The corona virus COVID-19

 
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

There has been an absolutely massive blunder this afternoon by the ATO, revising the Jobkeeper figures from 6.5 million, to 3.5 million - https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/treasurer-admits-massive-reporting-error-for-jobkeeper-program/news-story/61fbca48ac5cf7de638941c83e938504
The ATO did not make the massive error. They discovered some 500 or so businesses made an error. Considering there were over 900,000 applications this works out at about 1 in a thousand or 0.1%. If 99.9% of businesses got it right I don't think the beat-up is justified.
No money has been lost, the error was found when checking the applications.
I would have thought that the taxpayers of Australia would welcome that $70 million can be wiped off the amount borrowed to cover the cost of this virus.

Not a single form had been filled in when the original estimate of $130 billion was made by the government.
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Assistant treasurer.Michael Sukkar, said last week, the programme was fully subscribed.
The scheme was designed to be difficult to qualify for and access. Another notional LNP announcement. I smell a rat, a con and or gross incompetence. Possibly all.

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  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
There has been an absolutely massive blunder this afternoon by the ATO, revising the Jobkeeper figures from 6.5 million, to 3.5 million - https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/treasurer-admits-massive-reporting-error-for-jobkeeper-program/news-story/61fbca48ac5cf7de638941c83e938504
The ATO did not make the massive error. They discovered some 500 or so businesses made an error. Considering there were over 900,000 applications this works out at about 1 in a thousand or 0.1%. If 99.9% of businesses got it right I don't think the beat-up is justified.
No money has been lost, the error was found when checking the applications.
I would have thought that the taxpayers of Australia would welcome that $70 million can be wiped off the amount borrowed to cover the cost of this virus.

Not a single form had been filled in when the original estimate of $130 billion was made by the government.
Wasn't the original estimate done by Treasury? Whoever did it, was it based on the number of employers who registered their interest at the outset?

Many businesses like ours did just that before finding out that we didn't in fact need taxpayer's $$$ to prop up our business, others discovered that their turnover didn't drop by the requisite 30% and others apparently decided that it wasn't worth the jumping through hoops required.

Quite frankly I find the initial over-estimation and later reduction in the need a far more favourable outcome than if it had been the other way around.
BrentonGolding

Treasury may have done the calculations, but the government made the announcement - "the buck stops here" and all that. Businesses were only asked to register their interest after the March 30th $130bn announcement.

If any other business, or heaven forbid a Labor government, had made such an error then Carnot would have been out there screaming 'Mugabe-esque' at the top of his voice.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

There has been an absolutely massive blunder this afternoon by the ATO, revising the Jobkeeper figures from 6.5 million, to 3.5 million - https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/treasurer-admits-massive-reporting-error-for-jobkeeper-program/news-story/61fbca48ac5cf7de638941c83e938504
The ATO did not make the massive error. They discovered some 500 or so businesses made an error. Considering there were over 900,000 applications this works out at about 1 in a thousand or 0.1%. If 99.9% of businesses got it right I don't think the beat-up is justified.
No money has been lost, the error was found when checking the applications.
I would have thought that the taxpayers of Australia would welcome that $70 million can be wiped off the amount borrowed to cover the cost of this virus.

Not a single form had been filled in when the original estimate of $130 billion was made by the government.
Wasn't the original estimate done by Treasury? Whoever did it, was it based on the number of employers who registered their interest at the outset?

Many businesses like ours did just that before finding out that we didn't in fact need taxpayer's $$$ to prop up our business, others discovered that their turnover didn't drop by the requisite 30% and others apparently decided that it wasn't worth the jumping through hoops required.

Quite frankly I find the initial over-estimation and later reduction in the need a far more favourable outcome than if it had been the other way around.

Treasury may have done the calculations, but the government made the announcement - "the buck stops here" and all that. Businesses were only asked to register their interest after the March 30th $130bn announcement.

If any other business, or heaven forbid a Labor government, had made such an error then Carnot would have been out there screaming 'Mugabe-esque' at the top of his voice.
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I would say that's a good outcome compared to what could've been.  

Anyway, I wonder if Section 51 of the Australia will get invoked by the Fed Govt over the Vic Belt & Road contract?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Anyway, I wonder if Section 51 of the Australia will get invoked by the Fed Govt over the Vic Belt & Road contract?
Carnot
Try looking with two eyes (not that I'd ever accuse you of bias!)  and tell me why it's OK for the Port of Darwin to be leased to the Chinese for 99 years, but wrong for Victoria to go for the Belt and Road.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
It was late notice but late last Friday at work we got an email to say that testing was available at work on early Monday and Tuesday mornings. Like when we used to get flu shots at work (nowadays we get a voucher to go to Chemist Warehouse instead) an appointment had to be made (so they could keep control of the queue) and a consent form had to be filled in.
DirtyBallast
What is a chemist warehouse?
  DCook Chief Train Controller

Location: The standard state
It was late notice but late last Friday at work we got an email to say that testing was available at work on early Monday and Tuesday mornings. Like when we used to get flu shots at work (nowadays we get a voucher to go to Chemist Warehouse instead) an appointment had to be made (so they could keep control of the queue) and a consent form had to be filled in.
What is a chemist warehouse?
Gayspie
The store
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
It was late notice but late last Friday at work we got an email to say that testing was available at work on early Monday and Tuesday mornings. Like when we used to get flu shots at work (nowadays we get a voucher to go to Chemist Warehouse instead) an appointment had to be made (so they could keep control of the queue) and a consent form had to be filled in.
What is a chemist warehouse?
Gayspie
https://www.chemistwarehouse.com.au/
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

What is a chemist warehouse?
Gayspie
And in further breaking news, no internet search engine works
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Treasury may have done the calculations, but the government made the announcement - "the buck stops here" and all that. Businesses were only asked to register their interest after the March 30th $130bn announcement.

If any other business, or heaven forbid a Labor government, had made such an error then Carnot would have been out there screaming 'Mugabe-esque' at the top of his voice.
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You mean like this? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-24/coronavirus-jobkeeper-wage-subsidy-josh-frydenberg-60-billion/12280716
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Anyway, I wonder if Section 51 of the Australia will get invoked by the Fed Govt over the Vic Belt & Road contract?
Try looking with two eyes (not that I'd ever accuse you of bias!)  and tell me why it's OK for the Port of Darwin to be leased to the Chinese for 99 years, but wrong for Victoria to go for the Belt and Road.
Valvegear
Hi VG, for what it's worth I don't think that the PoD lease should have been granted to the Chinese in the first place!
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Anyway, I wonder if Section 51 of the Australia will get invoked by the Fed Govt over the Vic Belt & Road contract?
Try looking with two eyes (not that I'd ever accuse you of bias!)  and tell me why it's OK for the Port of Darwin to be leased to the Chinese for 99 years, but wrong for Victoria to go for the Belt and Road.
Valvegear
Stupidity and treason exists in both ALP and Lib Govts.  The Port of Darwin should never have been sold off like it was, and that was my view at the time and still is.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

It was late notice but late last Friday at work we got an email to say that testing was available at work on early Monday and Tuesday mornings. Like when we used to get flu shots at work (nowadays we get a voucher to go to Chemist Warehouse instead) an appointment had to be made (so they could keep control of the queue) and a consent form had to be filled in.
What is a chemist warehouse?
Gayspie
Here you go.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Now the international car industry reckons Covid-19 is an opportunity to sell more cars and clog up our roads as people shun public transport.
https://www.caradvice.com.au/852500/covid-19-breathes-hope-into-the-future-of-cars-as-buyers-shun-mass-transit/

Catastrophic really.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Now the international car industry reckons Covid-19 is an opportunity to sell more cars and clog up our roads as people shun public transport.
https://www.caradvice.com.au/852500/covid-19-breathes-hope-into-the-future-of-cars-as-buyers-shun-mass-transit/

Catastrophic really.
Carnot
To an extent I agree with them, I am in Adelaide so the risk to me on PT is negligible, but the overcrowding on the trains in Adelaide last week had endless numbers in my social media feeds complaining about the lack of social distancing.

I drive to work, and my workplace is the most sanitary it’s ever been, all my work surfaces are sanitised by the cleaners five times a day, I did a six hour day one day last week and spent more time getting out of the way of the sanitising regimen than I did working. They’re sanitising the desk of one of the women who are on leave five times everyday and no one else has touched it in weeks, forget a desk clean enough to eat off, you could eat the desk and keyboard and suffer no infectious disease.

The fact is if you’re on the infected seaboard (I read NSW shut down a school today because of a positive case), and you actually need to attend your work, driving yourself is by far the safest way to travel, for you and the rest of society.
  allan Chief Commissioner

The fact is if you’re on the infected seaboard (I read NSW shut down a school today because of a positive case), and you actually need to attend your work, driving yourself is by far the safest way to travel, for you and the rest of society.
Aaron
Except for the risk of road accident...
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Now the international car industry reckons Covid-19 is an opportunity to sell more cars and clog up our roads as people shun public transport.
https://www.caradvice.com.au/852500/covid-19-breathes-hope-into-the-future-of-cars-as-buyers-shun-mass-transit/

Catastrophic really.
To an extent I agree with them, I am in Adelaide so the risk to me on PT is negligible, but the overcrowding on the trains in Adelaide last week had endless numbers in my social media feeds complaining about the lack of social distancing.

I drive to work, and my workplace is the most sanitary it’s ever been, all my work surfaces are sanitised by the cleaners five times a day, I did a six hour day one day last week and spent more time getting out of the way of the sanitising regimen than I did working. They’re sanitising the desk of one of the women who are on leave five times everyday and no one else has touched it in weeks, forget a desk clean enough to eat off, you could eat the desk and keyboard and suffer no infectious disease.

The fact is if you’re on the infected seaboard (I read NSW shut down a school today because of a positive case), and you actually need to attend your work, driving yourself is by far the safest way to travel, for you and the rest of society.
Aaron
Actually 2 schools, both in the Eastern Suburbs of Sydney, one Waverly College, the other Moriah College.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

SA has had a new case for the first time in nearly three weeks - a woman who had arrived from overseas in Melbourne and then released early from her international arrival quarantine by the Victorians without being tested.

Thanks a freaking lot Chairman Dan!

The fact is if you’re on the infected seaboard (I read NSW shut down a school today because of a positive case), and you actually need to attend your work, driving yourself is by far the safest way to travel, for you and the rest of society.
Except for the risk of road accident...
allan
Just as with COVID-19, you can take precautions to reduce your risk.
  allan Chief Commissioner


The fact is if you’re on the infected seaboard (I read NSW shut down a school today because of a positive case), and you actually need to attend your work, driving yourself is by far the safest way to travel, for you and the rest of society.
Except for the risk of road accident...
Just as with COVID-19, you can take precautions to reduce your risk.
justapassenger
I'd suggest that the risk from the road accident is the greater risk, especially for younger folk.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Can we get Dan and his health minister jointly charged with 60 counts of endangering life, and have them personally pay the full tote of the medical bills for this woman?

This is precisely why organisations like the AFL need to be told to F off, and no, we are not going to exempt broadcast staff coming to SA for a football match that doesn’t need to happen.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways


The fact is if you’re on the infected seaboard (I read NSW shut down a school today because of a positive case), and you actually need to attend your work, driving yourself is by far the safest way to travel, for you and the rest of society.
Except for the risk of road accident...
Just as with COVID-19, you can take precautions to reduce your risk.I'd suggest that the risk from the road accident is the greater risk, especially for younger folk.
allan
So you take steps to reduce that risk, instead of just trading one for another.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I don’t actually think it’s much more dangerous to be on the road at a younger age.

I have been trying to do some actual analysis and whilst I am being hampered by governments and insurers being ‘coy’ with the numbers they’ll give out I suspect that normalised for time and distance elderly drivers whom we are often told are the safest are not.

This has to some extent come out of the Mallala accident in February. I expressed doubt about the ‘familiarity’ reasoning then, and have been working on it since - and I am pretty sure familiarity in most circumstances as a ‘contributing factor’ is BS.

Younger people will drive everywhere for any reason, they’re on the road for longer time/distance. Older people, perhaps less so, even much less so, a friend of mine last week purchased a 1999 vehicle with 81,000km on it. It was owned by a 91 year old lady needing to hand in her licence - she was just (fortunately) never on the road to die in an accident.

Accidents are (well should be, unless you’re a government with an agenda on road deaths) modelled on a Poisson distribution. It’s pretty much the standard method of modelling ‘failures’ or infrequent events, unless you’re an insurer or government and you’re talking about road crashes.

Poisson distributions are dependant on a rate of occurrences expressed in a ‘interval’ be that a time, or distance (for car accidents for example), or for other things perhaps in a volume, or area, or some other measurable/countable interval.

If we correctly modelled road crash statistics on data properly normalised for time/distance travelled I suspect the distribution might curve the opposite way to what we are classically told AND we might find that ‘complacency’ or ‘familiarity’ leading to most crashes being ‘near to home/work, etc’ is actually a myth.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
SA has had a new case for the first time in nearly three weeks - a woman who had arrived from overseas in Melbourne and then released early from her international arrival quarantine by the Victorians without being tested.

Thanks a freaking lot Chairman Dan!
justapassenger
Hang on a minute - doesn't South Australia have restrictions in place for interstate visitors? Shouldn't it be up to them whether a person enters and quarantines or not?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Yes we do have our own rules and procedures; however, this woman was discharged early and flew to Adelaide where she was tested on arrival at the airport.

The eastern infection board sent us a case that should never have been allowed in a public place in the first instance.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Yes we do have our own rules and procedures; however, this woman was discharged early and flew to Adelaide where she was tested on arrival at the airport.

The eastern infection board sent us a case that should never have been allowed in a public place in the first instance.
Aaron
More details have emerged, it turns out she tested negative three days after arriving from a problem country and was then released by the Victorians after seven without a second test.

That raises an interesting question about how things are going on the diseastern seaboard - are they getting false negatives or are their quarantine systems in fact petri dishes where the virus is running wild?

Moving forward, perhaps the way towards allowing personal travel into the SA/WA/Qld/NT travel zone will be for those states to deploy staff into the diseastern states where they would operate pre-departure testing instead of the locals.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
An employee of the diseastern seaboard Covid hotel tested positive today...

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