ElliotProvis Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Victoria
Good god some of the conspiracy theories on this thread are absolutely whack.

Of the many (and there are many) c*ck comparisons I can see going on, Don seems to have inadvertently “shown themselves” in their comments about Victoria’s infrastructure-spending.
Most telling is it that they complain about a lack of spending in their own state, after implying Victoria’s spending too much... it’s almost jealousy?
Perhaps the implication is that Victoria should be so good as to spread the love over to SA?

Might I suggest you consider writing to your local member, and ask them why your state isn’t ponying up more money for infrastructure? Then, rather then looking like a fool on some forum, incoherently screeching about an alleged conspiracy deal cooked up between China and Victoria, you could put your over-active imagination to good use.

It certainly doesn’t give that side of the political aisle much currency with the general population when it branches off into crazy-land.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Good god some of the conspiracy theories on this thread are absolutely whack.

Of the many (and there are many) c*ck comparisons I can see going on, Don seems to have inadvertently “shown themselves” in their comments about Victoria’s infrastructure-spending.
Most telling is it that they complain about a lack of spending in their own state, after implying Victoria’s spending too much... it’s almost jealousy?
Perhaps the implication is that Victoria should be so good as to spread the love over to SA?

Might I suggest you consider writing to your local member, and ask them why your state isn’t ponying up more money for infrastructure? Then, rather then looking like a fool on some forum, incoherently screeching about an alleged conspiracy deal cooked up between China and Victoria, you could put your over-active imagination to good use.

It certainly doesn’t give that side of the political aisle much currency with the general population when it branches off into crazy-land.
ElliotProvis
I still love Melbourne dearly but I just don't want to live there anymore - it was a conscious uncoupling like Gwyenth Paltrow and Chris Martin. Too much traffic, too long to get anywhere. Congested everything, even though I miss living with the eastern suburbs tram network ultimately it gets blocked by traffic the same as the roads do...

Here in the back-blocks of South Australia we don't have exciting bored tunnel projects every five minutes like the Socialist Republic of Victoria, but then we don't have the rivers of gold that the VIC govt has had with stamp duty in the last 10-15 years either. Spendthrift Chairman Dan has been pretty good for Victoria, I'm always amazed by the amount of building going on, it isn't anything like the city I first moved to some couple of decades ago. History shows rivers of cash invariably dry up don't they...

I'm just pointing out that there's a lot of money being spent by Chairman Dan - that the funding sources aren't clear at the moment - and that many existing projects are either very hugely over budget or held up... or both.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I still love Melbourne dearly but I just don't want to live there anymore - it was a conscious uncoupling like Gwyenth Paltrow and Chris Martin. Too much traffic, too long to get anywhere. Congested everything, even though I miss living with the eastern suburbs tram network ultimately it gets blocked by traffic the same as the roads do...
don_dunstan
I live in Melbourne and completely agree with this statement. Melbourne has become a cesspit I have watched it happen over the past 10 years with corruption and infrastructure projects completed to put money in people's pockets not to fix any problems. I live inner city and the traffic now is just unbearable and I don't drive during the week. If i jump on the car it is 15 minutes before I can get out of the suburb and onto a flowing road (well not lately but that is changing with people ignoring Chairman Dan) there is no ANSWER the horse has bolted and we have now a clogged network of roads and rail which still requires massive investment.

I take a walk, stand on the corner during the morning peak and watch (well until covid19) car after car after car after car pass me with a single occupant.  I met a guy from NZ recently (3 months ago) who said he could not believe the traffic in our neighbourhood.  We both think this is people not from around the area at all.

I think about it and think well I am not going to see this fixed in my lifetime but the answer is clear to me, no more roads and toll roads and more and more transport planning people need to be encouraged out of their cars.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I also live in Melbourne and, whilst I don't share bevan's view that it has become a cesspit (there being many, many things that I like about the place), I am in full agreement with his remarks about traffic.

Many years ago, Peter Batchelor was Minister for Transport, and he said that Melbourne had a very good public transport system. I was moved to write to The Age, saying that I was worried about Mr Batchelor because he may actually believe that to be true.

That was then. Now I'm 5 km from the CBD; my elder son is even closer and, for us, PT is very good. My younger son lives 25 km to the east and his availability of PT is abysmal.
It's been said a million times before but it has been "populate, populate" for decades with a huge increase in population and three-fifths of five-eights of nothing even resembling public transport growth to handle it.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.


It's been said a million times before but it has been "populate, populate" for decades with a huge increase in population and three-fifths of five-eights of nothing even resembling public transport growth to handle it.
"Valvegear"


Hmmm now lets see, 3/5th's of 5/8th's ahh well 1/2 22/7, LxWxH, two +'s makes a - , 16oz to the pound, 1.6km = 1mile, curvature of the earth, 6' per 10mile,  7kilopascals =,   Valvegear can I have some help working this out ?

BigShunter.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I also live in Melbourne and, whilst I don't share bevan's view that it has become a cesspit (there being many, many things that I like about the place), I am in full agreement with his remarks about traffic.
Valvegear

My comments are specific to the traffic and the associated corrupt projects which have failed to address the issue for 20 years.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Hmmm now lets see, 3/5th's of 5/8th's ahh well 1/2 22/7, LxWxH, two +'s makes a - , 16oz to the pound, 1.6km = 1mile, curvature of the earth, 6' per 10mile,  7kilopascals =,   Valvegear can I have some help working this out ?
"BigShunter"
You could if I knew what I was doing!
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I also live in Melbourne and, whilst I don't share bevan's view that it has become a cesspit (there being many, many things that I like about the place), I am in full agreement with his remarks about traffic.

Many years ago, Peter Batchelor was Minister for Transport, and he said that Melbourne had a very good public transport system. I was moved to write to The Age, saying that I was worried about Mr Batchelor because he may actually believe that to be true.

That was then. Now I'm 5 km from the CBD; my elder son is even closer and, for us, PT is very good. My younger son lives 25 km to the east and his availability of PT is abysmal.
It's been said a million times before but it has been "populate, populate" for decades with a huge increase in population and three-fifths of five-eights of nothing even resembling public transport growth to handle it.
Valvegear

Nearly 40 years ago, I decided to move from Laverton which was then recently zoned in its northern parts as allowing 'offensive industrial' industries to be constructed.

These industries can now be seen when one travels along the then non-existent Metropolitan Ring Road.

However it's up to the individual to make the most of their decision about where to move to. Don't move to places that have little or no public transport...then after arriving with no research having been done about how one will commute during the time living in that area. There are still places around the commutable area of Melbourne where one does not need to drive to get to work...but it takes research...not pot-luck upon arrival.

In 1982, I decided Ballan would be a great place to live, despite or because of its English winters. I purchased a northerly aspect block of land 3 blocks from the station. Ballan at that time had a very sparse train service, however it was good enough to enable a commute to Melbourne, reasonably quickly and economically without having to get the car out of the garage to do so. But no consideration of an evening in the City at a cinema, restaurant etc. could be had as there was no alternative than to drive at that time, or stay overnight in the City.

Almost 40 years later, Ballan has what can only be called a sensational public transport service...way beyond what I could have envisioned back in '82 and the excellent service will soon be further improved with even more frequent and even faster trains.

Ballan is also surrounded by light trafficed country roads which makes for excellent recreational cycling and I now oversee the Stationeers group which continues to beautify the station precinct and is a highlight of a visit to my town.

Mike.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
I still love Melbourne dearly but I just don't want to live there anymore - it was a conscious uncoupling like Gwyenth Paltrow and Chris Martin. Too much traffic, too long to get anywhere. Congested everything, even though I miss living with the eastern suburbs tram network ultimately it gets blocked by traffic the same as the roads do...
I live in Melbourne and completely agree with this statement. Melbourne has become a cesspit I have watched it happen over the past 10 years with corruption and infrastructure projects completed to put money in people's pockets not to fix any problems. I live inner city and the traffic now is just unbearable and I don't drive during the week. If i jump on the car it is 15 minutes before I can get out of the suburb and onto a flowing road (well not lately but that is changing with people ignoring Chairman Dan) there is no ANSWER the horse has bolted and we have now a clogged network of roads and rail which still requires massive investment.

I take a walk, stand on the corner during the morning peak and watch (well until covid19) car after car after car after car pass me with a single occupant.  I met a guy from NZ recently (3 months ago) who said he could not believe the traffic in our neighbourhood.  We both think this is people not from around the area at all.

I think about it and think well I am not going to see this fixed in my lifetime but the answer is clear to me, no more roads and toll roads and more and more transport planning people need to be encouraged out of their cars.
bevans
Car ownership is a sign of wealth. The only way to encourage people out of them is to make that mode of transport prohibitively expensive, or to reduce their wealth. It wouldn't surprise me at all if some people still drive to work even if they live next door to a train station, simply because they are prepared to pay for the privilege of personal space and perceived convenience. Some people don't care that they are stationary on the freeway; at least they can pick their noses behind tinted glass.

Consider the opposite. If generally speaking Melburnians were so poor as to not have the luxury of private transport available to them, would it be a better or worse place to live? Careful what you wish for.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Car ownership is a sign of wealth.
"DirtyBallast"
It was once, but not these days. When I see so many P platers driving new or near new cars ranging anywhere from small Hyundai, Kia, Toyota et al up to full on tricked up utes I wonder greatly at how it's changed since I was 19.
The world and his wife and his mistress all have cars; it's not a wealth symbol any more.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Car ownership is a sign of wealth.
"DirtyBallast"
It was once, but not these days. When I see so many P platers driving new or near new cars ranging anywhere from small Hyundai, Kia, Toyota et al up to full on tricked up utes I wonder greatly at how it's changed since I was 19.
The world and his wife and his mistress all have cars; it's not a wealth symbol any more.
"Valvegear"


How old were you when you got your first horse & gig, Valvegear ?

BigShunter.

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