Shenhua coal mine about to receive mining licence?

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
A lot of worry today with the pending allocation of a mining licence to a Chinese backed company for a new coal mine.

https://www.change.org/p/urgent-stop-mining-giant-shenhua-from-destroying-indigenous-heritage-in-nsw

This mine if approved would be the largest thermal coal mine in the country.

I believe this is referring to the Watermark project?

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The mining area is outlined here and is adjacent to the rail line between Gunnedah and Breeza

  Junction box Chief Commissioner

Location: newy
Not sure Curlewis wants a big fat mine near it?
  a6et Minister for Railways

its interesting that a new mine that does not need to be brought into operation in an area of. indigenous importance, will have almost all of the area that was/is huge for agriculture and brought in large grain harvests and stock grazing, sits up the huge underground Aquifuge which provides huge amounts of water to the vast Liverpool plains towns and helps them during dry and drought spells, is in danger of being "accidently" broken through and is possibly lost for the future.

The other big aspect is several of the Hunter Valley coal mines, along with those further afield without endangering the Liverpool plains can provide the coal that will be brought out of this new project. On top of that with the high degree of Chinese investment into the mine, and with China limiting and delaying the unloading of coal ships along with other bulk products from Australia that they have the audacity to want to open another mine when it can be supplied from other mines.

Put that to the equation when over the past couple of months the Xi Jing Ping and the Chinese government announced and told the recent peoples liberation (farcical name for their governing congress) annual congress that he ordered Chinese state owned power companies, (most of the large power stations in China) to no longer buy thermal coal from Australia but only buy from local Chinese coal mines.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

its interesting that a new mine that does not need to be brought into operation in an area of. indigenous importance, will have almost all of the area that was/is huge for agriculture and brought in large grain harvests and stock grazing, sits up the huge underground Aquifuge which provides huge amounts of water to the vast Liverpool plains towns and helps them during dry and drought spells, is in danger of being "accidently" broken through and is possibly lost for the future.

The other big aspect is several of the Hunter Valley coal mines, along with those further afield without endangering the Liverpool plains can provide the coal that will be brought out of this new project. On top of that with the high degree of Chinese investment into the mine, and with China limiting and delaying the unloading of coal ships along with other bulk products from Australia that they have the audacity to want to open another mine when it can be supplied from other mines.

Put that to the equation when over the past couple of months the Xi Jing Ping and the Chinese government announced and told the recent peoples liberation (farcical name for their governing congress) annual congress that he ordered Chinese state owned power companies, (most of the large power stations in China) to no longer buy thermal coal from Australia but only buy from local Chinese coal mines.
a6et
HUGE, own goal.
Would the mine have a productive working of 20/30 years? Loss of productive land and potential aquifer destruction, the end result.

A rush to extract whatever is available before it becomes too politically sensitive/unpopular  and unprofitable.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

A lot of worry today with the pending allocation of a mining licence to a Chinese backed company for a new coal mine.

https://www.change.org/p/urgent-stop-mining-giant-shenhua-from-destroying-indigenous-heritage-in-nsw

This mine if approved would be the largest thermal coal mine in the country.

I believe this is referring to the Watermark project?
bevans

While the "largest thermal coal mine in the country" seems to get bandied around a lot these days, the 10-million tonne/annum Watermark is smaller than four of Glencore's existing thermal coal mines - Ulan, Mangoola, Clermont and Rolleston.

The largest thermal coal mine in Australia is actually Victoria's 28-million tonne/annum Loy Yang, followed by neighbouring 18-million tonne Yallourn.
  a6et Minister for Railways

its interesting that a new mine that does not need to be brought into operation in an area of. indigenous importance, will have almost all of the area that was/is huge for agriculture and brought in large grain harvests and stock grazing, sits up the huge underground Aquifuge which provides huge amounts of water to the vast Liverpool plains towns and helps them during dry and drought spells, is in danger of being "accidently" broken through and is possibly lost for the future.

The other big aspect is several of the Hunter Valley coal mines, along with those further afield without endangering the Liverpool plains can provide the coal that will be brought out of this new project. On top of that with the high degree of Chinese investment into the mine, and with China limiting and delaying the unloading of coal ships along with other bulk products from Australia that they have the audacity to want to open another mine when it can be supplied from other mines.

Put that to the equation when over the past couple of months the Xi Jing Ping and the Chinese government announced and told the recent peoples liberation (farcical name for their governing congress) annual congress that he ordered Chinese state owned power companies, (most of the large power stations in China) to no longer buy thermal coal from Australia but only buy from local Chinese coal mines.
HUGE, own goal.
Would the mine have a productive working of 20/30 years? Loss of productive land and potential aquifer destruction, the end result.

A rush to extract whatever is available before it becomes too politically sensitive/unpopular  and unprofitable.
michaelgm
Michael, not sure my post is an own goal at all.

The way that China is going on ATM is the whole point of what I have said, and the question as to why it is needed owing to the same quality of Thermal Coal is available elsewhere in existing mines that are expanding their productions, but there is also one mine in the Valley that is suspending operations for around 2 months, that being Wambo.

Yes there is a rush to open or start this mine opening or at least the primary ground work for it could be done which means destroying the usueable above the coal, then closing down.  The Chinese equation is also a big aspect as they have enough thermal coal mines in China to produce what they need and more, not forgetting the CCP/their premier telling the state owned power stations to use local coal. Maybe they believe that if they can get new mines open prior to any ongoing issues with our government in restricting the start up of new mines with Chinese invested interests in it may well be why this announcement is a shot across the bows.

Having been to China on several occassions and seeing what happens in all their mines, not just coal mines, they have no regard for rejuvenation of destroyed land from their over production from it.  They have many towns/cities that are moved and built in new locations owing to their ability to get coal and other minerals from land that is currently/previously build on.

One final point to consider is that BHP owned a larger tract of land that all but mirrored this Watermark proposal and was about to start on what was called the Caroona mining company.  They dropped that proposal as the evidence against exceeded benefits.

Aside from that, I am firmly of the belief that with the current asperations of the CCP and their so called Belt and Road policies pouring untold and unknown amounts of cash into smaller nations/countries, along with those huge cash injections is on par as to the invasions of WW2 without firing bullets or direct killing by the various armies. Already several countries in the African continent also in some on the sub continent have fallen for this, when signing up they were told of immense benefits and jobs, with them having to repay China any defaulting costs, that has happened, also most of the work to build those facilities have been carried out by Chinese labour.  When in default the China government takes over as its in the contracts and the country becomes part of the greater China scheme of things.

China has been and is still trying a lot of coercion with our Pacific Island neighbors, where does it stop and who benefits? not the islanders.  The best part of all of this is the fact that China under the World Trade and UN, agreements is still recognized as a developing country, yet has the highest amount of money in off shore deals and trade arrangements than any other country, except perhaps Russia and is stronger in many ways than the U.S.  Their increase in Military funding outstrips any other country, and how much of what they import in vital areas helps them achieve their aims?

The 99year lease of the dock near Darwin by the Chinese government really has them with a good landing and control point in this country, the only thing that is a saving grace regarding it is that our Federal government can pull the deal if there is seen to be an area of conflict or issues that would put Australia at risk.  There has been much talk about that already, owing to the growing tensions between them and Australia.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

its interesting that a new mine that does not need to be brought into operation in an area of. indigenous importance, will have almost all of the area that was/is huge for agriculture and brought in large grain harvests and stock grazing, sits up the huge underground Aquifuge which provides huge amounts of water to the vast Liverpool plains towns and helps them during dry and drought spells, is in danger of being "accidently" broken through and is possibly lost for the future.

The other big aspect is several of the Hunter Valley coal mines, along with those further afield without endangering the Liverpool plains can provide the coal that will be brought out of this new project. On top of that with the high degree of Chinese investment into the mine, and with China limiting and delaying the unloading of coal ships along with other bulk products from Australia that they have the audacity to want to open another mine when it can be supplied from other mines.

Put that to the equation when over the past couple of months the Xi Jing Ping and the Chinese government announced and told the recent peoples liberation (farcical name for their governing congress) annual congress that he ordered Chinese state owned power companies, (most of the large power stations in China) to no longer buy thermal coal from Australia but only buy from local Chinese coal mines.
HUGE, own goal.
Would the mine have a productive working of 20/30 years? Loss of productive land and potential aquifer destruction, the end result.

A rush to extract whatever is available before it becomes too politically sensitive/unpopular  and unprofitable.
Michael, not sure my post is an own goal at all.

The way that China is going on ATM is the whole point of what I have said, and the question as to why it is needed owing to the same quality of Thermal Coal is available elsewhere in existing mines that are expanding their productions, but there is also one mine in the Valley that is suspending operations for around 2 months, that being Wambo.

Yes there is a rush to open or start this mine opening or at least the primary ground work for it could be done which means destroying the usueable above the coal, then closing down.  The Chinese equation is also a big aspect as they have enough thermal coal mines in China to produce what they need and more, not forgetting the CCP/their premier telling the state owned power stations to use local coal. Maybe they believe that if they can get new mines open prior to any ongoing issues with our government in restricting the start up of new mines with Chinese invested interests in it may well be why this announcement is a shot across the bows.

Having been to China on several occassions and seeing what happens in all their mines, not just coal mines, they have no regard for rejuvenation of destroyed land from their over production from it.  They have many towns/cities that are moved and built in new locations owing to their ability to get coal and other minerals from land that is currently/previously build on.

One final point to consider is that BHP owned a larger tract of land that all but mirrored this Watermark proposal and was about to start on what was called the Caroona mining company.  They dropped that proposal as the evidence against exceeded benefits.

Aside from that, I am firmly of the belief that with the current asperations of the CCP and their so called Belt and Road policies pouring untold and unknown amounts of cash into smaller nations/countries, along with those huge cash injections is on par as to the invasions of WW2 without firing bullets or direct killing by the various armies. Already several countries in the African continent also in some on the sub continent have fallen for this, when signing up they were told of immense benefits and jobs, with them having to repay China any defaulting costs, that has happened, also most of the work to build those facilities have been carried out by Chinese labour.  When in default the China government takes over as its in the contracts and the country becomes part of the greater China scheme of things.

China has been and is still trying a lot of coercion with our Pacific Island neighbors, where does it stop and who benefits? not the islanders.  The best part of all of this is the fact that China under the World Trade and UN, agreements is still recognized as a developing country, yet has the highest amount of money in off shore deals and trade arrangements than any other country, except perhaps Russia and is stronger in many ways than the U.S.  Their increase in Military funding outstrips any other country, and how much of what they import in vital areas helps them achieve their aims?

The 99year lease of the dock near Darwin by the Chinese government really has them with a good landing and control point in this country, the only thing that is a saving grace regarding it is that our Federal government can pull the deal if there is seen to be an area of conflict or issues that would put Australia at risk.  There has been much talk about that already, owing to the growing tensions between them and Australia.
a6et
Your post isn’t an own goal, current policy is.
Agree with everything you’ve said.
  a6et Minister for Railways

its interesting that a new mine that does not need to be brought into operation in an area of. indigenous importance, will have almost all of the area that was/is huge for agriculture and brought in large grain harvests and stock grazing, sits up the huge underground Aquifuge which provides huge amounts of water to the vast Liverpool plains towns and helps them during dry and drought spells, is in danger of being "accidently" broken through and is possibly lost for the future.

The other big aspect is several of the Hunter Valley coal mines, along with those further afield without endangering the Liverpool plains can provide the coal that will be brought out of this new project. On top of that with the high degree of Chinese investment into the mine, and with China limiting and delaying the unloading of coal ships along with other bulk products from Australia that they have the audacity to want to open another mine when it can be supplied from other mines.

Put that to the equation when over the past couple of months the Xi Jing Ping and the Chinese government announced and told the recent peoples liberation (farcical name for their governing congress) annual congress that he ordered Chinese state owned power companies, (most of the large power stations in China) to no longer buy thermal coal from Australia but only buy from local Chinese coal mines.
HUGE, own goal.
Would the mine have a productive working of 20/30 years? Loss of productive land and potential aquifer destruction, the end result.

A rush to extract whatever is available before it becomes too politically sensitive/unpopular  and unprofitable.
Michael, not sure my post is an own goal at all.

The way that China is going on ATM is the whole point of what I have said, and the question as to why it is needed owing to the same quality of Thermal Coal is available elsewhere in existing mines that are expanding their productions, but there is also one mine in the Valley that is suspending operations for around 2 months, that being Wambo.

Yes there is a rush to open or start this mine opening or at least the primary ground work for it could be done which means destroying the usueable above the coal, then closing down.  The Chinese equation is also a big aspect as they have enough thermal coal mines in China to produce what they need and more, not forgetting the CCP/their premier telling the state owned power stations to use local coal. Maybe they believe that if they can get new mines open prior to any ongoing issues with our government in restricting the start up of new mines with Chinese invested interests in it may well be why this announcement is a shot across the bows.

Having been to China on several occassions and seeing what happens in all their mines, not just coal mines, they have no regard for rejuvenation of destroyed land from their over production from it.  They have many towns/cities that are moved and built in new locations owing to their ability to get coal and other minerals from land that is currently/previously build on.

One final point to consider is that BHP owned a larger tract of land that all but mirrored this Watermark proposal and was about to start on what was called the Caroona mining company.  They dropped that proposal as the evidence against exceeded benefits.

Aside from that, I am firmly of the belief that with the current asperations of the CCP and their so called Belt and Road policies pouring untold and unknown amounts of cash into smaller nations/countries, along with those huge cash injections is on par as to the invasions of WW2 without firing bullets or direct killing by the various armies. Already several countries in the African continent also in some on the sub continent have fallen for this, when signing up they were told of immense benefits and jobs, with them having to repay China any defaulting costs, that has happened, also most of the work to build those facilities have been carried out by Chinese labour.  When in default the China government takes over as its in the contracts and the country becomes part of the greater China scheme of things.

China has been and is still trying a lot of coercion with our Pacific Island neighbors, where does it stop and who benefits? not the islanders.  The best part of all of this is the fact that China under the World Trade and UN, agreements is still recognized as a developing country, yet has the highest amount of money in off shore deals and trade arrangements than any other country, except perhaps Russia and is stronger in many ways than the U.S.  Their increase in Military funding outstrips any other country, and how much of what they import in vital areas helps them achieve their aims?

The 99year lease of the dock near Darwin by the Chinese government really has them with a good landing and control point in this country, the only thing that is a saving grace regarding it is that our Federal government can pull the deal if there is seen to be an area of conflict or issues that would put Australia at risk.  There has been much talk about that already, owing to the growing tensions between them and Australia.
Your post isn’t an own goal, current policy is.
Agree with everything you’ve said.
michaelgm
Fair Nuff Michael

Thanks
  a6et Minister for Railways

its interesting that a new mine that does not need to be brought into operation in an area of. indigenous importance, will have almost all of the area that was/is huge for agriculture and brought in large grain harvests and stock grazing, sits up the huge underground Aquifuge which provides huge amounts of water to the vast Liverpool plains towns and helps them during dry and drought spells, is in danger of being "accidently" broken through and is possibly lost for the future.

The other big aspect is several of the Hunter Valley coal mines, along with those further afield without endangering the Liverpool plains can provide the coal that will be brought out of this new project. On top of that with the high degree of Chinese investment into the mine, and with China limiting and delaying the unloading of coal ships along with other bulk products from Australia that they have the audacity to want to open another mine when it can be supplied from other mines.

Put that to the equation when over the past couple of months the Xi Jing Ping and the Chinese government announced and told the recent peoples liberation (farcical name for their governing congress) annual congress that he ordered Chinese state owned power companies, (most of the large power stations in China) to no longer buy thermal coal from Australia but only buy from local Chinese coal mines.
HUGE, own goal.
Would the mine have a productive working of 20/30 years? Loss of productive land and potential aquifer destruction, the end result.

A rush to extract whatever is available before it becomes too politically sensitive/unpopular  and unprofitable.
Michael, not sure my post is an own goal at all.

The way that China is going on ATM is the whole point of what I have said, and the question as to why it is needed owing to the same quality of Thermal Coal is available elsewhere in existing mines that are expanding their productions, but there is also one mine in the Valley that is suspending operations for around 2 months, that being Wambo.

Yes there is a rush to open or start this mine opening or at least the primary ground work for it could be done which means destroying the usueable above the coal, then closing down.  The Chinese equation is also a big aspect as they have enough thermal coal mines in China to produce what they need and more, not forgetting the CCP/their premier telling the state owned power stations to use local coal. Maybe they believe that if they can get new mines open prior to any ongoing issues with our government in restricting the start up of new mines with Chinese invested interests in it may well be why this announcement is a shot across the bows.

Having been to China on several occassions and seeing what happens in all their mines, not just coal mines, they have no regard for rejuvenation of destroyed land from their over production from it.  They have many towns/cities that are moved and built in new locations owing to their ability to get coal and other minerals from land that is currently/previously build on.

One final point to consider is that BHP owned a larger tract of land that all but mirrored this Watermark proposal and was about to start on what was called the Caroona mining company.  They dropped that proposal as the evidence against exceeded benefits.

Aside from that, I am firmly of the belief that with the current asperations of the CCP and their so called Belt and Road policies pouring untold and unknown amounts of cash into smaller nations/countries, along with those huge cash injections is on par as to the invasions of WW2 without firing bullets or direct killing by the various armies. Already several countries in the African continent also in some on the sub continent have fallen for this, when signing up they were told of immense benefits and jobs, with them having to repay China any defaulting costs, that has happened, also most of the work to build those facilities have been carried out by Chinese labour.  When in default the China government takes over as its in the contracts and the country becomes part of the greater China scheme of things.

China has been and is still trying a lot of coercion with our Pacific Island neighbors, where does it stop and who benefits? not the islanders.  The best part of all of this is the fact that China under the World Trade and UN, agreements is still recognized as a developing country, yet has the highest amount of money in off shore deals and trade arrangements than any other country, except perhaps Russia and is stronger in many ways than the U.S.  Their increase in Military funding outstrips any other country, and how much of what they import in vital areas helps them achieve their aims?

The 99year lease of the dock near Darwin by the Chinese government really has them with a good landing and control point in this country, the only thing that is a saving grace regarding it is that our Federal government can pull the deal if there is seen to be an area of conflict or issues that would put Australia at risk.  There has been much talk about that already, owing to the growing tensions between them and Australia.
Your post isn’t an own goal, current policy is.
Agree with everything you’ve said.
Fair Nuff Michael

Thanks
  a6et Minister for Railways

its interesting that a new mine that does not need to be brought into operation in an area of. indigenous importance, will have almost all of the area that was/is huge for agriculture and brought in large grain harvests and stock grazing, sits up the huge underground Aquifuge which provides huge amounts of water to the vast Liverpool plains towns and helps them during dry and drought spells, is in danger of being "accidently" broken through and is possibly lost for the future.

The other big aspect is several of the Hunter Valley coal mines, along with those further afield without endangering the Liverpool plains can provide the coal that will be brought out of this new project. On top of that with the high degree of Chinese investment into the mine, and with China limiting and delaying the unloading of coal ships along with other bulk products from Australia that they have the audacity to want to open another mine when it can be supplied from other mines.

Put that to the equation when over the past couple of months the Xi Jing Ping and the Chinese government announced and told the recent peoples liberation (farcical name for their governing congress) annual congress that he ordered Chinese state owned power companies, (most of the large power stations in China) to no longer buy thermal coal from Australia but only buy from local Chinese coal mines.
HUGE, own goal.
Would the mine have a productive working of 20/30 years? Loss of productive land and potential aquifer destruction, the end result.

A rush to extract whatever is available before it becomes too politically sensitive/unpopular  and unprofitable.
Michael, not sure my post is an own goal at all.

The way that China is going on ATM is the whole point of what I have said, and the question as to why it is needed owing to the same quality of Thermal Coal is available elsewhere in existing mines that are expanding their productions, but there is also one mine in the Valley that is suspending operations for around 2 months, that being Wambo.

Yes there is a rush to open or start this mine opening or at least the primary ground work for it could be done which means destroying the usueable above the coal, then closing down.  The Chinese equation is also a big aspect as they have enough thermal coal mines in China to produce what they need and more, not forgetting the CCP/their premier telling the state owned power stations to use local coal. Maybe they believe that if they can get new mines open prior to any ongoing issues with our government in restricting the start up of new mines with Chinese invested interests in it may well be why this announcement is a shot across the bows.

Having been to China on several occassions and seeing what happens in all their mines, not just coal mines, they have no regard for rejuvenation of destroyed land from their over production from it.  They have many towns/cities that are moved and built in new locations owing to their ability to get coal and other minerals from land that is currently/previously build on.

One final point to consider is that BHP owned a larger tract of land that all but mirrored this Watermark proposal and was about to start on what was called the Caroona mining company.  They dropped that proposal as the evidence against exceeded benefits.

Aside from that, I am firmly of the belief that with the current asperations of the CCP and their so called Belt and Road policies pouring untold and unknown amounts of cash into smaller nations/countries, along with those huge cash injections is on par as to the invasions of WW2 without firing bullets or direct killing by the various armies. Already several countries in the African continent also in some on the sub continent have fallen for this, when signing up they were told of immense benefits and jobs, with them having to repay China any defaulting costs, that has happened, also most of the work to build those facilities have been carried out by Chinese labour.  When in default the China government takes over as its in the contracts and the country becomes part of the greater China scheme of things.

China has been and is still trying a lot of coercion with our Pacific Island neighbors, where does it stop and who benefits? not the islanders.  The best part of all of this is the fact that China under the World Trade and UN, agreements is still recognized as a developing country, yet has the highest amount of money in off shore deals and trade arrangements than any other country, except perhaps Russia and is stronger in many ways than the U.S.  Their increase in Military funding outstrips any other country, and how much of what they import in vital areas helps them achieve their aims?

The 99year lease of the dock near Darwin by the Chinese government really has them with a good landing and control point in this country, the only thing that is a saving grace regarding it is that our Federal government can pull the deal if there is seen to be an area of conflict or issues that would put Australia at risk.  There has been much talk about that already, owing to the growing tensions between them and Australia.
Your post isn’t an own goal, current policy is.
Agree with everything you’ve said.
Fair Nuff Michael

Thanks

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