Murray Basin standardisation

 
  PE2010 Station Master

Location: Newcastle
Maryborough has a working No 3 road that's operational and No 2 is there but unsure if operational yet. There just hasn't been the volume of trains yet to truly test the limited capacity and crossing capabilities.
Three road is used but very rarely, 2 and 4 rds relaid but booked out. Seem to prefer to hold a train out at Emu loop for a cross even if down train still hasn`t got to Maryborough.
Bonzel

Is it because Emu is slightly longer?

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  Lachlan's Train Channel Station Master

Location: Mildura, Victoria
Not too sure. emu is about 850m long though.
  NSWGR8022 Deputy Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
The second road in the Maryborough area to the north of the road overpass to the south end of the yard (UP) is approximately 600m in length. I have seen youtube videos by a member here of the Mildura trains passing at maryborough.

The change might be due to late running or timetabling?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Any idea on when Ararat Junction is going to be finally finished ?
assuming they don't consider it finished already, when the rest of the plan is sorted out.

i'm not aware of a train going west from Ararat, or the need arising to turn a loco on what is effectively planed to be a triangle, so it may just end up staying as is.

The whole thing is manually operated on the ground currently and the western leg has indeed been used regularly , for example when XPT derailment at Wallan many grain trins from Mildura line turned West and reached Northern NSW via Adelaide & Crystal Brook Junction.  See Grain Harvest thread under Victoria for video clips.

ARTC need to get a rocket under completion of this job as after a year it is delaying every Avoca line train 15 to 20 mins at Ararat . Victoria should likewise be pressuring ARTC to complete the job.
kuldalai

Making stuff up again?. No videos of such moves on the grain thread as far as I can see (EDIT: found one which clearly states it loaded at Murtoa and Dimboola).

Total bollocks. A mere handful (it may have been only one) went via Adelaide because of the derailment and any that did, did not originate off the Mildura or Maryborough lines.

ARTC did up the Portland lines because of all the screeching on RP, and still no trains Razz
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Looks like the official webpage is getting close to retirement...

https://www.murraybasinrailproject.com.au/

Is it all-over red-rover?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

Making stuff up again?. No videos of such moves on the grain thread as far as I can see (EDIT: found one which clearly states it loaded at Murtoa and Dimboola).

Total bollocks. A mere handful (it may have been only one) went via Adelaide because of the derailment and any that did, did not originate off the Mildura or Maryborough lines.

ARTC did up the Portland lines because of all the screeching on RP, and still no trains Razz
bingley hall

Would have thought a major reason for the upgrading of the Portland Line was the mineral sands traffic which ran severals times per week.  I think the big loss to the portland line was the ;lack of SG to Milicent (SA) which was the wood chip traffic and of course the demise of El Zorro which had container services to Portland and the Mineral Sands.

The North Portland Intermodal terminal needs to go ahead.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Looks like the official webpage is getting close to retirement...

https://www.murraybasinrailproject.com.au/

Is it all-over red-rover?
Carnot
Nah its getting ready for a rebrand into the biggest and most wonderful thing to ever be done for Western Vic!  Lets get some more political points out of rail as the general public loves that stuff.

Also its a way of taking out information that could be used against them when the new project is announced.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Looks like the official webpage is getting close to retirement...

https://www.murraybasinrailproject.com.au/

Is it all-over red-rover?
Nah its getting ready for a rebrand into the biggest and most wonderful thing to ever be done for Western Vic!  Lets get some more political points out of rail as the general public loves that stuff.

Also its a way of taking out information that could be used against them when the new project is announced.
james.au
I'm quaking in anticipation....
  Carnot Minister for Railways
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The operators were encouraged to provide their requirements into the business case and summarised by the article as:

Group members were adamant they wanted faster times, the ability to carry heavier loads and full standardisation of lines.

"The rail operators won't invest in any more locomotives, or wagons until it's standardised; that's the clear message they have given the government and me," he said.

Group members had also requested the economic and environmental impact of an increased number of heavy vehicles using the roads, if the rail project was not finished, be built into the business case.
VFF

The call for real costs of heavy vehicles on the roads due to the poor outcomes of the Mildura project should form part of the business case.  I would even go further and include into the capital planning the SHIFT2RAIL scheme for the Murray Basin for 5 years at double the 12 month rate to ensure the network gets maximium use and the rail is taken up.

Also

A GrainCorp spokesman said the company was a strong supporter of the MBRP and it would welcome government investment, to support its completion.

"The MBRP has the potential to deliver significant economic benefits to Victorian grain growers by creating a more cost effective and efficient rail supply chain, which will ultimately improve the competitiveness of Victorian grain in domestic and international markets," the spokesman said.
Graincorp

What grain is not on rail out of the area now leading to increases other than grain around Robinvale which is on road,  The scope of the grain network needs review in terms of conversion.  Not entirely on topic but grain handling west of Denni needs to be looked at also for investment.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
The operators were encouraged to provide their requirements into the business case and summarised by the article as:

Group members were adamant they wanted faster times, the ability to carry heavier loads and full standardisation of lines.

"The rail operators won't invest in any more locomotives, or wagons until it's standardised; that's the clear message they have given the government and me," he said.

Group members had also requested the economic and environmental impact of an increased number of heavy vehicles using the roads, if the rail project was not finished, be built into the business case.

The call for real costs of heavy vehicles on the roads due to the poor outcomes of the Mildura project should form part of the business case.  I would even go further and include into the capital planning the SHIFT2RAIL scheme for the Murray Basin for 5 years at double the 12 month rate to ensure the network gets maximium use and the rail is taken up.

Also

A GrainCorp spokesman said the company was a strong supporter of the MBRP and it would welcome government investment, to support its completion.

"The MBRP has the potential to deliver significant economic benefits to Victorian grain growers by creating a more cost effective and efficient rail supply chain, which will ultimately improve the competitiveness of Victorian grain in domestic and international markets," the spokesman said.

What grain is not on rail out of the area now leading to increases other than grain around Robinvale which is on road,  The scope of the grain network needs review in terms of conversion.  Not entirely on topic but grain handling west of Denni needs to be looked at also for investment.
bevans
I.E the legacy network needs to be completely relooked at, and not from a Melbourne centric end destination.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
I.E the legacy network needs to be completely relooked at, and not from a Melbourne centric end destination.
speedemon08
This sounds like a problem that should be looked at Federally.....
  cbinyon Chief Train Controller

Location: London, England
Two PN grainys crossed last night at Maryborough. UP ex Dunolly and DN Ouyen grain.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Two PN grainys crossed last night at Maryborough. UP ex Dunolly and DN Ouyen grain.
cbinyon
40 wagons a piece?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Two PN grainys crossed last night at Maryborough. UP ex Dunolly and DN Ouyen grain.
40 wagons a piece?
bevans
Looks like they were according to Gheringhap Loop sightings.
  Lachlan's Train Channel Station Master

Location: Mildura, Victoria
They're running Grainys to Ouyen more than once weekly with the occasional grain to Carwarp atm, Maryborough is the main crossing point. Emu is also use sometimes. No Murrayville grain for a while and there hasn't been a Yelta grain for years, I'm told.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

They're running Grainys to Ouyen more than once weekly with the occasional grain to Carwarp atm, Maryborough is the main crossing point. Emu is also use sometimes. No Murrayville grain for a while and there hasn't been a Yelta grain for years, I'm told.
Lachlan's Train Channel
Yelta and out West from there had a very lean harvest just gone.  Things are looking brighter this year though.

I understand that Birchip will have some loading this week too.
  cbinyon Chief Train Controller

Location: London, England
They're running Grainys to Ouyen more than once weekly with the occasional grain to Carwarp atm, Maryborough is the main crossing point. Emu is also use sometimes. No Murrayville grain for a while and there hasn't been a Yelta grain for years, I'm told.
Yelta and out West from there had a very lean harvest just gone.  Things are looking brighter this year though.

I understand that Birchip will have some loading this week too.
Carnot
QUBE running a train this evening to Birchip
  Carnot Minister for Railways

An interesting update on Stockandland.  In particular the comments regarding speeding up the Maryborough to Ararat section with new rail:

https://www.stockandland.com.au/story/6815505/mbrp-would-help-fill-jobs-void/
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
An interesting update on Stockandland.  In particular the comments regarding speeding up the Maryborough to Ararat section with new rail:

https://www.stockandland.com.au/story/6815505/mbrp-would-help-fill-jobs-void/
Carnot

@Duncs has surveyed that section first hand and found a lot of very very old rail which we have discussed so replacement of this rail should be a priority.  It is amazing this was not one of the key deliverables for the project from day 1.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
An interesting update on Stockandland.  In particular the comments regarding speeding up the Maryborough to Ararat section with new rail:

https://www.stockandland.com.au/story/6815505/mbrp-would-help-fill-jobs-void/

@Duncs has surveyed that section first hand and found a lot of very very old rail which we have discussed so replacement of this rail should be a priority.  It is amazing this was not one of the key deliverables for the project from day 1.
bevans
not so amazing. MDY to ARA was not a key deliverable as such. Just a short term fix until MBY to BAL was done.

Of course short term is now the permanent fixture until we see the revised Business Case.
Fixing MBY-ARA would be the worst possible outcome. Better to preserve it as an emergency back door only (Portland not withstanding), and do the "real" line for real.

cheers
John
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Nice video of a cross at Maryborough



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBsqUyHF6Ko
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

An interesting update on Stockandland.  In particular the comments regarding speeding up the Maryborough to Ararat section with new rail:

https://www.stockandland.com.au/story/6815505/mbrp-would-help-fill-jobs-void/

@Duncs has surveyed that section first hand and found a lot of very very old rail which we have discussed so replacement of this rail should be a priority.  It is amazing this was not one of the key deliverables for the project from day 1.
bevans
Thanks Bevans

When I looked over the track last year, it was predominantly 41kg and dated as old as 1919 in some cases! But the new rail installed in the level crossings was 47kg dated 2017 made by One Steel. So in that case, replacing the old (and ludicrously light weight) rail with at least a modern 47 kg rail should not be problem. I have no doubt that One Steel would be only too pleased to supply the rail.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Another extra train to Donald today for loading at PeaCo.
Good to see the loading from Mildura and Donald exceeds the 1200 m track length limit.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Another extra train to Donald today for loading at PeaCo.
Good to see the loading from Mildura and Donald exceeds the 1200 m track length limit.
Donald
Good info there Donald and great for PeaCo as well.

Here's a clip by Graeme with a load of containerised Lupins pulling out of Dunolly.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz3e0wMzh-k

Thanks to Graeme for the clip.

BigShunter.

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