843 off to the NRM

 
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
Announced on Facebook today that the National Railway Museum have finally acquired an 830 class (843) after years of trying. Proud of their efforts, would expect that will replace 801 for broad gauge shunt duties.

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  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Announced on Facebook today that the National Railway Museum have finally acquired an 830 class (843) after years of trying. Proud of their efforts, would expect that will replace 801 for broad gauge shunt duties.
greasyrhys
So that's three in preservation now isn't it or am I forgetting one?

866 at the Don River Railway in Tasmania
850 at Port Lincoln
and now 843 at the NRM
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Announced on Facebook today that the National Railway Museum have finally acquired an 830 class (843) after years of trying. Proud of their efforts, would expect that will replace 801 for broad gauge shunt duties.
So that's three in preservation now isn't it or am I forgetting one?

866 at the Don River Railway in Tasmania
850 at Port Lincoln
and now 843 at the NRM
lkernan

Forgetting 2 locos actually.

845 under restoration to operation at Steamranger and 863 at Peterborough roundhouse museum. Always good to see another Alco preserved. Hope the Sole Stony wagon goes with it!
  sam6778 Junior Train Controller

Location: Rockingham, WA
Quick question, did the 830 class ever run on the narrow gauge Old Ghan?  If so, would the PRR ever be interested in one?  Cheers.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Quick question, did the 830 class ever run on the narrow gauge Old Ghan?  If so, would the PRR ever be interested in one?  Cheers.
sam6778
https://www.comrails.com/sar_locos/r_830.html makes no mention of an 830 on the Ghan but they were on NG at Port Lincoln.

More on the class https://www.railpage.com.au/locos/830-class
  Railwayfan Train Controller

Location: By a Railway
Quick question, did the 830 class ever run on the narrow gauge Old Ghan?  If so, would the PRR ever be interested in one?  Cheers.
sam6778
I think Pichi Richi would definitely be after one when money + timing permits. I have heard murmors previously but I won't post as I'll believe when I see it. But As to their interest, they have rolling stock from all over Australia, so I think an 830 is well within their scope!
  Railwayfan Train Controller

Location: By a Railway
Quick question, did the 830 class ever run on the narrow gauge Old Ghan?  If so, would the PRR ever be interested in one?  Cheers.
https://www.comrails.com/sar_locos/r_830.html makes no mention of an 830 on the Ghan but they were on NG at Port Lincoln.

More on the class https://www.railpage.com.au/locos/830-class
bevans
They were the mainstay of the Port Lincoln division (and arguably still are) with 6 830 variants still operating the Gypo at Thevenard!
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Quick question, did the 830 class ever run on the narrow gauge Old Ghan?  If so, would the PRR ever be interested in one?  Cheers.
sam6778
Only between Quorn and Hawker to my knowledge.
The true NG Central Australia Railway was isolated from the south in 1956 by the Stirling North - Marree SG line which was years before the 830s arrived on the SAR .
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

Quick question, did the 830 class ever run on the narrow gauge Old Ghan?  If so, would the PRR ever be interested in one?  Cheers.
sam6778
PRR would be interested although I am not aware of them ever venturing down the pass. They are light on the track but I doubt they would MU with the NSU or NT. A problem with them would be that they would be another load of spares to clutter up the sheds. I was involved in a raid on the Pt Augusta workshops to collect spares for the NSU and NT.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Quick question, did the 830 class ever run on the narrow gauge Old Ghan?  If so, would the PRR ever be interested in one?  Cheers.
Only between Quorn and Hawker to my knowledge.
The true NG Central Australia Railway was isolated from the south in 1956 by the Stirling North - Marree SG line which was years before the 830s arrived on the SAR .
YM-Mundrabilla


The Hawker Goods survived long enough to be hauled Peterborough-Quorn-Hawker and return by a narrow gauge 830 class.
  NG Sulzers Deputy Commissioner

Location: Quorn
830 Relevance to Quorn.

Only once, did an 830 venture north of Quorn to Hawker. It hauled no goods to Hawker, it's sole purpose was a departmental train to retrieve all remaining rollingstock from Hawker and return to Quorn/Port Augusta. The 830 was crewed by CR drivers (one of which my uncle) and supervised by a SAR Loco Inspector.

The 830's did not operate through the Pichi Richi Pass, but then neither did Model 75 Brills, ex WAGR W's, STC W, QR VTE ballast hoppers.

Until 1980 when the ex CR NSU's infiltrated the Peterborough division, two 830's were the mainstay of the Quorn Goods ex Peterborough.


The Sulzers have differing control systems and MU requirements to other loco's, ALCO, EMD or GE.
Sulzers run a 110V control system, require the use of BOTH MU jumper cables (the reverser is not crossed in the MU jumper unlike other loco's). The heads or plugs on the Sulzer MU cables are different, albeit have 27 pins too.
Engine speed is controlled pnuematically which between loco's uses the a hose with the same coupling head as a #3 Control Pipe.

Even the #3 CP and #4 IRP coupling heads are the other way around, the CP using the smaller head and the IRP uses the larger head.
  sam6778 Junior Train Controller

Location: Rockingham, WA
If PRR were lucky enough to get both an 830 & NJ, would these be able to MU?  Would the NJ also be able to MU with the NT?  Cheers
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
If PRR were lucky enough to get both an 830 & NJ, would these be able to MU?  Would the NJ also be able to MU with the NT?  Cheers
sam6778
They might be lucky to get an NJ at the rate they're going.
2 ended up in Africa to never be heard from again and ones already been scrapped here.
  Railwayfan Train Controller

Location: By a Railway
If PRR were lucky enough to get both an 830 & NJ, would these be able to MU?  Would the NJ also be able to MU with the NT?  Cheers
sam6778
Yes they definitely are able to MU. 830 derivatives and the NJs have been the mainstay of the EP division (with the exception of 1200s) for over 30 years after the NTs were cut up! However, I am unsure if an NJ and NTs can or can't. 3 NTs appeared on the Port Lincoln Division relatively briefly (I'm not sure how long) but not sure if they were mixed with the other classes. From memory, these weren't that successful over here.

They're unlikely to get one any time soon, all 3 (i.e. left at Thevenard) are still in working order and used preferably over the 830s/900s due to crew preference ect.
  Railwayfan Train Controller

Location: By a Railway
If PRR were lucky enough to get both an 830 & NJ, would these be able to MU?  Would the NJ also be able to MU with the NT?  Cheers
They might be lucky to get an NJ at the rate they're going.
2 ended up in Africa to never be heard from again and ones already been scrapped here.
lkernan
Not likely, as mentioned above all 3 still in working order and interchanged on the Gypo. The difference between NRMs 843 is that this unit has been idle for a number of years with no scope for further use in traffic or the need for use with relatively low HP. There is also no need for it to be used for parts I think with the 5 that went for scrap last year (i.e. source of parts) + 846 still in Lincoln and other still remaining in service. 850 also had some parts removed before donation to the EP rail museum.

I would hazard a guess that if an NJ, if pulled from service, would be used for parts to keep the remaining ones going than being donated ect. But I think an 830 would get pulled from service before and NJ would, considering there are 6 (3 900s at least) there currently and, as mentioned, there preference by crews. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see one just I don't think it will be any time soon (also dependent on future upgrades or changes to the next contract ect).
  NG Sulzers Deputy Commissioner

Location: Quorn
If PRR were lucky enough to get both an 830 & NJ, would these be able to MU?  Would the NJ also be able to MU with the NT?  Cheers
sam6778
I think I explained very well above why an 830 (Alco) and NJ (EMD) cannot MU with a NT (Sulzer).
  Railwayfan Train Controller

Location: By a Railway
If PRR were lucky enough to get both an 830 & NJ, would these be able to MU?  Would the NJ also be able to MU with the NT?  Cheers
I think I explained very well above why an 830 (Alco) and NJ (EMD) cannot MU with a NT (Sulzer).
NG Sulzers
Sorry mate, I hadn't read through all the posts. I just posted on the fly. I know you were replying to someone else but I too wrote about not being sure if they could MU. Cheers for information, very helpful. I've just noticed what you wrote in detail now.

Nathan
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

They might be lucky to get an NJ at the rate they're going.
2 ended up in Africa to never be heard from again and ones already been scrapped here.
lkernan
Not so

The 2 in South Africa are owned by Genrail, stored at AR&TS Cor Delfos (Pretoria).

Will probably be cannibalised for spares.

The new South Africa has a semi Marxist government (ANC), so smeg by numbers.

The importation of second hand goods is rigidly controlled.

The import regulator (ITAC) gives employment to the party faithful, and provides opportunities for the apparatchiks and cadre to indulge in a bit of corruption. The regulator is totally gormless, they accept the number painted on the cab side as the "builders" number! Do not note frame or tag numbers, and did not photograph the locos on the wharf. Number substitution has occurred. ITAC can no longer match privately imported locos with the importation paperwork.


The "Fairlift" tranche (included the NJ) arrived in January 2015, the shipment was let into the country on License. The 4 standard gauge 422 Class in the tranche were parted out and scrapped on sidings in the wharf area. Permit allows second hand goods to be sold/operated in SA, License allows scrapping, export, or rebuild for export. The government bowed to Transnet union pressure in late 2014, and has basically banned the importation of further pre owned locos.

Photos of the NJ’s periodically surface on SA foamer Facebook groups. Photos of the NJ last sighted in December 2019.

Join the Australian Locos in Africa Facebook Group
https://www.facebook.com/groups/273592623064822/
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne

Photos of the NJ’s periodically surface on SA foamer Facebook groups. Photos of the NJ last sighted in December 2019.

Join the Australian Locos in Africa Facebook Group
https://www.facebook.com/groups/273592623064822/
jmt
Thanks for the update, but i don't do Facebook.
  jmt Deputy Commissioner

Thanks for the update, but i don't do Facebook.
lkernan
Then don't make statements like "2 ended up in Africa to never be heard from again"



  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Thanks for the update, but i don't do Facebook.
Then don't make statements like "2 ended up in Africa to never be heard from again"


jmt
Gosh people take things literally around here.  
I apologise for not having the time to check the entire internet for an obscure post like you clearly did.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
'tis the season for 830s
844 is going to Steamranger, thanks to a donation by onerail.
  sam6778 Junior Train Controller

Location: Rockingham, WA
'tis the season for 830s
844 is going to Steamranger, thanks to a donation by onerail.
Dangersdan707
Good to see they're getting another one in addition to 845.
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

843 was a special 830 though it had been uprated from approx 950 Hp to 1000 Hp at some point in time so it has a bit extra up its sleeve if needed. But it could replace 801 as the BG shunter though.  801 at the moment has a fault that sometimes stops you notching it up or something like that but the fault is shown on the video of a shunt at the NRM recently. It simply would not move anything.

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