Powerhouse museum at Ultimo set to permanently close on June 30

 
  DCook Train Controller

Location: The standard state
After years of campaigns against the move, the well known Sydney powerhouse museum at Ultimo will permanently close its exhibition halls on the 30th of June with the other parts set to close soon after
It is estimated that more than 1 third of the items on display will be moved into permanent storage at Castle Hill with the rest moving to Parramata
This has got to be one of the most ignorant decisions ever made by the NSW government, not only will the Ultimo Powerhouse fall victim but so will Willow Grove and St Georges Terrace in Parramatta

RIP Ultimo Powerhouse, next up on the chopping block is the LES and White Bay power station

Several news articles
https://www.smh.com.au/national/powerhouse-museum-will-run-out-of-puff-in-parramatta-20200618-p553yc.html

https://www.smh.com.au/culture/art-and-design/powerhouse-push-slammed-as-more-pleasure-palace-than-museum-20200614-p552gy.html

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/government-barges-ahead-with-cultural-destruction-20200619-p5543a.html

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  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Hello all,

Very sadly the current run of LNP governments in NSW has a very lengthy list of atrocious decisions, far too long to individually list in this post.

Some that spring to mind are -

1.  The closure of heavy rail between Honeysuckle and Newcastle and replacement with a "Mickey Mouse" "Light Rail" (really just a tram).  Billions of dollars down the gurgler and loss of connectivity to the Newcastle CBD, in order to help developers make big profits.
2.  Decimation of the Eveleigh precinct, originally reused, but now completely decimated with no heritage links, just to allow (again) developers to make megabucks.
3.  Metroisation of the N/W rail and the Bankstown line, removing future route options, flexibility and commonality of heavy rail.  Privatisation of parts of the system at who knows what cost to taxpayers!  Megabucks for developers etc again.
4.  The greyhound fiasco which turned around and bit them in the bum (pun intended).
5.  Breaking up selling and leasing of the retail and distribution and deregulation of electricity in NSW, which allowed other entrants (eg Chinese) to buy into our markets, rip us all off and generate megabucks for offshore companies.  The resulting excessive electricity prices increasing the demise of manufacturing industries and jobs in NSW.
6.  Buying new Intercity trains and Metro rails from overseas (Korea and Spain respectively).  In order to save a few bucks at the expense of quality and serviceability.  The intercity trains do not even fit the intercity loading gauge, requiring extensive expensive modifications that may completely negate any savings.  Billions of dollars wasted again.

I have just touched the surface of the foolish decisions and mistakes.  The list is probably at least ten times longer than I have so far detailed.

Why do we have such ignorant pig headed dills running our state.

What a sorry mess!

UNhappy training,

John
  marvin Assistant Commissioner

Location: Mars... "The Earth? Oh, the Earth will be gone in just a few seconds!"
If you are thinking of visiting over the next few days, note that the Turbine Hall was closed on the 1st of June.

There appears to be limited entry (timed) restricted to two-hour blocks. Pre-bookings online are required, which also involves a guided walk-through of specific exhibits.

Make sure that you check the website first. Do not just rock up there.

After having been closed during the COVID-19 restrictions, the powers-that-be could not even leave it open for the two weeks of the NSW school holidays.

marvin
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  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

After years of campaigns against the move, the well known Sydney powerhouse museum at Ultimo will permanently close its exhibition halls on the 30th of June with the other parts set to close soon after
It is estimated that more than 1 third of the items on display will be moved into permanent storage at Castle Hill with the rest moving to Parramata
This has got to be one of the most ignorant decisions ever made by the NSW government, not only will the Ultimo Powerhouse fall victim but so will Willow Grove and St Georges Terrace in Parramatta

RIP Ultimo Powerhouse, next up on the chopping block is the LES and White Bay power station

Several news articles
https://www.smh.com.au/national/powerhouse-museum-will-run-out-of-puff-in-parramatta-20200618-p553yc.html

https://www.smh.com.au/culture/art-and-design/powerhouse-push-slammed-as-more-pleasure-palace-than-museum-20200614-p552gy.html

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/government-barges-ahead-with-cultural-destruction-20200619-p5543a.html
DCook
https://www.timeout.com/sydney/news/the-powerhouse-museums-relocation-to-parramatta-may-be-cancelled-due-to-budget-cuts-053020

https://www.smh.com.au/culture/art-and-design/new-powerhouse-museum-report-approves-loss-of-heritage-buildings-20200513-p54spd.html


Bizarre, why on earth close a functioning museum, in preparation to move to a new site when construction hasn’t commenced.
Approval has been granted for demolition of heritage buildings on site and now talk of postponing project. Smell a rat?

A cynic might conclude the site could be ripe for the picking for development, of the residential variety.
  a6et Minister for Railways

After years of campaigns against the move, the well known Sydney powerhouse museum at Ultimo will permanently close its exhibition halls on the 30th of June with the other parts set to close soon after
It is estimated that more than 1 third of the items on display will be moved into permanent storage at Castle Hill with the rest moving to Parramata
This has got to be one of the most ignorant decisions ever made by the NSW government, not only will the Ultimo Powerhouse fall victim but so will Willow Grove and St Georges Terrace in Parramatta

RIP Ultimo Powerhouse, next up on the chopping block is the LES and White Bay power station

Several news articles
https://www.smh.com.au/national/powerhouse-museum-will-run-out-of-puff-in-parramatta-20200618-p553yc.html

https://www.smh.com.au/culture/art-and-design/powerhouse-push-slammed-as-more-pleasure-palace-than-museum-20200614-p552gy.html

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/government-barges-ahead-with-cultural-destruction-20200619-p5543a.html
https://www.timeout.com/sydney/news/the-powerhouse-museums-relocation-to-parramatta-may-be-cancelled-due-to-budget-cuts-053020

https://www.smh.com.au/culture/art-and-design/new-powerhouse-museum-report-approves-loss-of-heritage-buildings-20200513-p54spd.html


Bizarre, why on earth close a functioning museum, in preparation to move to a new site when construction hasn’t commenced.
Approval has been granted for demolition of heritage buildings on site and now talk of postponing project. Smell a rat?

A cynic might conclude the site could be ripe for the picking for development, of the residential variety.
michaelgm
Bob Carr was the first to start the selling bell to sound, with the removal of much of the heritage listed workshop machinery, and nothing said, nowhere is it known to be found.

Since then, & before the Alexandria yard was closed and it was a busy yard and a primary point for interstate traffic, we had Darling Harbour go, likewise the Flemo saleyards to take the DH produce, now the connections for rail are removed so nothing there.

Back to the Eveleigh precinct.  Who allowed the selling off of the land to Channel 7 that sits at the back of the LES, along with several roads?  The LES as such was allowed to fall into disrepair and basically prevent its future use for what it was designed for, now its supposed to be the headquarters of some fancy Gladys/Smug Mug monument to get more money to build those towers for their prosterity, not prosperity as NSW will be broke by the time they have ended their time.

The carriage works across the other side of the lines, and the arts centre was another move to make the railway workshops out dated and a reason to buy overseas, so far but for how long, no one knows there is one building not yet put to the pasture of overseas interests and market dollar.

In any discussion of the Eveleigh precinct thing to remember is how many skilled workers were employed there and apprentices did their training there, with many of those housed in accommodation buildings on the western end of the Carriage works area, as at least a 100 young people came down from the bush each year to train in apprenticeships, and the state benefited from those who graduated.  

Back to Darling Harbour, and it closed down, which took away the working wharves and built a wonderful casino and other festive activities there, such wonders as large stores & warehouses were converted to high cost hotel/motel facilities, lets not forget Dairy Farmers milk depot and meat distribution building opposite the dairy, which supplied meat to the local markets.

With the Museum now no longer being a powerhouse in any way shape or form, this becomes possibly the 2nd last monument to this current government, to wit, the premier may get back into power for 4 more years with the slogan of Look at me, look at me and what I have done!! But smug mug has announced he wont be standing for re-election maybe some Gladys carratts may change his mind.

The last piece of the jigsaw comes this morning with the announcement of a timber and solar panel 40 story tower of triumph to be built over the Central - Redfern rail area. The design is mind blowing as seen in this mornings papers. It sits on an oversized show box and then slowly extends upwards and out on one side/end every so many floors, like staking packing boxes on top of each other with increasing size until like a large container at the top with terraced gardens adorning the top.

The only thing missing is likely the neon flashing signs that will rotate around the top to glorify dear old glad.
  DCook Train Controller

Location: The standard state
As evident in my first post, I am heavily against the move for several reasons
Firstly, location. Public transport and roads to Parramatta are bad enough but putting a world class museum in a floodplain is an immensely ignorant proposal.
Secondly, Heritage. Not only will most of the ultimo powerhouse have to be demolished but Willow Grove and St Georges terrace, both of which are one of a kind buildings, will have to be demolished
Thirdly, Collection. Some exhibits were put in one location that was meant to be permanent, now they will have to be pulled down. Not only will some things have to be dismantled but about 1 third of the items on display will be put in permanent storage. Such exhibits include the Central destination boards and the Whitbread engine. The F1 rocket engine from the Saturn V, the only one displayed outside of the US, will be pulled down and shipped back to the US as the Smithsonian does not support the move
Not only will some be stored but the main idea for the new museum is to have nothing on permanent display and to have exhibits periodically rotating around the museum, to even think about constantly moving something like a massive Catalina flying boat or Locomotive No 1 around a museum is an absolutely stupid idea

There is more than enough stuff at Castle Hill to fill up 3 museums the same size as the Ultimo site, why not just build a brand new one at Parramatta

I have been a frequent visitor to the Powerhouse museum for all of my life, even favoring it over the NSW Rail Museum on many occasions but will most likely never return after this act of vandalism

It is clearly visible as the perfect spot for a museum and no other spot could have the same effect that Ultimo has

Shame on you Gladys, Shame on the NSW liberal government for funding the move
  marvin Assistant Commissioner

Location: Mars... "The Earth? Oh, the Earth will be gone in just a few seconds!"
For the record...

  marvin Assistant Commissioner

Location: Mars... "The Earth? Oh, the Earth will be gone in just a few seconds!"
The Interwebz is not playing nicely with me tonight.

The above is a view of Willow Grove... to be demolished.

The concrete structure in the background is the old David Jones carpark. The Parramatta River is immediately behind that.

marvin
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  exarmidale Train Controller

“Willow Grove” was my construction site office 1989 - 1990.
A past National Treasurer of Apex was born there when it was a hospital.
  Transtopic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Yes, I agree - a clear act of vandalism.  By all means build a new museum at Parramatta, which appears to have widespread support, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater by abandoning the Powerhouse Museum site at Ultimo.  From media reports so far, it appears that the Parramatta Museum will be a totally different concept without permanent displays. It's tragic that the Daily Terror cynically tried to portray this as an East v West contest when it's far from that.

What is overlooked in all of this saga, is that the Power House Museum site in itself is an item of significant heritage value.  If it is moved to Parramatta, then it could no longer be legitimately called the "Power House Museum".  It would just be a museum by another name and bear little resemblance to the current institution.  What has astounded me, is the reported comment by Gladys Berejiklian after her brief visit to the museum, that she found it "boring".  That says it all about her shallowness and empathy for heritage values.  Would she have made the same comment if it had been established by an LNP government, rather than the previous Labor government?

There are still some challenging logistical issues in moving the museum's major exhibits to a new site in Parramatta, particularly the Boulton & Watts steam engine.  They have yet to demonstrate whether it's actually feasible, which I honestly doubt.  It was also reported in the media over the last few days that it would cost $500,000 just to move Engine No 1 into the new museum site.  If the new museum is supposedly designed for changing exhibits from its collection, then what's the point?  It appears that the design parameters for the new site at Parramatta haven't allowed for this.

I'm perplexed that the LNP government is persisting with this move, when all of the indications in the media are that they would receive more kudos if they actually abandoned this relocation of the Power House Museum and established a separate museum in Parramatta.  What is their ulterior motive?

The only hope is that a second inquiry is to be undertaken in the Legislative Council, which may bring them to their senses.
  DCook Train Controller

Location: The standard state
Unfortunately it's too late now
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
Well I'm glad I saw this old aquaintance there years ago.

Will probably not be seen again, It's so obviously boring.....

http://www.ipernity.com/doc/grahamh/album/465777
  DCook Train Controller

Location: The standard state
New reports show that the collection will be scattered around the state
https://www.smh.com.au/culture/art-and-design/powerhouse-collection-to-be-scattered-across-nsw-plans-reveal-20200624-p555sq.html
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Well I'm glad I saw this old aquaintance there years ago.

Will probably not be seen again, It's so obviously boring.....

http://www.ipernity.com/doc/grahamh/album/465777
GrahamH

How very interesting.
  TomBTR Chief Train Controller

Location: near Sydney
Well I'm glad I saw this old aquaintance there years ago.

Will probably not be seen again, It's so obviously boring.....

http://www.ipernity.com/doc/grahamh/album/465777
GrahamH
That brings back memories of working with a descendant of that beast. A real challenge to program a machine where the word width is greater than the address space. But so satisfying when a program worked.

Closing the museum is a crime. After closing the Newcastle railway I said I'd never vote for Gladys again so this closure won't change my vote. I wonder which of her developer mates will profit from the land "reuse". It won't be the taxpayer of course.
  DCook Train Controller

Location: The standard state
Now the CFMEU has placed a green ban on Willow Grove and St George's Terrace, hopefully it works
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-30/powerhouse-museum-union-supports-campaign-to-save-buildings/12405690
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

Now the CFMEU has placed a green ban on Willow Grove and St George's Terrace, hopefully it works
DCook


waste of time saving St George's Terrace all the history is gone ...
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Being a Mexican, I have probably missed some of the talk about this appalling move. Has Gladys actually come out and described any great benefit she's bringing to the NSW public by destroying one of the best museums of its type that I've seen in recent years?
  DCook Train Controller

Location: The standard state
Being a Mexican, I have probably missed some of the talk about this appalling move. Has Gladys actually come out and described any great benefit she's bringing to the NSW public by destroying one of the best museums of its type that I've seen in recent years?
Valvegear
Her reason is apparently to give western Sydney an arts and science precinct

There is enough stuff stored at castle hill to fill up 2 Ultimo sized museums, why not just build a second museum
  7334 Chief Commissioner

Location: In the workshop wondering why I started 7334 in the first place
Being a Mexican, I have probably missed some of the talk about this appalling move. Has Gladys actually come out and described any great benefit she's bringing to the NSW public by destroying one of the best museums of its type that I've seen in recent years?
Her reason is apparently to give western Sydney an arts and science precinct

There is enough stuff stored at castle hill to fill up 2 Ultimo sized museums, why not just build a second museum
DCook
Because that would not allow Gladdy and Co to flog off the current site!

That's it in a nutshell.
  marvin Assistant Commissioner

Location: Mars... "The Earth? Oh, the Earth will be gone in just a few seconds!"
SMH editorial cartoonist Cathy Wilcox nails Gladys colours to the mast...


SMH - Online Thursday, 2 July 2020.

marvin
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  georges Train Controller
  craigfitz1 Train Controller

Compromise?

Powerhouse to be split between Ultimo and Parramatta https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/powerhouse-backflip-as-ultimo-site-saved-by-berejiklian-government-20200703-p558vn.html
georges

Well......the noise grew just too great for the Premier to ignore. And it was not just coming from what she could be tempted to call 'the usual suspects'. This issue was not paying well at all among traditional North Shore and Eastern suburbs conservatives nor among what might be loosely termed the cultural elite.


Now there just needs to be some sense shown towards how to approach the new museum at Parramatta. As I see it, the two big issues yet to resolve are the impending demolition of Willowgrove  (and the terraces) and the flooding issues. The new site is awfully close to the riverbank, and even a casual observer can see that it is highly flood prone. That's gotta' be a worry regarding the safekeeping of our historical state treasures.

So, all in all, a good decision by the Premier to put a halt to the most egregious aspect of the plans to sell off the Ultimo site, but I await some sensible decisions about the Parramatta plans.
  Transtopic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Sydney
At last some sensible decision making by the Berejiklian government and credit must be given where credit is due.

I was quite astounded by the vitriol in the Daily Terror's editorial today which criticised this decision as "caving in to a noisy rabble of activists who primarily want the Powerhouse to remain simply because that's where it has always been".  Talk about being out of step!

They conveniently overlook the fact that the Powerhouse Museum site in itself is a significant heritage item and that aspect of it can't be relocated unless they also moved the buildings, which is unrealistic anyway.  The new museum at Parramatta can't be legitimately called the "Powerhouse" because it has no relevance to the new site.   Even Parramatta Council which supports the new museum acknowledged this in its submission to the EIS and suggested that it be given a different name.
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Wow, great news.

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